CATHOLIC LEADERSHIP TO AQUINO:

‘Contraception is corruption’

‘Kung walang anak, walang mahirap’

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STORMING THE HEAVENS. Catholics estimated by police at around 7,000 to 10,000 brave the daylong bad weather on Saturday to attend the prayer rally at the historic Edsa Shrine spearheaded by the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines to protest the reproductive health bill, renamed responsible parenthood bill. The rally’s numbers did not add up to the organizers’ expectation of 50,000, no doubt due to the endless rain. ANDREW TADALAN

The above are only two of the quotable quotes that the Catholic leadership said on Saturday to denounce President Benigno Aquino III for supporting the reproductive health bill, saying it undermined his promise to the people to stamp out corruption.

“You heard when candidate, now President Noynoy Aquino said during his campaign, “Kung walang corrupt, walang mahirap (without corruption, there will be no poverty),”  Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas said in a message read for him by the country’s former ambassador to the Vatican, Henrietta de Villa, to thousands of Catholics at the historic Edsa Shrine who braved the rain and foul weather to protest a proposed law that would provide free contraceptives in a bid to curb population.

“My dear youth, contraception is corruption. The use of government money, taxpayers’ money to give out contraceptive pills is corruption. Contraceptive pills teach us it is all right to have sex with someone provided you are safe from babies. Babies are a nuisance,” said Villegas, whose attack on Mr. Aquino was unprecedented as he is a close friend of the President’s family, a confidante of the late President Cory Aquino whom he called “Tita Cory.”

“The use of taxpayers’ money for contraceptives is corruption,” Villegas told the protesters who were mainly dressed in red. Organizers said this was to symbolize the “martyrdom” of the unborn child.

Anti-RH bill politicians, led by Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, attended the prayer-rally. Senators Gregorio Honasan and Tito Sotto arrived to cheers from the crowd.

“We should not politicize the RH bill,” Honasan said. Asked if the Aquino administration tried to convince him and other opponents of the legislation to support it, Honasan said there were no overtures to him. “In fairness to the President, there was no partisan politics,” he said.

Show of force

The influential Catholic Church, which organized the protest, has consistently opposed various attempts to pass a reproductive health measure over the past 10 years.

The Edsa Shrine rally, which counted students, lay people and priests, was a show of force by the Church ahead of the House vote on Tuesday when representatives will decide whether to close debate on the issue and send the bill for amendments, a shortcut that will speed up its adoption.

The Mandaluyong police estimated that 7,000 people attended the mass action. The Eastern Police District said the crowd reached 10,000 in the afternoon.

The present incarnation of the bill seeks to provide universal access and information on natural and modern family methods and would encourage families to have only two children to reduce poverty. Its supporters say the bill, if carried into law, will cut down the number of mothers and babies dying at childbirth.

Abortion generation

The Church maintains that modern contraceptive methods prevent procreation, which should be the only function of sex. Should the bill pass Congress, it will produce an “abortion generation” and encourage infidelity, Villegas said.

The President came out in support of the bill in his State of the Nation Address in Congress late last month. In a statement just before Saturday’s rally, he said that in a situation where couples “are in no position to make an informed judgment, the state has the responsibility to provide.”

The proposed law would use the state-run PhilHealth insurance fund to provide birth control pills, condoms and other contraceptives for free. It would give the poor preferential access to family planning services in state hospitals, while lessons on family planning and sex education would become compulsory in schools and for couples applying for a marriage license.

The House of Representatives, dominated by Aquino supporters, is expected to pass the bill on Tuesday after failing to do so last year. But the Senate must also pass the law and has come out strongly against it.

Dagupan Archbishop Socrates Villegas. Photo from cbcpforlife.com

Church prelates said the Aquino administration seems to regard the RH bill as an easy way out of its economic troubles.

Mr. Aquino should not look at the Philippines’ burgeoning population as a problem, Villegas said. Corruption in the government is the reason for the country’s slide to poverty, he said.

“A culture of contraception looks at babies as reasons for poverty. Birth control, they say, means more food, more classrooms, more houses and better health for mothers. If more babies are the cause of poverty, are we now saying ‘Kung walang anak, walang mahirap (If there are no children, there will be no poverty)?’” Villegas said.

“We can have more classrooms, more food, more jobs if we would be less corrupt,” he said.

The Church hierarchy bristled at suggestions by the bill’s supporters that they are just a group of old men who are out of touch with the plight of women and the poor.

Manila Archbishop Luis Antonio Tagle said the Church has always been on the side of the downtrodden.

“It is not true that the Church has no compassion for the poor. If others see the poor as statistics, the Church sees them as human beings,” he said.

“The poor are not numbers,” Tagle said.

RIP to RH bill candidates

Some Church officials did not shy away from reminding lawmakers that their vote could affect their chances of victory in the next elections.

Bishop Gabriel Reyes, head of the Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, said the Church would be issuing guidelines to voters in the 2013 local elections that will tell them to choose a candidate who are pro-life.

El-Shaddai leader Mike Velarde, in his speech before the Mass, said: “Those who vote for the RH bill. You know what will happen. RIP.”

Streamers and banners hung from the walls of the shrine and from the highway railings. One of the banners read: Yes to Saved Sex, No to Safe Sex. Church officials said the availability of modern contraception methods would encourage premarital sex and erode morals.

In a message to the youth, Villegas reminded them that “contraception makes sex cheap.”

“When we teach you that contraception is corruption, we are not being insensitive to the challenge of modernity … We are just being protective of you because it can destroy you sooner than you think,” he said.

“Artificial contraception could open the door for marital infidelity and a general lowering of standards. We, your elders, plead with you. Don’t follow that path to moral corruption. Dare to be different. Dare to be better,” Villagas said.

Aiming for 50,000

Although the skies had cleared by late afternoon, the first part of the program was marked by rainshowers and fairly strong winds.

Senior Supt. Armando Bolalin, Mandaluyong chief of police who helped secure the rally area, estimated the crowd at 7,000 to 10,000 as of 2:30 p.m.

His deputy chief, Supt. Cris Landicho, also the assistant ground commander of the Mandaluyong City police deployed in the vicinity, had a more conservative estimate of 5,000 people as of the same time.

Bolalin said that had it not rained, the 50,000 crowd that the organizers were aiming for would have been met.

He expressed doubt that participants would even reach half of that figure by the end of the prayer rally, which was scheduled at 7 p.m.

The Palace legislative liaison officer merely shrugged off the presence of Enrile, Sotto and Honasan at Friday’s rally.

“We have the numbers. It’s easier to pass the RH bill in the Senate,” said Manuel Mamba, chief of the Presidential Legislative Liaison Office, which acts as a go-between between Malacañang and Congress. With reports from TJ Burgonio and Kristine Felisse Mangunay

 First posted 9:40 pm | Saturday, August 4th, 2012

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  • john_constantine

    “Those who vote for the RH bill,  you know what will happen—RIP.”  –This sounds like a threat to me.

    • reddfrog

      Those who molests children and harbor rapists, you know what will happen—RIP

    • akimaxx

      Mike Velarde, You’re a FALSE PROPHET. Sorry. 

      • john_constantine

         Lol, how? Did i make any prophesies lately?

      • john_constantine

         I don’t seem to get/understand your response.  In case you’ve missed it from the article, you will find that I only quoted a statement from the article (which is in fact by Mr. Verlarde).

      • akimaxx

        “Those who vote for the RH Bill, you know what will happen–RIP”. Velarde quoted. –This sounds like a threat to me. 

        If you composed these lines more clearer, I would understood where you’re coming from. Sorry JC.

      • john_constantine

        Perhaps it was my mistake to have assumed everybody who are commenting on the article would have read it in its entirety, thus my use of double quotes would have implied I lifted the statement directly from the article in question.  But then again, I should  write my comments more clearly  next time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Y2S7XES5KZERUIHGKQ52R2YPIU jason

    nagsalita ang di nagbabayad ng buwis..

  • john_constantine

     “Yes to Saved Sex, No to Safe Sex.”  —  So does this mean “Yes to Unprotected Sex”?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/OIV4YXLRIZLQH3ACMCCW7NRNJY Allan

    Wow naman father!

    You talk of corruption in the government but you don’t talk the corruption inside your church! 

    Father naman!!

  • panhase

    “modern contraceptives prevent procreation, which should be the only function of sexual intercourse”

    But when couples use so called natural methods, then it is also meant to prevent procreation. o what´s the difference? just because it´s modern? Then these people should also refrain from using cars, computers, fons, cameras. Even the loud speakers, which the bishops used, are modern. The glasses they are using in order to read are modern. They want only the things which are produced by nature itself? Then they should show to us how they are living.

    And they should tell their priests, who made this vow of celibacy, that the only function of sexual intercourse is procreation.

  • noypisiTED

    Bishop Soc, I’ve deep respect for you. You’re one of the handful of prelates I admire. A classmate who’s now a priest served when you were bishop of our diocese vouched on your goodness. But on this RH issue I beg to respectfully disagree with you. I guess on this particular national debate you’re mistaken and on the wrong side of history. Nonetheless, rest assured still of our highest esteem.

  • Horst Manure

    Desperate men say desperate things out of desperation.

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    With such absurd, unscientific and bigoted, almost brainless, outbursts—-it’s but a Pawn takes Bishop. . . Checkmate!

  • http://yahoo.com koy-bili

    looks like the good bishp is lacking good reasons this time … tsk tsk tsk

    • UrHONOR

      GOOD BISHOP???  salamabet!

  • Ommm

    I fully agree contraception is corruption…this practice stabs the church deeply in the heart by depriving them of future revenues for their ongoing “business of religion”….

    What actually is corrupt dear bishop is your priests living in luxury on the hilltops overlooking their following living in shanties beside dengue infested  waterways and the lies you spew about praying for their deliverance in the name of some God? they will never understand as you do neither.

    Your opposition to contraception is corruption at the highest level as you hold these poor souls to ransom for your own monetary and political ends.

    This blasphemes rhetoric these bishops speak must be their last ditch attempt to catch a ship that has already set sail. It’s quite pathetic they should attempt to twist our presidents campaign against corruption ( in the name of good), to suit their insanely archaic agenda to overpopulate this planet to serve their own wants.

    The catholic church should mark this moment as the time the Filipino people lost confidence in them. The signs are everywhere as this country moves into the modern era at last. Their redundant speeches are becoming a joke only the most uneducated savage could believe…      

    • nonato

      101% Agree ako sayo..

    • isidro c. valencia

      Let us make a dividing line in this issue for the sake of intelligent discussion. You could not mix  SUV’s, pedophile, luxury, and corruption inside the sacristy.

      The Church (composed of doctrines, authorities in the Church, lay people, and the flocks) is mandated by God to uphold morality. Why is morality involved in this issue?

      Morality is define as ” A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) and a moral is any one practice or teaching within a moral code. Unless, you have different definition, then our discussion is nothing.

      85% Catholics (let us say 20% of 80% Catholics are non-believers)  believed that morality is involved in the issue (that already comprises18M Catholics). And Atheists, Protestants, Iglesia ni Cristo, Born Again, etc comprises only 15%, that is only 13M, Of course you can reduce that figures to 30% which represents minority.

      The Church believes that abortion is against God’s commandment”thou shall not kill” (unborn).
      Medical and scientific findings (please tell me your email address and I could send such medical facts) showed that after implantation or fertilization (union of y cells and x cells), contraceptive materials such as condoms, anti pregnancy pills abort the fertilized eggs (which according to scientists “are life inside the womb) and sometimes killed mothers. 

      Let us focused on “over population myth.” The 18th century Malthusian concept” of English economist Tomas Malthus that rapid increase in population would eventually overtake the world’s food production, resulting in massive poverty, famine an widespread misery all over the world. 

      This is an argument promoted by the UN’s Planned Parenthood and US Government to fool or misled developing countries. Contrary to what these international agencies and naive advocates believed, when the world’s population has reached 7 billion people, the world is not yet populated. More than 97% of the land surface on Earth is empty. In the Philippines, over population is concentrated in cities. While Japan and Europe (quoted mostly by pseudo expert bloggers) will be facing population crises in the coming decades according to UN studies.

      The Philippines has abundant natural resources to produce food and livelihood.  We have good shorelines and fishing grounds, forests, bio diversities in faura and fauna), minerals (metallic and non metallic), and most of all educated people. Umaalis sila dahil walang jobs to offer resulting in “brain drain.” 

      In other words, mismanagement of government affairs (including corruption) has prevented us to provide better living conditions to our people. In fainess to P-Noy, he is addressing this issue.

      The  Church is promoting “natural procreation method.”  This is still part of responsible parenting.  By human law, women have “fertility and non-fertility period. The Church is encouraging government to  promote this. In the same manner we should promote “natural feeding” which is breast feeding. Many findings tell us the benefits of this natural law practice.

      The Church is also promoting “discipline” in sex activities. Yes, there are “priests” who do not practice this but that is beside the point. Huwag naman “tira ng tira kahit sa kalsada” na parang si Bantay. Kung the red flag is up” stop.

      Yesterday, August 3, the show of solidarity (I was a living witness) is a fair warning to our government authorities that they should respect the belief of Catholic Church. 

      • Ommm

         I really don’t believe we need a church to uphold moral standards. Theres millions of atheists on this planet that statistically are just as good as any religious sect out there. Search “murder rate by country” and it’s no surprise most of the highest rates are in countries predominately catholic.

        Through the ages the wars inspired by religion have killed at least a billion people. It’s more than ironic they all believe in some concept of a God?…yet kill each other  because their versions differ.

        Fact is we all know moral right from wrong from birth, it’s instinctive as in the animal kingdom. Animals don’t kill for pleasure but man does and much of it can be rooted in strict christian upbringing with associated  sin and guilt complexes.

        As for birth control lets just ask the scholars of the church where souls come from…and how many are waiting to be born into a human form…and why on earth would they want to anyway as “souls” have neither brain of physical being so how can they feel pain?…they are also unbounded by time therefore any delay isn’t appreciated. If a child is aborted won’t that soul just return and wait in the Que to be conceived again?

        So why do we have to feel we need to breed like rabbits, killing the planet we live on? Two reasons come to mind….

        When parents decide to have a child it’s not for the child’s benefit…as if there was some soul in heaven crying to get out?…no it’s for their own benefit. To give them pleasure, to fulfill the breeding instinct and to support them in old age, to name a few reasons…but all are serving the parents wants, not that suffering soul in “heaven”.

        Secondly the church needs replacements to keep stocks high for their religion business. It wants them kept as ignorant as possible for high success rates on their own breeding habits, so an environment of poverty, poor education and little opportunity ensures an optimum  crop of new souls.

        The church IS in the soul business,,,is it not?

      • isidro c. valencia

        Definitely, the business of Church is “to save soul.” Unless, someone will not believe there is no “soul” then we have no argument. 

        But if you believe there is soul, and God does exist then we can discuss intelligently using our mind.

        I can sense that you are an Atheist or you are in favor of atheist doctrine. Like most bloggers who hated Catholicism but don’t understand  fully its doctrines/teachings.

        Sometimes, you correlate “dress code in church, eating of forbidden food, manner of repentance which is not sanctioned by Church, etc) as unacceptable to their religion. Those are petty things.  

        Wrong, we Catholics bear children not for our benefit, when we get older. We procreated them because it is natural to bear children and love them.. It is unnatural, if you will use condom or pregnancy pills to abort life. 

        For predominantly Catholic countries which you equated for murder, I think reliable sources and accurate figures are needed to substantiate that claim. You can tell that to my neighbor, a Marine. 

        Regret, I don’t agree to all your arguments.

      • Ommm

        “For predominantly Catholic countries which you equated for murder, I think reliable sources and accurate figures are needed to substantiate that claim.”

        Look it up in Wiki under murder rate by country…thats where i got the info…although it doesn’t quantify these statistics by religion we all know the worst rated countries such as Honduras, El Salvador, Venezuela, Columbia,Mexico, Philippines are predominately catholic countries…by contrast the lowest homicide rates are in Arab countries…now haven’t we catholics always been conditioned to suppose they are the great evil?

        Now recall the Philippine elections where one good catholic candidate hires hit men to murder their opponents…probably praying at mass each Sunday for their successful demise…can you really claim this religion is nothing more than total hypocrites?

      • isidro c. valencia

        How many US Presidents who were Protestants who ordered the killing of millions of Jews, Germans, Iranians, Muslims, Afghanistan, ethnic tribes, Filipinos, Japanese, next are Chinese and North Koreans.

        Sad to say, they promote abortion because their “number of bullets” cannot match  the production level of babies particularly the Chinese and Muslims. 

        They are developing WMD, biological war fares to annihilate human beings who will not obey to their programs like promotion of contraception. Contraception is an American tool to silently kill human beings. That is Protestant way of thinking like you.   

    • daniboy2012

      Write it in tagalog!…pls

      • nonato

        Tama sir..Nose bleed na ba?hihihihih

    • piusa

      Unlike the government, the Church can’t throw you in jail if you refuse to pay for contraception under this bill. It is YOU who want to use VIOLENCE to force the taxpayer to pay for services they may be against. It may be a surprise to you, but Catholics do understand the problems and corruption behind this kind of practice; the Bishops are merely emphasizing this common understanding.

      If people want to buy their own contraception, then that’s their business and their conscience But if you want to throw me into prison or have thugs of the government come to my house and threaten me unless I give up my money earned through hard work to support your depopulation schemes, then we should lose our confidence in people like you. This kind of coercion is something only savages believe in.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HAPQVQNMOOCNHB54ONDGD2KSRE esther

    VILLEGAS HUSGAHAN NIYO MUNA YUNG MGA PARENG MAY ANAK NA HANGGANG NGAYON AY PINOPROTEKTAHAN PA NIYO. HANGANG NGAYON AY NAGMIMISA PA RIN AT ANG MGA ANAK PARANG NAKASANDAL SA PADER NA SINUSUPORTAHAN SA KOLEKSIYON NG SIMBAHAN. DAPAT SIGURO ANG SIMBAHAN AY MAGBAYAD NA NG BUWIS NG SA GAYON AY MATULUNGAN ANG MAHIHIRAP NA WALANG PAMPAKAIN SA KANILANG MGA ANAK. KAYO ANG NAGCOCORUPT SA ISIPAN NG BAYAN. PAREHO KAYO NI CORONAPTION NA MAY TINATAGONG BULOK.

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    Pedophilia is also corruption, of minors diba, pero some priests are guilty of these too.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

    hindi ba corruption ang kabaklaan !!!

  • nonato

    WTF!!! Here comes Padre Damaso again talking non sense things corrupting the minds of people.. Mr. President after passing the RH BILL follow it up with Religious Tax Bill.. THIS corrupt priest and religious institutions are not paying taxes and yet they are so arrogant attacking our gov’t …    

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    I suggest you walk in the shoes of a man who have so little who cannot even support his family, that he has to rely on his children to support the family, before I believe you.

    Somehow, being the secretary of Cardinal Sin, being shielded with internal church politics, and fast track promotion to Arch. Bishop at record time, kinda makes me think that….well, you do not know what you are talking about, or that, your experience about the problem is from a 2nd or 3rd point of view.

  • rolandtr

    A few decades ago Soc was our classmate in San Carlos. For all his political activism, he was a budding conservative then and a bulwark of the Church Magisterium now. The problem with this logic is that, if we do not give contraception to poor couples, we will have a society who practically is doing nothing about subsistence families who produce more children beyond their capacity to nurture. Soc, that is not corruption! That is a government who addresses a real societal problem bereft of a blind embrace of religious belief like what you have. Babies are never reason for poverty. That is so simplistic to say. More children born to subsistence couples who have no access to contraception is the sure condemnation to life of poverty! And doing nothing about that is worst than corruption. The Bishops should start to wake up to the fact that there are more and more Filipinos who do not blindly embrace their conservative doctrines. Enough of these conservative minority holding hostage government and dictating the policies of the country.

  • EOJ

    Again, utter misinformation from bishops. Sorry, I totally lost respect to you all.

    My wife had ligation last year. And there is no corruption in it.

  • GOPHILIPPINESGO

    Poor bishops, 10,000 lang nahakot nyo! Siguradong na pressure nga ang mga lawmakers.Hahaha!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

      Wala pa ngang 10,ooo. Mga 7,000 lang daw. Marami mga pari kasama mga kamag-anak at girl friends o boyfriennds.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

    wala na kasi masabi kaya kung ano ano na lang pinagsasabi. disinformation na lang ang ginagawa. akala siguro puro mangmang pa ang mga pilipino tulad noong panahon ng mga kastila. karamihan ay nakapag-aral na at alam na ang mga issues. yung mga pinagsasabi nila ay wala naman sa rh bill. corruption at kung ano ano pa. pag tulungan ang mga mamamayan ay corruption daw, pero kapag sila bigyan ng porsiyento sa pcso ay okey lang. mga hunghang.

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    Here’s a story of corruption,  Mr. Bishop.

    AN excerpt from “Beyond Belief” (copyright 2010, David Yallop, author of In God’s Name)

    “According to John Paul II and many of his bishops, “modern society” is to blame for the epidemic of sexual abuse by priests, monks, brothers and nuns of victims ranging from young boys and girls to handicapped adolescents, religious and laywomen.  But “modern society” is a catch-all phrase which means everything and nothing.  In fact, the problem of  priestly sexual abuse goes back to the second century.  When Karol Wojtyla was elected Pope in October 1978, alongside the financial corruption of the Vatican Bank, was the equally rampant moral corruption of sexual abuse within the priesthood.  Over the previous 1,800 years the “secret system” had evolved that had not eliminated the problem of sexual abuse but covered it up. Its efficiency can be gauged from the fact that before the Gauthe case in 1985/86 public allegations of sexual abuse by priests were very rare.  The exposure of a priest either in criminal or civil proceedings was simply unheard of.

    The Roman Catholic Church looked after its own, and offending clerics could not be brought  before civil courts unless special permission was obtained to do so.  The system was one that clearly had the approval of Pope John Paul II.  In 1981, after 24 years’ deliberation, the current Code of Canon Law was published and among the many changes from the previous 1917 Code, Law119 covering the need for special permission was removed. It was a decision that many of the Catholic hierarchy have since bitterly regretted   In less than two years, the floodgates had been opened.  Within a decade the cost of sexual abuse to the Roman Catholic Church at every level was devastating.  In the United States alone, since 1984 the financial cost in legal fees and awards to the sexually abused is in excess of 6 Billion Dollars (US). “

    • mad_as_Hamlet

      In 1984 the first “clergy malpractice” lawsuit in the United States by an adult woman was instigated by a Los Angeles lawyer on behalf of Rita Milla.  More than two decades of stunning revelations of sexual abuse were ushered in by one of the forgotten victims.  Like so many victims, Rita Milla was first abused by his priest while taking her confession.  Father Santiago Tamayo reached through the flimsy screen of the confessional and caressed the breasts of Rita Milla, who was sixteen and planning to become a nun.   Over the next two years he systematically set about seducing Rita.  On that first occasion he told here in the confessional that he had a secret  and as she leaned forward he opened the screen and kissed her.  By the time she was eighteen in 1979 after being repeatedly advised by the priest  “GOD WANTS YOU TO DO ALL YOU CAN TO KEEP HIS PRIESTS HAPPY. . . .IT IS YOUR DUTY”,  Rita and her confessor were having regular sexual intercourse.  Father Tamayo then began to put pressure on the younger woman to make his fellow priests at St.Philomena Church in Los Angeles happy too.  First one, then a second, then a third.  Eventually, Rita was making seven priests “happy”.  None of them took any precautions and in 1980 she became pregnant.

      Father Tamayo persuaded her to go to the Philippines to hide her pregnancy.  Her parents remained unaware and were told that she was going abroad to “study medicine”.  The group of priests gave her $450 to last seven months and told her to leave the baby in Manila.  Rita was critically ill during childbirth and nearly died of eclampsia, convulsions occurring at the end of pregnancy as a result of blood poisoning.  Her family discovered the truth and brought Rita and her baby back to Los Angeles.  This happened after Bishop Abaya in the Philippines had undertaken to give her financial assistance, not merely to cover her travelling expenses but towards the upkeep and education of the baby.  When that aid failed to materialise, Rita went to Bishop Ward in her Californian Diocese. Who was also unable to help.  It was only then that Rita and her mother filed the landmark clergy malpractice suit.  They sought to establish paternity, sue the priest and the Church for civil conspiracy, for breach of fiduciary duty, fraud, deceit and “to protect other young women from the pain and suffering caused by priests who abused their position of trust”.

      The case was dismissed by the courts who cited a one-year statutory time limitation.  When attorney Gloria Allred called a press conference in 1984 to draw attention to the case it transpired that all seven priests had vanished.  Far from following the precise steps ordered by the Vatican in such cases, the Los Angeles archdiocese had ordered all of them to leave the country and to stay abroad until further notice.  It would be  1991 before the role of the archdiocese was made public by a guilt-sricken and remorseful Father Tamayo.  Letters also confirmed that the archdiocese had regularly sent money not to Rita but to her abusers hiding in the Philippines.

      In August 2003 Rita’s baby, now the twenty-year old Jacqueline Milla, finally learned that her father was Valentine Tugade, one of the seven priests who had had sex with her mother.  This was confirmed by a court-ordered paternity test.  Tamayo, the man who had manipulated the sixteen-year-old Rita, publicly apologised to her in 1991 and admitted his role in the affair.  Nonetheless, the only financial compensation that Rita has ever received was a $20,000 trust fund set up by the Los Angeles Church in 1988 for her daughter and this was done only after Rita had finally agreed to drop a slander action against a bishop.  The Church lawyer insisted that the fund was not an admission of liability but “an act of benevolence for the child.”

      • UrHONOR

        IF this were a fact, it must make the rounds so every one can see how nasty these so called father-fathers are.  I myself am a personal witness to a priest who globetrots with a youthful female parish member, drinks like a horse and very comfortable in night clubs with girlie shows like fish to water…..and more focused on earthly matters than anything else.  I also know of one who lives a lifestyle that can very well rival that of the rich and famous, all the bells and whistles inclusive.  At mga SINUNGALING pa and mga TNL.

        ANO kaya ang masasabi ng mga pader-pader sa pangyayaring ito?  I’d copy this story and circulate it only for information and not for anything else.

      • mad_as_Hamlet

        Yes, these are known and documented facts. These hapened in the 80s.  In fact, Tugade and Tamayo were Filipino Catholic priests.  When Rita Milla came to the Philippines, Fr. Tamayo had her brought to the house of his brother, Eduardo, a doctor who lived in Laoag City.

      • UrHONOR

        How disgustingly outragerous!  I wonder where Tugade and Tamayo are now…they should be stoned to death!

  • chiefsiop

    distortion of facts! Im a devote catholic but I firmly disagree with the good bishop. The voice of the people is the voice of God. What you are saying is clearly not supported by the overwhelming numbers of Filipinos. Just read the comments you will see that filipinos have matured in deciding what is good for them.

    • maharlika27

      By this generation, voice of people is no longer the voice of God…your words is deceiving…many people say I believe in God but but never practice the the teachings of God…The devil takes the opportunity to use democracy to for the destruction of souls…Only true believers of God follow the True Words of God…Majority nowadays are being deceived by devil using democracy for destruction…True democracy is true Love in accordance of God’s Teaching…Word of God was, is and will be the same forever…There is no such as old and new or modern or unfit for a certain generation or situation or condition

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_THRU5554C2ZKBOAZYL6U4IBIXI Sam

        That’s your problem.  In your arrogance (like these
        politician bishops), you think your set of morals should be adhered to by every
        other religion in this country.  I am a RC and I follow the teachings but
        I am not arrogant like you.  I despise these politician-bishops who are so
        arrogant as to impose their will on the people. 
        Why should your beliefs and your idol politician-bishops’ be imposed on
        non-RCs???  Even for RCs alike; didn’t
        God give us free will???  We are not
        answerable to you nor your power-hungry politician bishops.  We submit only to the judgment of the
        Almighty, not to YOU nor your ilk.

      • maharlika27

        Next Post→Evil is presented as being good while good is presented as evil.
        Monday, August 22nd, 2011 @ 08:10 pm

        Download article as PDF When man questions his faith he needs to think. If he is in doubt then he must ask Me to open his eyes. If he is finding it difficult to pray he must ask Me to open his mouth. But if he won’t listen to the truth then he needs the prayer of others.My children I am deeply concerned at the way in which evil is presented as being good while good is being presented as evil. Everything in your world is back to front. For those of you without a deep devotion to Me you will be none the wiser.Actions are now being perpetrated in the world at every level of government, church and state in your name and you are oblivious to this.Bad laws are being introduced and presented to mankind as being in their best interests. This includes new regimes, medicine, foreign aid, vaccination and the preaching of new religions and other doctrines. Never has there been so much confusion amongst My children.On the surface everything is seen as being controlled and in order and in a way it is. But the only real order that exists is by the hand of those who control world events hidden in the comfort of their wicked ways behind closed doors.Do not be deceived children. You must turn to Me for help so that the wicked events planned by secretive global powers can be weakened. Your only route to real freedom is when you rekindle your faith in Me. This will happen soon, My precious children when I present myself to the world during The Warning which is getting closer and closer.I urge you to pray for those who have eyesight but who are blind to My Most Holy Word. Pray for those who persist in twisting My teachings and for My sacred servants who, through cowardice, are giving in to the demands made of them by Governments.There is only one ruler now who is in charge of the future and that is My Eternal Father, God the Creator and Maker of everything. Pay allegiance to Him above all and you will find a firm footing when moving forward on the path of truth.Your beloved saviour Jesus Christ

  • DannyGane

    Let the poor live in Catholic Church dormitories and compounds, let the priests/bishops and aspiring ones live in poor houses and compounds. VOW OF POVERTY???

  • tonyoks

    contraception = corruption???
    ano ito nursery rhyme?

    bukod sa isang malaking mis-information, dis-information, itoy maliwanag na evil’s deception and coming from the bishops’ cappo di tutti cappo, this becomes the “infallible truth…”

  • GOPHILIPPINESGO

    Bago ka manghusga sa kapwa, tingnan mo muna ang dungis sa yong mukha.

    Damaso, tigilan nyo ang mga kurakot at sexual offenses ng mga kabaru nyo at kapag nalinis nyo ang simbahan saka kayo makialam sa gobyerno at pulitika.

  • GOPHILIPPINESGO

    PRO-RH

    Angara, A. Cayetano, P. Cayetano, Defensor santiago, Drilon,
    Escudero, Guingona, Lacson, Legarda, Osmena, Pangilinan, Recto,
    Trillanes

    ANTI RH

    Arroyo, Enrile, Estrada, Honasan, Lapid, Marcos, Pimentel, Revilla, Sotto, Villar

    RH WILL PASS.

  • Filipinoflash

    Contraception is corruption. It doesnt make any sense to me. 

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    This is the only article where practically ALL of the comment are in agreement.

    I have never given so much ‘likes’ in the history of disqus.

  • jga94

    If I think the same way as Bishop Soc…then are you saying that infertile married couples DO NOT HAVE the right to have SEX….because according to you, procreation is the only function of sex….so dapat kapag may kinakasal….gawan ng test to make sure they are fertile…

    The Bill does not see babies as a disease or a problem….they see them as a responsibility…..and what’s with this abortion stuff when the bill clearly and explicitly is against abortion…even raising penalty for it….

    I have yet to hear of widespread efforts of the Church (with all its schools and resources) to disseminate and educate about natural family planning….if they really want to help the plight of women who want to space their children….

  • Lhoylhoy

    Listen to us! PASS THE RH BIL!!!

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    THE END OF THEIR WORLD
     (to be sung to the tune of “End of the World”)
     
    Why does the Church go on ruling,
    Why does a priest scare me more,
    Don’t they know it’s the end of their world,
    Cause I don’t like them anymore.
     
    Why do the priests go on telling,
    Lies about Him up above,
    Don’t they know it’s the end of their world,
    It ended when they left His love. .
     
    I wake up in the morning I hear thunder,
    And everything’s dark at the mass,
    Now I do understand, now I do understand,
    What life they want for all of us.
     
    Why do their  hearts go on cheating?
    Why do their eyes do not cry?
    Don’t they know it’s the end of their world,
    It ended with their Lie—Pro-life.
    ————

    • cogito728sum

      Mi amici, I can sleep like a babe again tonight inspite the heat.  With this beautiful and intellectually soothing lullaby, who needs Brahms?  And yes it does not emanate from the foul lips of a bishop nor his cantor but from someone who, was it Jude Fawley who said, is an independent thinker?  Keep them coming my friend, those therapeutic humours in your arsenal.  For all you know, such a lullaby is just what the prolifers need(more than I do) to usher them to early babelike slumber thus abandoning the urge to make babies.   The end result would not be “the end of the world” but the victory of the pro-choicers over the bishops.

      You’re simply amazing.  Merci beaucoup!

  • basilionisisa

    I hope PNoy is smart enough to ignore this bait from the CBCP. To ignore them is the best response. My advice to PNoy is to let the Senate decide on the Bill, there is nothing more he could do. Then, whatever happens, let the people decide come next Election. They will know who to REWARD and, more importantly, who to PUNISH!

  • bosesprobinsyano

    Corruption is indeed among the causes of poverty. But all of us, and most specially the church and media, are liable, responsible and accountable, just like the government, for the corruption around. Morality and the moral fiber of our society , are matters that the church, and media play a vital role. Prestigious schools are own by the church. A great majority of Filipinos are members of the church. The church has schools almost in every town, and has structure down to the barangays . The church and the media can influence the people with impact. The Church dont have concrete , consistent and effective programs to change the culture of corruption nor serve as model of change, reform, discipline and patriotism. Not only the dominant church, but all churches. Manny Pacquiao for instance is milked by many pastors, and INC is corrupting politicians and even the judicial system by using their votes to pressure leaders to do something in their favor. Its not bad for the church to criticize but its good or much better, to do something more than sermons or launching or lecturing, but with real spirit and for that can create real change and reform, and make good governance rule and corruption the exception.

  • innit1

    I am a catholic and I totally disagree on what the Bishop said. It does not make sense at all. RH Bill is what the poor Filipinos want. This is not about Aquino or GMA or the Catholic church. This is the plight of the Filipino masses.

    RH Bill is Pro-quality of life.

    • boypalaban

       RH Bill is what the poor Filipinos want.

      sige punta ka na sa mga squatter mamigay ka na ng condom…isama mo na rin sa bibigyan yung malapit nang mamatay sa gutom…at mga biktima ng kalamidad…o punta na!

  • rjimenez1226

    The government should start taxing the  Roman Catholic Church since they  are not contributing to the betterment of the country bhut for its damnation and poverty.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_THRU5554C2ZKBOAZYL6U4IBIXI Sam

    @Father
    Soc, alam mo Father, ang charisma ay hindi namamana.  Kahit na naging
    sidekick ka pa ni Cardinal Sin noon ay hindi automatic na pwede mo na kami
    mauto-uto.  Don’t you know that exaggerating something, even for good
    intentions, is still a SIN???? So stop making OA statements pwede ba?  Kaya lalong nauubusan ang mga Roman Catholic
    faithfuls dahil sa mga kabalastugan at yabang ninyong mga pulitikong pari
    eh.  Pwede ba, konting pakumbaba naman dyan kung mangangaral kayo???

  • http://twitter.com/panggatheart Martin

    I AM A CATHOLIC, I AM USING CONDOM AND I AM LOYAL TO MY WIFE!! I AM ALSO FOR RH BILL!!!  CONTRACEPTION IS NOT CORRUPTION. IT IS THE PRIESTS BICHOPS WHO BENEFITTED FROM CORRUPT OFFICIALS ARE CORRUPT, CHURCH NOWADAYS ARE NOW THE FOREFRONT OF CORRUPTION, SAVE WITH THE SUV’s THAT BISHOPS RECEIVED FROM CORRUPT GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. RH BILL IS NOT ABOUT MORALITY IT IS ABOUT EDUCATING PEOPLE, PROTECTING PEOPLE AND HELPING THEM TO HAVE A HEALTHY FAMILY. Can’t they see how many children are there in orphanages, how many babies are left by the church doorstep by mothers who cannot affrd to look after them. And what are they doing about it. This is one of the main reason for the RH BILL!!!!SEX is not just for procreation, it is also a biological need, KUNG MGA PARI NGA HINDI MAKATIIS NA WALANG SEX EH CONSIDERING THEY HAVE A PLEDGE OF CELIBACY!!! HYPOCRITES!!!

    • boypalaban

       baka chastity…

  • filipinaskoh

    Who said so that RH bill will encourage and promote infidelity?

    Andami  na ngang mga lalaki ang nambabae hindi pa man naa-aprubahan ang RH bill.
    Ung mga babaero hindi na nila kailangan ang RH bill, kung kaya nilang magbayad ng prostitute eh di mas kaya nilang bumili ng condom. 

  • lebabski

    i love how the absurdity of the church’s arguments against the RH Bill convinces people to agree to it instead

  • w33k3nd3r

    With this article, we are already seeing the baseless and medieval behavior of the CBCP, which is pushing more and more people away from them.

    Fear not, Pro-RH Catholics. There is only one judge of our souls and that is God. These twisted men in robes, who’ve their hypocrisy hanging all about, and destroying themselves, are in no position to degrade others. 

    Even Mike Velarde, who preaches morality, with a style as tacky as his clothing, but lives in mansions built on the foundation of the ‘faith’ of the people he deceives.

    We can commune with God elsewhere. In our hearts, without the need of a conference of crocodiles wearing fake halos.

    It is time we set ourselves free from crass religion and began following Jesus’ greatest command: to love each other.

    We do this by fighting for a bill that will provide accurate education and information to those who need it most. We do this for the love of our people and our nation, so that it may progress further and be a better help to this ailing world, and I will rest my heart in God’s name that He is happy with this.

    I’m leaving the CBCP behind. I can pray in my heart. I have my friends, family and loved ones, and with them, I know I am with God.

  • bosesprobinsyano

    The Catholic Church is talking about moral and spiritual values, while the state talks about material wealth-how to improve the economic standard of the the peope- and its true that if only will share our resources, we will have more, and we will have less if we are many. Both are correct and have reasons. The state is dealing with the flesh and the church about the spirit. The state talks about people who cant wait or control their sexual urges, but the church say people have the power and must control. The state speaks for the woman/mother and believes that the mother has the right to decide for herself, but the church speaks for the child not yet born, a one day or more fetus , who cannot speak yet, and who cannot say, mother, dont choose between you and me, just let chances takes its way. The states, is concerned about the health of its citizens, progress of the nation, and material prosperity while we are on earth, but the church speaks about the need to sacrifice on earth, for the life after. Both have separate point of view, angles, and bases. There is a way to balance things. However, the church needs to really do something better than sermons and the usual, to lead and show concrete doable and practical solutions, the church needs to really uses its muscles for the common good, for the people to believe more, and be inluenced by the church

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_THRU5554C2ZKBOAZYL6U4IBIXI Sam

    Enough of these hypocrisy please.

  • UrHONOR

    >>>Villegas said: “I know many of you my dear youth don’t believe in the Church anymore. You think the Church does not understand, that the Church is autistic: may sariling mundo.”<<<

    NOT AUTISTIC…..ANACHRONISTIC.

  • UrHONOR

    >>>contraception is corruption<<<

    PARA na ding sinabi na ang RCCH is a crime against the people.  

    Irrelevant, immaterial, and impertinent.  Basta't kikita, kahit ano ibibida.

  • filipinaskoh

    Takot na takot ang Catholic church sa “KATHANG ISIP” nilang epekto ng RH bill.

    Ito ang hindi kathang isip at kasalukuyang nagaganap:
    *madami ang mga kababaihan ang nag papa-abort
    * Madami ang mga kabataang babae ang nabubuntis dahil sa maling paniwala sa sex
    * Mga sanggol na-inabort tinatapon lang kung saan-saan
    * Mga batang nagpapakalat-kalat sa daan dahil hindi kayang arugaan ng magulang
    * mga batang namamatay sa sakit dahil sa dami nilang magkakapatid hindi na kaya pang maibili ng gamot
    *Mga nanay na buto’t balat sa pag aaruga sa mga anak, mga tatay na hindi alam kung saan kukuha ng maipapakain sa marami nilang anak.

    .

  • filipinaskoh

    The catholic Church is disseminating lies and terror among the people regarding the RH bill.

    They elude to discuss the current situation of every poor families. Yet they cannot lift not a single hand to reach the poor. They are just waiting for donations but they never donate to the poor.

  • UrHONOR

    I fully subscribe to the proposal of some of the writers here that the RCCH should be taxed.  This will tremendously help  the poor in gaining some ground in their hardship in life.  Just look at the garment and helmet worn by that church official while preaching that the church is on the side of the poor….isn’t that OBSCENE?  Anak ng may mga utang sa ina, patuloy na harap-harapang ginogoyo at pinag-loloko ang mga tao ng mga TNL na mga ito!  Contraception daw corruption…. saan kaya nag-aral ng logic ang mga erap na ito? 

    • corics

      They don’t need contraceptives… boys don’t get pregnant.

  • filipinaskoh

    The Catholic Church  feared infidelity and immorality will rise as soon as the passage of  RH bill. Isn’t it, it is the duty of the Priests, bishops and the Cardinal to teach morality and faithfulness. Then it is time for them to teach what they ought to teach, instead of gnawing of something that may not be bound to happen.

    • plankton107

      I agree with you 100%. If they want Catholics to reject abortion, contraception, sex outside marriage etc. they should be teaching Catholics why and hope that their “flock” follows these practices. The rise in numbers of acts they deem “immoral”, if or when the RH bill passes will only show these priests and bishops failing at their duties, not the state trying to promote something they define as corrupt or evil.

  • NoWorryBHappy

     “contraception is corruption”
    :
    I disagree, Your Holy Almighty.
    Contraception is a decision, a choice.SUVs bribed to the CBCP by Gloria Arroyo is CAR-ruption.

  • efriend

    Officially, we have a new political party in the Republic of the PHL – it is the Catholic Bishops Conference of the PHL. Tax Free!

     What they call as massive show of force turned out to be a massive failure. If not for the priests, nuns, seminarians, altar servers, GMA cohorts, some trapos, manangs, and some cute boys (for pedophile priests) nobody would attend this non-event.

    Let us turn the tables around. In the next election, DO NOT VOTE for those who are anti-RH!

    Here are a few things to do to participate in civil/religious disobedience:
    1. Distribute free condoms after each Sunday Mass. Do it outside the Churches which are public spaces.
    2. Do not contribute anything to the Church. If you want to help the poor, send the goods directly to them.
    3. Flood the CBCP website and other blogs with pro RH statements.

    The church has no right to meddle in the affairs of the state. they keep on preaching that contraception is evil yet they present no solution to the growing population.

    While they say that abstinence is the best contraception, they contradict themselves by preaching go forth and multiply.

    • reddfrog

      The clergymen have solutions and its quite simple: Let them run the country and we give them our blind obedience and absolute loyalty. No thinking allowed. Why? Because they think they are demi-gods who control the gates of heaven.

      Will it solve the Philippine economic problems and horrendous poverty? No. But it’s a virtue to be poor and suffer because your riches are in heaven. In the meantime, they’ll be driving around in SUV and wallowing in the lap of luxury while salivating at your children.

  • actionstar808

    This is an old topic. what i mean by “old” is that we’ve given the Roman Catholic Church (RC) enough amount or years, even decades, to pull the country up. But no, it’s quite the opposite. For the Philippines to move forward, there should be a very clear separation between RC and the State. It’s time to pass that bill.

  • Hey_Dudes

    If contraception is corruption being peddled by these hypocrites donning ruby red robes and funny hats, CBCP should arrest the millions around the world using birth control methods for engaging in corrupt practices.  What nonsense being blabbed by these hypocrites.  10,000+ people can be described ‘Massive?”  These bishops can’t even count well.

  • INQ_reader

    Contraception is corruption???
    Ignorance is corruption!!!

  • plankton107

    Well, there really is nothing wrong with the Church voicing out their opinion. They have the right to do so just like everyone else in the country. What is harmful though is the fact that people who really do have an influence on voting against the RH bill use their “faith” (through religious sources like the bible etc) for deciding on matters of the state. I think that’s really where the church and state should be separated–when the freedom of others to do what they want to do is hampered because of the personal religious preference of one or the majority. 

  • http://twitter.com/ernestonoel1 hopelovefaith

    faulty reasoning. talagang itong mga katolikong ito ay ang gagaling mag-quote out of context.  kaya pati interpretation ng bible ay mali. 

    ng sinabi to “go and multiply” it was to refer to the Abrahamic covenant that Abraham will be the father of many nations. 

    in this RH bill, the use of contraceptive is not directed to single people (simple assumption ito nitong paring Soc na ito).  rather it was directed to married and consenting adults to prevent procreation if their desire is just to enjoy sex. 

    itong mga paring katulad  nitong si Soc will pull us down para lagi tayong naghihirap na bansa.

  • Judge_Mupas

    NoyNoy Aquino, you are a spent force.

    Akala ko  ba, magaling ka?

    Bakit harap harapan kang sinusuway ng taong bayan?

    AT BAKIT ANG TAHI-TAHIMIK MO NGAYON?

    TAKOT KA BA SA MGA PARI?

    • pej1972

      10,000 taong bayan, hello!

    • Don Caparros

      HAHAHAHA

    • boypalaban

      nagsusuot pa ng condom yang panginoon mo…
      may date daw sila ni gloriarrovo…

  • John_Galt_II

    Eto nanaman ang mga damaso sa kanilang sariling interpretation! Magmula noong panahon ng kastila hanggang ngayon puro kasinungalingan pa rin! Mabuti na lang at nababawasan na ang mga uto-uto.

  • Hey_Dudes

    If these hypocrites do not want government extending help to those who want to practice family planning by providing them pills, condoms and other teaching materials, they better start helping people by giving them financial aid for every baby they make and not squeeze the people every time they pass the daily mass collection basket.  They can begin by a genuine gesture of eliminating marriage fee, baptismal fee, funeral fee and all fees collected from their schools.  That will definitely help the poor CBCP.

    • Judge_Mupas

      At bakit?

      Ang sira ulong presidente, may naitulong din ba sa taong bayan?

      • Hey_Dudes

        No amount of goodness on the part of this president – particularly not being a klepto unlike your idol GMA, will amount to anything to someone blind like you.  Perhaps you don’t even know you are acting worst than a certified nitwit.

  • reddfrog

    Apparently these clergymen are very familiar with “corruption”. And children.

  • reddfrog

    “Bolalin said that had it not rained, the 50,000 crowd that the organizers were aiming for would have been met.”

    ===> Even God is pro-RH bill.

  • GMGUERRERO

    Beautiful garment, clean elegant clothes from tax free income and properties  owned by the church.  Bishops and priests enjoy watching unwashed, dirty and hungry children in the street.
    Bishop Villegas looks well fed and happy.

  • spearheads

    Important facts desperately suppressed by PNoy’s Administration:

    1. RH Bill is a discreet way to abortion by using contraceptives which are abortifacents which are cancer-causing and the latest drugs are extremely dangerous to the both mother and fetus. An example of these drugs which the scrupulous international drug companies, who are desperately lobbying for the RH Bill, will try to sell to the government is the “ellaOne.” “Testing shows ellaOne is toxic to embryos. It also caused miscarriages in women who were found to be pregnant when taking the drug—thus its true potential to the abortion industry. They want to first get FDA approval for prescription use and later for over the counter. It’s a not-so-subtle process of trying to blur the line between abortion and contraception. And they want to make chemical abortion drugs easily accessible to anyone.  Some western countries administer these abortifacents through injections by health care clinics which are disguised as compulsory vaccinations.” That is why you read a group of nurses in one US hospital who protested this compulsory requirement for employment. How convenient it is to administer these faked vaccinations once the RH Bill is approved, isn’t it?

    2. There is no such thing as “Grants to poor countries for free.” Grants are dangled in exchange for favorable business ventures and measures or laws favorable to western businesses. That is why no less than the UN itself is spearheading this RH Bill. That is why international pharmaceutical companies are the main lobbyists of the RH Bill. Millions of dollars, not pesos, are scattered all over the bureaucracy to insure passage of the bill. Overzealous pro RH bill posters in this forum are not only yellows but have received dole outs from these scrupulous companies and some are even officers themselves who parade as honest well-meaning posters. Therefore, “Contraception is corruption.”

    3. There is no such thing as “Option or Choice” in the RH Bill. It’s just a clever spin and twisting of facts to subvert the truth. A law is a mandate or command. A command is to be strictly followed under pain of punishment. To ensure strict obedience a penal clause is provided because without a penal clause no one will follow the law. If no one will follow the RH Bill then why enact the bill in the first place? In this last question, the main purpose of the RH Bill which is for profit or gain is clear and unambiguous. In short, what makes the law mandatory is the penal clause or punishment for its violation. Second and more importantly, the administration hoodwinks us by ramming into our throats that :RH Bill is optional and no one is forced to use the abortifacent drugs disguised as contraceptives.” This logic is totally misleading and misplaced. The mandatory fact of the law does not lie on its use but on its purchase or procurement. Government funds to support the RH Bill are taxes paid by the people. In short, the people who do not want the RH Bill are forced to pay for the drugs that they don’t want to use because of its clear danger to their health and their future children.

    • pej1972

      hoy ofw ako, at ako ay pro RH Bill. Dole out ka jan, asan, ng makauwi na ako ng Pinas! Gising ka nga!

    • cato_the_younger

      Important facts beyond the grasp of herculubus’ mind:

      1. The RH Bill clearly affirms that abortion is illegal. Perhaps, it should be translated in Tagalog in the bill because clearly, Herculubus does not understand. As for contraceptives being abortifacents, how can a condom be an abortifacent when the rubber member basically prevents the man’s sperm from meeting the egg? How can the pill be an abortifacent when it prevents ovulation? As for Herculubus’ fabulous claim that abortifacents are administered here in the West as compulsory vaccination – I’ve never heard such a preposterous claim. While abortion is legal in most Western countries, forced abortion will lead the perpetrator to jail in no time at all. As for compulsory vaccination, if we follow Herculubus’ logic, what’s the point of administering a compulsory vaccination to women – is he saying that all women get pregnant at the same time or that the State just wants loves every women to have an abortion (it’s compulsory remember?). Duh!

      2. There is such a thing as grants to poor countries for free. Herculubus, if he is really socially aware by now should know that it does happen. Remember the countless floods and earthquakes and typhoons that happened in RP? Many of those grants are not tied to anything in case you did not know. As for the UN acting in behalf of the pharmaceutical companies – pure and plain bs. I’ve always thought the Vatican is a part of the UN. Enough said.

      On the other hand, if I were a grant-giving country, considering that I give money to help you out because among other things you have so much people that you can’t help yourself, despite the fact that I myself am experiencing an economic crisis, I will not be as enthusistic if you do nothing to control your numbers yet insist that I keep on subsidizing you.

      3. The stupidest claim of all. The bill never states that every Filipino will have to practice artificial contraception. No country in the world will have anything as stupid as that – after all how will the state enforce it? I’m sure Herculubus would not want some policeman checking him and his partner in the act making sure that no condom or any other equipment is being used.

      It would probably be worthwhile to remind Herculubus, that since the Roman Catholic Church sees the Bible as its Holy Book and since his position is presumable being taken in its defense, it might be good for him to be reminded of one of the tenets in the commandments – “Thou shalt not bear false witness”. Lying is false witness and it only undermines not only him but also the institution that he represents.

  • batchmatters

    Corruption is to let the poorest people have so many children they cannot feed or support. Corruption is letting them be preyed upon or used by corrupt politicians seeking office at all, mostly foul, costs. Corruption is casting a blind eye on all the corrupt and cheating practices, and dishing out lame justification like ” everybody is cheating anyway” that a CBCP chief was heard to have said then. Vote for RH now!

  • rising_phoenix40

    kasinungalingan!

  • http://twitter.com/judefawley Jude Fawley

    Roman Catholicism, Quibuloy, El Shaddai, and Eglesia ni Cristo….these are the four major brainwashers and manipulators of our minds. Filipinos need to read more books so that they would put more meat on their brain and would become an independent thinkers themselves. When time comes that Filipinos are independent thinkers, only then can true progress occurs in our country.

    • IsipPinoy

      Brainwashers and manipulators but also money making organizations.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/KISP4XFWDO7PMCBCIAG5XEYQ7M Peregrino Natividad

    Throughout the West in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the second sexual revolution was a substantial change in sexual morality and sexual behaviour. One factor in the change of values pertaining to sexual activities was the improvement of the technologies used for the control of fertility. Prime among them, at that time, was the first birth control pill.
    “The combined oral contraceptive pill (COCP), often referred to as the birth-control pill or colloquially as “the Pill”, is a birth control method that includes a combination of an estrogen (oestrogen) and a progestin (progestogen). When taken by mouth every day, these pills inhibit female fertility. They were first approved for contraceptive use in the United States in 1960, and are a very popular form of birth control. They are currently used by more than 100 million women worldwide and by almost 12 million women in the United States. Usage varies widely by country, age, education, and marital status: one third of women aged 16–49 in the United Kingdom currently use either the combined pill or a progestogen-only “minipill”, compared to only 1% of women in Japan.
    Males can also can help prevent unwanted  pregnancy of their partner (s) by using male condom. This certainly protects infection  and female pregnancy by covering the penis when it enters the  female vagina during sexual intercourse, as well as collecting the semen and preventing it from entering the vagina.  Thus the woman’s body enjoys the pleasure of sex but would not be bothered that a baby will be born which she (or her partner)can not afford to support.
    The RH bill gives greater advantages to Catholic priests who are males, like the rest of the male population, possesses strong  biological sex drives. The RH bill protects woman who may fall victim to sexual advances of any male including Catholic priests, bishops and arcbishops.
    Wearing condoms greatly reduces the chances of pregnancy. They also provide some protection against sexually transmitted infections (STIs), including HIV.
    Condom use has become widespread throughout the world, though there are whole areas of the globe where these devices are difficult to obtain. Religious opposition toward them has played a part in restricting their availability.
    However, in late 2010 the Pope appeared to modify the Catholic Church’s view on condom use.
    In an interview published in a new book, he seems to have said that it might be permissible to use a condom in order to prevent the transmission of infection.
    Various translations of this interview have appeared. The Vatican has recently tried to clarify Benedict XVI’s comments, saying he meant that the use of a condom by a man or a woman to prevent HIV transfer ‘could be an act of responsibility’, if intended to protect life.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UWISP2YXGDQ7K2SIX2GI37B2EI Darwin

    mga latak ng hih school at kolehiyo na lang nagpapari ngayon. no wonder ganyann ang pag-iisip ng liderato nila.

  • efriend

    “The use of government money, taxpayers’ money, to give out contraceptive pills is corruption”

    Oh, this hypocrite Bishop Suck Villegas, who wears Prada and drives a Strada, never failed to amuse me.

    Lest we forget, the use of government money, taxpayers’ money, to give SUVs to a select group of Bishops is clearly corruption. Where was Soc at that time?

  • EdnaSwank

    Do they know that they have benefited from the sale of contraceptives? The Vatican Bank holds a majority share of the pharmaceutical firm Serono which produces birth control pills! So, yes! Contraception is corruption! Indeed!

    • http://twitter.com/philxce Felix Evangelista

      Serono is a leading pharmaceutical in biotechonology. Here is the vision of the company “Vision: We develop innovative products to fight debilitating diseases and improve the lives of our patients. We aspire to create an environment that enables our people to excel and innovate and to contribute to the advancement of Serono as the leading company in the field of biotechnology. We are devoted to the improvement, promotion and nurturing of life.”

      And they are not selling contraceptives, instead they are selling cures for infertility and other related operations that promote life.

      As to the share of the Vatican bank, i dont have idea, hope you could share your source.

      • cato_the_younger

        The Vatican Bank was in the news again a month or two ago when its head was forced to resign because of irregularities. As far as European banking is concerned, the Vatican Bank is one of the most corrupt banking institutions – as a atter of fact, a few years back one of its former head was forced to commit suicide. 

      • EdnaSwank

        The book “In God’s Name: An Investigation on the Murder of John Paul I” by David Yallop

        There is evidence that John Paul I death was not by natural cause but by conspiracy. First, it was clear that John Paul I supported artificial contraception; Second, John Paul I was on the verge of revealing anomalies of the Vatican Bank. It’s all in the book!

  • Hey_Dudes

    If is often claimed it is easy to determine the state of health of  citizens of one country by merely looking at their teeth.  Perhaps these hypocrites aka. CBCP might want to know why majority of Filipinos have bad teeth particularly children of young age living in squalid conditions.  Do these bishops really care about the welfare of many born without glimmer of hope whatsoever or, do they merely want to collect more baptismal fees many of whom probably don’t even get baptized due to poverty.

  • cato_the_younger

    The stupidity of the pronouncements from people who do not have to face issues of raising children is so astounding. Sex only to have babies? So is the good bishop who lives in his Bishop’s palacesaying that couples should only have sex to procreate? Does that mean having sex only 3 times in your married life? As for Mike Velarde, how much government resources were wasted when his piece of land was sold at an inflated rate to the government during Erap’s time? Would that money had been better used to help the millions of poor people in the country rather than further line the pockets of the Velarde family who already rake it in from the El Shaddai faithful day in and day out – “Brader, Sister, mag-bigay kayo ng mag-bigay para kayo yumaman”. If there is any one against life, it is people who do not want Filipinos educated about sex and given the proper tools to make responsible decisions. Do you believe those hundreds of thousands of abortions in RP would have happened if more people were educated about sex (I’ve heard people say in RP before na “hindi ka mabubuntis pag ginawa ninyo ng nakatayo” or “pagkatapos ng sex, buhusan mo ang ari mo ng Coke”). It is easy to harp about life but as the incident of that poor naked child who was shown in Youtube roaming the cruel streets of Manila shows, what is more unChristian, having the means to prevent her conception or letting her be born and live such a brutish, cruel life. Such incidence of poverty are all over the country and it would be worthwhile if the good Bishops in their palatial Arzobispados would think of them once in a while everytime they issue pronouncements against RH and consort with politicians like Gloria whose unlamented administration robbed the nation of resources that those poor people the Bishops claim to love need desperately.

  • http://twitter.com/philxce Felix Evangelista

    Words from Mother Teresa on National Prayer Breakfast Washington DC, 1994 – “I know that couples have to plan their family and for that there is natural family planning.The way to plan the family is natural family planning, not contraception.In destroying the power of giving life, through contraception, a husband or wife is doing something to self. This turns the attention to self and so it destroys the gift of love in him or her. In loving, the husband and wife must turn the attention to each other as happens in natural family planning, and not to self, as happens in contraception. Once that living love is destroyed by contraception, abortion follows very easily.I also know that there are great problems in the world – that many spouses do not love each other enough to practice natural family planning. We cannot solve all the problems in the world, but let us never bring in the worst problem of all, and that is to destroy love. And this is what happens when we tell people to practice contraception and abortion.”

    • efriend

      What I do with my uterus is not anybody else’s business. That includes Mother Teresa who never bore a child.

      • http://twitter.com/philxce Felix Evangelista

        She may have never been bore a child, but she raises lots of them.

        Look at you, you sounds so liberated. I wonder if your actually a Filipino raise in the Philippines. But perhaps, your words is true, your uterus is not anybody else business, but you see we do still care, at least we care. If you don’t listen, that’s still your choice, we cannot take that away from you.

      • efriend

        Reproductive right is reproductive right whether you are in the PHL or Timbuktu. Care is appreciated but do not impose like what your hypocrite Bishops are doing now.

      • http://twitter.com/philxce Felix Evangelista

        Impose? we just express our oppossition to the bill. It is the bill that once will be approved and become the law of the Philippines, will impose mandatory requirements and funding that is very susceptible to corruption. And that’s what were opposing. Does they eally need to impose their ways. We already had the Family code. We just lack the proper implementation.

      • ajca82

        Dude, the CBCP had implied civil disobedience, are subtly campaigning for anti-rh advocates and are labeling supporters as the devil.

        If that’s not trying to force their beliefs into gov’t policies, I don’t know what is

      • efriend

        If there is anything that must be seriously implemented in this country, it is the separation of Church and State.  The Filipinos are sick and tired of meddling of Church in State affairs.  I really want this bill to pass ASAP.  Hopefully, everybody will see the Church authorities as nothing but a bunch of massive paper tigers.

    • IsipPinoy

      The Church has been preaching the natural family planning method for decades and and people just ignored it because it wasn’t effective. During that time our population problem has since gotten worse instead of better. Been there, done that. Let try something else. Pass the RH bill.

      • http://twitter.com/philxce Felix Evangelista

        So as the contraceptives are already there since the time of Marcos. Remember that the Family Planning Council of Marcos Administration was destirbuting condoms and contraceptives before and yet still the population grows but much funds went to corruption.  Therefore, Pamily planning is not the solution to poverty no matter what methods to use. Philippines has only 80-90M popolation while Japan has 120M and yet Japan is now encouraging their couples to bore more children.  By population density percentage, the Philippines only rank 45 in the Worlds, and our population is decreaing in the last 3 years. There is no way that the RH bill is justifiable. It will just means for corruption.

      • tamumd

        What an idiotic, naive comparison! Overpopulation is assessed in more than one way, FYI. From population density, to population growth rate or fertility rate, available resources/wealth, quality of life, etc. Japan could afford those 120 million people even their density is high because they’re a rich country. Everyone is pretty much in the middle class. Their government can more than adequately take care of each of their citizens. We are close to 100 million however our GDP is  not as high as Japan’s. The fact our kids had to share books in school and we cramp 100 of them in a small classroom says alot about that. If you base it only on density…well the Vatican is # 7 while Monaco #1 both are affluent states. There’s ZERO birth rate in the Vatican just for a laugh! lol. The Philippines by the way is #26 not #45. We’re alos the #12th most populous nation on this earth. The drop in birth is not unique to our country…that’s a phenomenon all over the world. Compared to our neighbors in Asia we still have the highest fertilty rate.

      • Don Caparros

        That is why the Church is preaching the natural family planning — It does not work!

    • pej1972

      Where in RH Bill that says that it tells people to abort?

      • http://twitter.com/philxce Felix Evangelista

        Where in the laws existing now that allows abortion? none, but is abortion rampant now in the Philippines? yes. How much more with RH bill when it promotes active sexual life and health care to post abortion complication. Such a big hole to the law to descreetly legalize abortion. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W4RTNUSX3BQCWCDQAA562BFC5I Lito G

        Did the RH bill promotes active sexual life? No, because most people already have active sexual life with or without the RH bill. You are inventing problem that is not part of the RH bill.

        And speaking of abortion, isn’t it already rampant long before the RH bill?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W4RTNUSX3BQCWCDQAA562BFC5I Lito G

      Did the RH bill approves “abortion”?

  • http://twitter.com/elizabethjiggy elizabeth

    mga immoral na kasi ang tao kaya di na alam kung ano ang tama o mali, kaawawa naman kayo akala ninyo di kayo mamamatay kaya ganyan kayo magsalita at magisip, kaya marami na masasama na tao dahil mga lustful at wala na marunung mga dasal, iton mga mambabatas   na ito playing God. Akala ninyo sulosyon ang pag patay ng tao para mabawasan ang poverty MGA ANIMAL KAYO!!! WAG NINYO KUPITIN ANG PERA NG BAYAN para matulugan ninyo ang mga mahihirap.

    • efriend

      Lustful? Manang, I will bet my entire retirement fund that even you and  your more lustful brothers, sisters, and cousins are currently engaging in premarital sex.

    • pej1972

      Bakit kayong mga pro RH Bill, mga utak kriminal. Biruin mo condom at pills, isipin ba naman na deadly weapon yung mga yun.

      • ajca82

        In fairness to them, anything can be a deadly weapon. So by that logic, everything is corruption; we’re living in a corrupt world!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JKECOICCSH2KBFZNQII5LGN7C4 Rose Marie

      Saan ba sa RH Bill nakasaad ang pagpatay? Have you even read it? Pineprevent nga ang mas maraming sanggol at mga babaeng namamatay ang RH Bill.  Mas maraming mamamatay sa gutom kng patuloy lumobo ang populasyon.

  • ajca82

    Reposted:For the people who do not support the bill, please post the section, article, line, or sentence you do not agree with.This will help people understand and maybe even agree with your position.Writing personal attacks, conspiracy theories, bible verses, and even misquotes just make you look like you’re blinded by authority figures, religion, or Noynoy haters.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XNBUUMFGHLCZQMA2UV7YPTKKX4 Margie

    Well sex is not only for making babies. It is also pleasure and intimacy. There are verses in the Bible that you take good care of your children and if you cannot why punish yourself of not having sex.

  • TinimbangNgunitKulang

    There are none so blind as those bishops who will not see.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LLPTRPFUTYJXKI3KJS4B2UO4LI Jim De Garman

    corruption daw sabi ng mga Bistsups… against sila sa RH bill dahil magiging konti na ang sanggol na bibinyagan, konti ang mag aaral sa university nila, konti ang ikakasal, konti ang magsisimba, konti ang donasyon, at maraming pang konti.. corruption walang malaking income, malawak ang pang amoy ng mga bistsups pagdating sa negosyo..manahimik kayo Fader Damaso.

    • IsipPinoy

       Yes, religions and cults are big business.

      • efriend

        Tax free at that!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RTCARRKPL4D2ALFHT7LPWJAA6I Issem

    where were you when gloria and company were wrecking havoc on the taxpayers’ money left and right? 

    corruption to you is only active when your church feels that it’s authority is being undermined. but when corruption is far from the church you all are silent. so what happened to the SUVs issue? not corruption,  just a donation eh? 

    if the catholic church is against corruption. then fight it in all its forms. starting at the church’s doorstep–literally.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Enlightened, educated, practical and wiser Filipinos should  pose a challenge to these hypocrites aka CBCP hierarchy, if they do not savor the idea of government doing something to improve the lives of Filipinos by managing population growth, what do they have under their robes and skirts to make the nation better? One thing sure, their expertise in blah…..blah…. and more blahs…… isn’t gonna do it.  Why not open up their treasure chest and do more than  government?

  • efriend

    Let us turn the tables around. In the next election, DO NOT VOTE for : any of the Enriles, Manong Johnny’s inveterate poodle aka Honasan, and Pepsi Paloma’s chief nemesis Tito Sotto.

  • toe13

    “The Edsa Shrine rally, which counted STUDENTS,…”
    Alam na, mga estudyante ng Catholic schools na ni-require ng schools nila.

  • Hfxwst

    How dare there  Catholic Leaders say such things – contraception is a personal choice; Bishops, get out of our bedrooms.  For a religious group who offers no solutions, and laze in their big houses writing press releases they should offer much much more – they should open their bank accounts and feed and educate the hungry children.

    Numbers at protests today were unimpressive even though uneven reporting by this paper provide an untrue picture.

  • Morskie52

    Contraception corruption? You must be joking padre. You are talking totally out of tune. Or are you hallucinating? What corruption is, in relation to this much debated subject, is the creation of unwanted babies. Parents who continually conceived unwanted children and irresponsible under age men and women who irresponsibly make babies by accident, makes the word corruption regarding this matter easily understandable to me. Yes, ignorance about contraception is corruption in itself. And what this ignorant priest is doing is corrupting the minds of their flock as he speaks. To me, contraception is just one of the many means of preventing pregnancy, let alone unwanted pregnancy. Contraception and church inspired prevention of pregnancy are the same. They are serving the same purpose. Contraception are being produced scientifically and medically with the health and the well being of the people in mind and of paramount importance. There is no moral values that are being destroyed by using contraception as a means to prevent pregnancy. This is why family planning and responsible parenthood is so important if people want to improve their lives and the lives of their children. Elements taught about virtues of family planning and responsible parenthood embraces contraception as the best way to meet this goal. Hence Reproductive Health must be given to people to benefit the country and the generations to come.

  • santosboi

    therefore arroyo’s and cohort are all contraceptives! hahaha

  • http://www.myspace.com/cocowine ngipingrabbit

    Juice ko naman itong mga taga simbahan at CBCP.  In bed sila with Gloria Pandak, sa mga kurakutan left and right, tapos corruption daw itong RH Bill.  Hello?  Buti na lang nilangaw ang rally nila.

  • ruben_bush

    Lumalabas talaga ang kulay ng mga Mitsubishops.  Miss na nila si Gloria kasi may libreng Pajero silang lahat!!!”  Sino ngayon ang corrupt???  Sino nga ba ang mga Obispong tumanggap ng mga Pajero at bayong-bayong na kwarta noong panahon no Gloria????  

  • legnasagra

    Talking of corruption while sitting with one of the most corrupt, just share the loot with the poor and you’re forgiven.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3DKZRPYBECITWLGLY4JHMBM6H4 yahoo-3DKZRPYBECITWLGLY4JHMBM6H4

    The unitive and procreative dimensions of the conjugal act of making love in sex have been the stand of the Roman Catholic Church during the Second Vatican Council and becomes the final and consistent  stand of the Roman Church documents published after the Second Vatican Council. By unitive dimension, it means that sex is the mutual expression of love between the husband and the wife; and by procreative dimension, it means that the conjugal act of making love must be open for life. The two dimensions must be present together. This is also the reason why same sex marriage is not allowed because it is not open to procreate life.

    • cato_the_younger

      So if one wants to have only 3 kids, then you only have to have sex three times? What if hindi nakabuo – did the partners concerned commit a mortal sin?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3DKZRPYBECITWLGLY4JHMBM6H4 yahoo-3DKZRPYBECITWLGLY4JHMBM6H4

        Cato, the Church is never against family planning, rather the Church glorifies it through the the use of the natural family planning method. Concretely, I’m referring to the Billing Method and the Basal Body Temperature. Billings method refers to 5-5-7 -11 or the natural monthly menstruation cycle of the woman. It is has been identified with very high probability that the egg will be released on the 14th day. Thus, to avoid ovulation, couples are not encourage to have sex on the 14th day or days closer to it. i think the natural family planning method makes sense since this was used ever since. The artificial method started in the 60’s and since then many mothers complained about many side effects, including the high incidents of cancer as one of the most serious side effects of pills.

      • doki budoki

        natural family planning method…hmmm this has the same intent with using artificial contraceptive method. the difference is the latter has more reliability.

  • Guest

    Rilihiyosong panatikong bugok talaga. Sa kaka dasalsal, iyong utak ay nasa puwet, kaya puro kabaligtaran ang isipan. Saksakan ang kahirapan kaya malakas ang korapsiyon. “Maraming nagigipit kaya sa patalim kumakapit”. Wala ng makain at matirahan, anak pa ng anak. Kabugukang sukdulan. Huwag makikinig sa mga bugok na nagsusuot ng sombrerong hugis ulo ng isda, o hugis ulo ng ahas.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/3DKZRPYBECITWLGLY4JHMBM6H4 yahoo-3DKZRPYBECITWLGLY4JHMBM6H4

    The unitive and procreative dimensions of the conjugal act of making love in sex have been the stand of the Roman Catholic Church during the Second Vatican Council and becomes the final and consistent  stand of the Roman Church documents published after the Second Vatican Council. By unitive dimension, it means that sex is the mutual expression of love between the husband and the wife; and by procreative dimension, it means that the conjugal act of making love must be open for life. The two dimensions must be present together. This is also the reason why same sex marriage is not allowed because it is not open to procreate life. Roland L. Aparece, lancmfxt@gmail.com

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7GF4ZNQFZOE4RL4DBUQB4S2SWY Gerard

      How, precisely, did the Council come up with the conclusion that sex MUST be both unitive and procreative? Di ba inimbento lang nila tapos sinabi nila na “God said so through the reflections of the members of the Council”?

      Paano yung ibang tao na iba ang pinaniniwalaan? O yung ibang tao na hindi naniniwala?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3DKZRPYBECITWLGLY4JHMBM6H4 yahoo-3DKZRPYBECITWLGLY4JHMBM6H4

        Gerard, this is not a question of religious belief. This is a question of the hierarchy of values that the people must glorify. In the realm of values, it transcends religion. If the Roman Catholic Church is very forceful about her teachings on the natural family planning method its because she wants to protect the sacredness of  life and love and the sanctity of the family life. However, this is not enforced as an absolute teaching. First, because this teaching involves scientific knowledge, second, this is not founded in the scripture but only very lately in the tradition of the Church as part of her ongoing reflection of the word of God in response to the signs of the times. approximately only 10% of the faithful are faithful to this teaching, but the Church will never stop in doing her obligation to guide the faithful. In the plain language of the Vatican II, the Church invited the faithful to have an open mind and a teachable spirit to follow her teachings. I hope this simple explanation makes sense to you.  

    • efriend

      And you think 70% of the population even care what they say in that Vatican Council ? Even Italy and Spain didn’t listen!

  • spearheads

    Mga bangag talaga itong mga dilaw na lumalait sa mga estudyanteng sumama sa rally. Kung gusto ninyong ipalusot yang RH bill ay mas kailangan ninyo ang kabataan at mga estudyante dahil sila ang gagamit nyang kabulastugan ninyo pagdating ng araw. Yong matatanda kagaya toe13 at ni PNoy ay di na kailangan, dahil illegal possession of “dead weapon” na.

    • cato_the_younger

      How many of those students are old enough to realize the complexities of adult life? How many of them has to face the reality of finding enough money in order to feed a child. How many of them know about the reality of waking up at 2:00 A.M. to feed a child and change nappies and lull a child to sleep yet be expected to be at the office at 7:00 A.M.? How many have experienced the reality of spending an hour or two going through a child’s homework after the end of a tiring day? How many of them have seen the realities of poverty first hand and visited Payatas? How many of them are even given the option in their Catholic schools to take a contrary position to official church dogma during discussions about contraception? How many of them have an honest to goodness discussion on sexuality at school or how many of them have parents who are enlightened enough to discuss sex with their children? If so many people are so against RH, why does the Church have to force the attendance of students in Catholic schools to such rallies?

  • hustlergalore

    Catholic priests are false Prophets.

    LOL

  • UrHONOR

    MAYROON pa bang mas corrupt sa RCCh?  Hahakutin ang kwarta ng mahihirap dito tapos pinamamahagi sa BOSS nila sa Vatican ang malaking porsiyento bilang frnachise fee; linilimas ang mga na-uuto nila tapos pinalalago ang nalimas sa finanacial instruments na ang kita ay hindi na kayang bilangin sa kamay; Bilyon-bilyon ang investments ng RCCh na ang kita ay sa kani-kanila  din pinamu-mudmud; maka-mahirap daw, tapos sila buhay super mayaman; pinagbabawal ang maki-apid, tapos  sila mismo ang daming queridas at nang-aabuso ng mga kabataan; aa marami pang iba.  YAN, my dear shop-shop ang CORRUPTION, not only of the body but of the mind and spirit as well.

  • hustlergalore

    Kung walang paring katoliko, walang demonyo.

    LOL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JKECOICCSH2KBFZNQII5LGN7C4 Rose Marie

    So what kung liberated si efriend?  You belong in the middle ages because you sound afraid of giving liberty to women.  Have you ever met a pregnant 33-year old woman who has 6 children who constantly refuses to have sex with her jobless husband but rapes her anyway?  I have.  RH Bill is for women like her.  To prevent men who are animals from burdening women with unwanted pregnancies.  Go grow yourself an ovary  if you still don’t get it.

    • ajca82

      This is also the same reason a divorce law is needed, which is coincidentally, also opposed by the RCC.

    • http://twitter.com/philxce Felix Evangelista

      So what kung liberated? do you want your children to grow liberated?

      There are laws that protect the rights of women’s against abuses from husband. You don’t need RH bill for that. Women’s group should be responsible for failure to educate and assist our womens of todays on their rights againts violence.

      RH bill is simply using government funds to promote active sexual life. And by the way, if your old enough to be liberated, you sould be able to afford to buy your own contraceptives and other means of healthcare.

  • IsipPinoy

    Beautiful satire version of the song. May I share it?

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/lJSFB781wJMIqKYFxbGYgB4aNas-#6f989 winky

    So when will the Philippine Catholic Church (Pwe!) start paying taxes?

    • boypalaban

       when will you start distributing condoms to those who are dying of hunger?

  • efriend

    Our Bishops are more popish than the pope. 

    Contraception can be “a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality,” the pope says.

    In 2006, the Pontifical Council for the Health Care Pastoral, led by Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragán, was asked by Benedict to report on the use of condoms as a way of combating HIV.
    “The pope is saying that if you can prevent disease, the use of condoms could be permissible.”

    • cato_the_younger

      That’s exactly my thoughts. The Bishops are apparently under the impression that if there is no RH Bill, people will stop patronizing prostitutes, people will stop having sex, and poverty and unreadiness to have kids will disappear. To them, an innocent wife getting AIDS from a wandering husband is probably just punishment.  

  • Juan1102

    NOT a lot of people will agree with Bishop Soc on this one, BUT atleast he stands for something and he sticks to it regardless of his very friendly relations with the Aquino’s. Ok lang yan, he is entitled to his opinion like any leader or citizen. Unlike yung mga congressman and senators ng Pilipinas…walang anumang stand…walang paninindigan…yung mga congressman, basta kung sino makakabigay ng pork nila, duon sila kakampi…

  • arthur1401

    Bishop said-“The use of taxpayers’ money for contraceptives is corruption,”

    May I ask Bishops-Is asking an SUV as a birthday gift from president not corruption?

    Is using the pulpit to spread lies about the supposed evil of RH bill when the intent of the bill is not what you are spreading but the oposite, is it not corruption?

    Is it not corruption when you kept silent and looked the other way while GMA and her partners-in-crime were very busy stealing the dignity of the people and the resources of the nation?

    Is it not corruption when instead of allowing the impeachment to proceed in order to right the wrong as mandated by law, you said-“it is just a waste of time”? Not contented with that, you bishops even blessed the man on trial instead of the judges who were given the sole task of rendering fair judgment, is that not corruption?

    You even said few years ago that we allow a cheat president to lead this nation because “everyone cheats anyway”. Are these words coming from a holy man or a man with screwed and rotten mind?

    Is it not corruption to keep silent when high-profile unmarried personalities announced very proudly on national TV that they are pregnant? That is your mandate bishops, to preserve morality.

    Is it not corruption to keep silent when umarried popular couples announced on national TV that they are going to boracay or US or Paris for a 1 week honeymoon? That is your mandate bishops, to preserve morality.

    Is it not corruption to give sanctuary to bishops and priests who are accused of rape, for being phidophiles? Instead of landing in jail you offer them your mansions. what a perverse attitude by supposedly holy men.
         
    To use taxes for contraceptives is to use the taxes to mitigate the uncontrolled population growth and it is not corruption. It is a fulfillment of a mandate. WHO, UNAIDS, UNFPA, the international institutions which are tasked to monitor and improve the health of the people of the world recommended the RH bill to pass. And yet, you who know nothing about science are telling us that we must sink with you. Go ahead bishops, dive into the deepest garbage. Leave us alone. we have enough of you.

    One more thing bishops-corruption can take many forms. Preventing the government from instituting reforms, including mitigating the uncontrolled population is corruption. Therefore, you bishops are more corrupt that most politicians.  

    • efriend

      Is it not corruption to keep silent when Chavit goes on national TV announcing that he met his current gf when she was 14?  Que horror. 

      To add insult to injury, these same bishops enjoy good food and wine whenever he celebrates his birthday at Baluarte Mansion.  Only fools will believe that he spends his own money for these extravagance.  And the poor people?  Let them eat cake!  Where are the Bishops?

      • arthur1401

        There’s the rub. These bishops have a wrong sense of morality. Pag sikat at mayaman ang imoral, sa bishops they are not imoral, kasi nagbibigay ng donations. these bishops are the most hypocrite people on earth.

         

    • DiarNews

      amen and amen.

  • UrHONOR

    ANO mga shop-shops…. where is thy FORCE, where is thy BIG GUNS, where is thy tiny sugar mommy ally, where is thy STING? 

    Get down from your ivory tower, take off thy fancy robes and toques, and come follow thy poor kabayans.  Live with them.  Breathe their air.  Savor their food.  Share the squalor of their shanties.  Feel and experience their hard labor.  Then and only then can you rightfully and morally say that you are one of us.  But until then, you are irrelevant. 

  • louie

    RH Bill is not only about contraception but also about education, because if you are educated you have more choices. Fr. Soc said contraception corrupts but the truth is ignorance does.

  • JOSE RIZAL

    can’t the reverends tackle this issue with the congress head on by facing the authors in a public debate? the public is very interested to hear and see the pros and cons of the bill and maybe there will be a common ground to agree on something that will promote responsible parenthood and eventually will translate to effective governance and progress.

  • IsipPinoy

    Sabi nga sa Bible ang devil sometimes nagbabaltkayong tupa at sometimes cites the Scriptures to suit his evil purpose.

  • JOSE RIZAL

    aprub widawt tinking

  • UrHONOR

    BISHOP

    BI- bisexual
    SHOP- buy or look around for goods and/or services

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GLLLMBSX5AMH3KQSHIIRQQYRGM milo go

    Even the gods did not provide e bishops the favor they need on the weather. It goes to show the impotence mother nature has on the church. The church is losing members due the hypocrisy and failure to confront poverty

  • Juan1102

    I’m appalled when people commit the fallacy of HASTY GENERALIZATION. Yes, a few bishops have been proven to have receive SUVs from PGMA, but NOT all of them. So we cant say they are all corrupt. The rest of the accusations remain a mere accusation…because one is innocent until proven guilty. Hindi lahat ng bishops or priests or nuns ay corrupt. Like in every institution, there are lemons, but not all of them. They are making a stand on what they believe is right…and like everyone else, they have a right to do that under a democracy. At the end of the day, it is us the lay people who will decide what to do.

    • efriend

      Look who’s talking.  At the end of the day, I decide what to do with my uterus. Not you laid back people.

      • Juan1102

        Just incase your minute mind cant fathom what the words “lay people” mean, LAY people means the ordinary citizens who are NOT priests, NOT nuns, NOT religious. There is a BIG and WIDE difference between “Laid back people” (which means people who take things slowly) and “lay people” (which means not part of the religious hierarchy) So yes, unless you are religious (which I doubt), you have every right to decide what to do with your uterus any time, any day because you are one of the LAY people.Thats why I said, “At the end of the day, it is us the LAY people (not laid back) who will decide what to do…” not the priest, not the nuns, not the bishops. We can take and listen to their advice but it is you (a LAY person) who will decide.

      • efriend

        One thing I am sure is I get laid with protection. I don’t know about you lay people or cafeteria Catholics.  I challenge all of you who are anti-RH to stop engaging in premarital sex.  That’s what your bible says, right?

      • Juan1102

        Oh, Im sorry. Did you get hurt because you dont know the difference between simple phrases such as “LAY PEOPLE” and “LAID BACK PEOPLE” that you had to go to the “I get laid” argument? Pahiya ka noh? And you are a LAY person yourself because I highly doubt your part of the religious structure. Comment ka kasi ng comment hindi mo iniintindi yung binabasa mo when in fact agree ako sa sinasabi mo…that you can decide whatever you want with your uterus because youre one of the LAY people (or if you want, ordinary, non-religious people). And how do you know I dont support the RH Bill? Didnt I just say at the end of the day, we LAY people (or if you want, ORDINARY non-religious People) decide whatever we want to do? My gulay, intindihin mo muna kasi yung binabasa mo bago ka makipag-argue.

      • efriend

        Of course I know the difference.  Haven’t you heard of tongue-in-cheek?  Haven’t you heard of sarcasm? Haven’t you heard of pun intended?

      • Juan1102

        And why would you use sarcasm on a person who agrees with you? Oh please…anyone who would read your arguments will know that you had no idea between the difference of “lay person” and “laid back person.” Havent you heard of the “freudian slip?” That’s exactly what you did kaya bigla kang kambyo and had to use “I get laid” argument. Be that as it may, know that I AGREE with you…i also was the one who liked your comment on Binay being audited by COA. Naaalala ko yung stand mo…if wala siyang tinatago, he should stand and be ok with scrutiny. Now that is an awesome statement

      • efriend

        Thanks for picking my brains. Nah. You don’t get it. Oh, I forgot, I should have enclosed in a parenthesis the phrase “pun intended” for you to get it.

      • Juan1102

        I do get it…I got that you had no idea what the difference between the two phrases were. Or else, on the third statement, you would have already cued that on. But you didnt and went on to the “I get laid” argument to save face. But you got cornered again so you had to cover it up again by using sarcasm oir “pun intended” as another cover. Like I said, any sane person reading your arguments would know you had no idea what those words meant.

      • jinx

        You’re right. Kung sino pa yang mga ayaw ng contraceptive, siya pa maraming kerida at anak sa labas. Malaking ka-ipokrituhan mga laid-back people.

      • Juan1102

        Now this a good sarcasm. Efriend…learn from Jinx. the sarcasm is obvious…and it is obvious jinx knows what he is talking about…

      • http://blogusvox.blogspot.com/ ApoNiLolo

        I agree. The thing kasi why “lay person” evolved to become synonymous with “church elders” was the catholic hierarchy keeps calling those who volunteer in church services as “lay men”. The congregation tuloy thought it means persons who are not priests but do ”God’s work”, which is in contrast to what the priests’ means – a person who is not an expert in theology.

      • Juan1102

        Thank you AponiLolo for proving my point about the meaning of Lay Person. Ive also read some of your posts before. You have knack for good and intelligent sarcasm. I like it.

      • TGIF_G

         Not to forget all the lay people (women & men) who dont belong to the clergy but are experts in theology because they studied it :-)

    • Don Caparros

      All bishops may not have received SUVs or favors from GMA but have you heard from them any condemnation of this immoral act? Receiving favors for turning a blind eye to corrupt and immoral acts is just as immoral and corrupt action one can do. 

      • Juan1102

        How do you know there was no condemnation from the majority of  Bishops and Clergys? I dont think they publicize it when they censure their own ranks. And they dont need to. As far as I know, they were given atleast a reprimand. Now does that make everything better? ofcourse not. However, what I am driving at here is the tendency of us Filipinos to use hasty generalization bishat just because one or a few bishops did it, everyone did it. That’s just not true.

      • efriend

        Yeah right.  You were as hasty too when you failed to figure out a “pun intended” phrase.  There is no gray area here.  Why don’t you just present yourself as either red or yellow?

      • Juan1102

        I failed to figure out the pun intended because it never existed in the first place. Infact, you yourself said “one thing im sure of is I get Laid with protection.” When people start their arguments with “All I know” or “one thing im sure of” it means youre evading the very first criticism…which in my case I was throwing at you the difference between lay person and laid back person. Since you wouldnt admit you did not know the difference, you started with “one thing Im sure of” and proceeded with your evasion. If you really knew, doon pa lang sa third thread, you would have said, no i knew it I was just being funny. But you didnt. You started it with “one thing Im sure of…” Be that as it may, here is my stand…I agree with RH bill…but my agreement to the Bill doesnt mean I believe that every bishop is corrupt or out to get me. They have a job to do (especially the really innocent clergy)…educate their flock. But the flock (or the lay person…or just for reiteration, non religious ordinary citizen) has the final say on what to do with their uterus (or balls).

      • Don Caparros

        Because there was none! No public statement from CBCP, no mention in sermons, no pastoral letter and other means of communication.  And why not publicize it?  What are they afraid of?  Silence may mean tolerating such acts.

      • Juan1102

        How do you know there was none? Have you researched? What research and whom have you interviewed? Just because it wasnt made public doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Like any other institution, they will not wash their dirty clothes infront of public. The Church does not treat itself like showbusiness does. Like any institution, censures and investigations take time and are done privately not out of fear, but respect for the institution itself. How do I know? I actually interviewed a bishop regarding this very same topic. So if your comment is based on the mere conjecture that “no information was made public,” without actual research, then it’s flawed. HOWEVER, let me assure you that I understand where youre coming from. I guess I would make the same conjecture had I not interviewed or research on this topic.

      • Don Caparros

        And that is the problem of the church if they don’t make these condemnation public.  As you mentioned in your earlier comment “the lay people will decide…”  Do many lay people get the chance to interview bishops?  Aren’t the lay people want to know their actions/decisions on very controversial issues involving their church?  And I have asked a priest on what their diocese stand on this issue and he just shrugged and shook his head.  What can one read from it?

      • Juan1102

        Firstly, a priest is not a bishop. He doesnt speak for the church. He may have shrugged it off for privacy purposes. Secondly, making condemnations public would do what? To what end will that do any good? Feel good about ourselves? We are treating the church like a government institution when they are not. There is a difference between publicizing a stand of the church and publicizing a condemnation. And if you really did your research, Soc himself said he will reserve comments until the results of their own investigation is done. He also said that if these were proven true, then these Bishops have no more moral ascendancy to remain in their posts (ANC Interview July 10, 2011) . As the Bishop I interviewed told me, they do the investigations privately, because in the end, they believe that the ultimate judge would be God. The innocence or guilt of a clergy is not based on popularity and what the people say.  If the lay people are really interested to know, they would ask questions personally. No one is really asking personally.

      • http://blogusvox.blogspot.in/ ApoNiLolo

        C’mon now. You know as well as I do that the catholic hierarchy doesn’t wash their dirty linens in public. If they do admit any wrong doing, it’s because outsiders exposed it. Why do you think cases that happened 30 or 40 years back, like sexually abusing children, took so long before the public knows about it? Because they kept it unto themselves until somebody outside their “circle” uncovered their wrongdoings.

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        No I have not heard of any such condemnation. Its obviously because those who did not receive SUV’s at the time, were and/or are, still waiting for theirs..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AYAJ4A3A7LYHK64UYBE56M7HLM ilvingz

    ON THE REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH (RH) AND FREEDOM OF INFORMATION (FOI) BILLS.

    The problem with some of us is that we define democracy by
    depriving it of its societal character and champion obtuse individualism
    instead. This is very evident in the opposition to the RH Bill. Thus,
    promiscuity and unprotected sex become symbols for masculinity and femininity, and worse still — as moral and holy — among our skirted brethren (read Roman
    Catholic Church mis-leaders) and their fellow nimrods. This also goes
    with the opposition to the FOI bill as demonstrated in the insistence to
    insert provisions like the “Right To Reply” to muddle and obfuscate the
    spirit of the proposed law.  ‘Ika nga ni Congressman Rudy Farinas:  “Palusot”!

  • http://pedestrianobserver.blogspot.com/ Political Jaywalker

    If providing for contraceptives to prevent baby factories from making babies is considered corruption because of the use of taxpayers money, what is feeding the exponentially growing poor population and unwanted babies called?

    Corruption is when someone pocketed the funds and thus adversely affected the integrity of the project. C’mon Mr. Bishops, you gays este guys can do better than that silly argumentation, LOL…….

  • Jianne Garcia

    One of the reasons why our country never moves forward is because the Catholic Church keeps on meddling with political affairs. They should just stay back. They should realize that religion and politics don’t and will never ever mix together.

    Quite frankly, I don’t find the RH bill wrong. What is the use of a large population anyway if we don’t have the resources to take care of them? It’s better that we keep our population under control. And parents also need to realize that having a lot of children yet not having the resources to give them what they need is hardly parenting at all. The RH bill is an opportunity for them to know about a thing called “family planning”.

  • http://twitter.com/verolee96 Vero Lee

    NO TO RH BILL……… COZ ITS BETTER TO MASSACRE THE PRIESTS AND BISHOPS

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W4RTNUSX3BQCWCDQAA562BFC5I Lito G

    Where is now the separation of the Church and State?

    The Church should not mingle with State affairs. It they don’t agree with RH bill then they should speak more in the church, invite families, invite youth, and teach them how to be more responsible in bringing up families, risk of pre-marital sex, etc…. The Church is now telling the people that having babies, more babies are good and according to the Church beliefs. I would say that is a very irresponsible act of the Church. Having children with no means of supporting their children is a total irresponsibility and will drive the country deeper to poverty. Poverty is obviously a source of corruption for politicians.

    I would say this group of Socrates Villegas is irresponsible and therefore they are corrupt.

    • http://blogusvox.blogspot.com/ ApoNiLolo

      Churches in Germany don’t pay taxes as well. But there’s a catch, the moment they meddle with politics or state affairs, the government automatically tax them. Why don’t we implement this kind of policy. Tingnan lang natin kung hindi tatahimik ang mga pareng yan.

      • tagalinis

         Malayong mangyari iyan habang may mga tao sa Kongreso katulad ni Tito Sotto, Enrile et al… na kokontra sa ganyang panukala!

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        I think Enrile is not necessarily opposed to the RH Bill. He is simply sending PNoy a message, and that message is – Do not mess with my car smuggling operations in Port Irene-..  

      • belairskycrapper

        ….  why should churches in germany pay taxes? workes of catholic, evangelicans
              and lutherans congregations do pay 2% church tax from their gross income…
              goverment does not in anyway or  automatically tax the church if they
              meddle in the affair of the bundestag. angela merkel will not be amused 
              of your comments. deutschland is a far cry from the philippines when it comes
              to disciplines matters at home and abroad ..

      • http://blogusvox.blogspot.com/ ApoNiLolo

        I’m talking about the Roman Catholic Church since they are the majority in Germany and I call it “churches” because there are a lot of independent dioceses around Deutschland. And yes they are rich because of what they call “Church Tax” taken from Catholic members which goes directly to the coffers of the church. These facts were explained to me by my German boss from Bavaria, a solid catholic state in the south.
        You don’t know what Merkel is thinking or how Bundestag is being run so don’t wave your intellectual pretensions at me.

      • belairskycrapper

        …. a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, pretty obvious you
        are being overshadow by your wrong interpretation. come to
        germany for correct information first hand . pretty obvious , you
        take your own intellectual issue at face value … digest the input
        and release the output … nothing more to say.

      • http://blogusvox.blogspot.in/ ApoNiLolo

        You’re right – little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but the jokes on you. You think “church tax” goes to the state? No it doesn’t. It goes to the church!

        And no, I don’t take things at face value. We were discussing how their government works and he clarify this with proof.

        Pa quote-quote ka pa ng percentage e hindi mo pala alam ang pinagsasabi mo. Dropping Merkel’s name does not help you either on your quest for intellectual sophistication. It only shows the shallowness of your cerebral capacity!

        C’mon, “reply” to my statement so I could further expose your ignorance. I’m just warming up, boy!

  • tekateka

    ANG KAPAL NG MUKHA NG BANYAGANG SIMBAHAN NA ITO…. SALOT SA LAHING PILIPINO….

  • jinx

    My goodness! The bishops’ logic on RH bill gets worse by the day.

    • http://blogusvox.blogspot.com/ ApoNiLolo

      Spot on bro. Nung una conspiracy ng mga pharma and its getting worse. Anong susunod, they’ll blame the RH bill if another natural calamity hit us?

      The sad thing is 7000 to 10,000 people believed him.

  • Alajero

    …”CONTRACEPTION IS CORRUPTION” seriously??? … i thought our Catholic bishops are sworn to honesty….this is dishonest, mislabeling of the population control issue in the Philippines….the good bishops should come up with better alternative solution before going against this pressing issue in this country….

  • Alajero

    …philippines….should address its population issue…lack of population control diminishes human value…out of control human breeding…is a moral issue…and need to be address…we want the CATHOLIC CHURCH to be part of the solution….failure of the church to come up with better alternative will further escalate the philippine situation to something more extreme…like ABORTION ISSUE ….which is unthinkable and should never be considered as part of the solution in the Phillippine context…
    ….i don’t think the CATHOLIC CHURCH have enough resources to do youth counseling and sex education…we surely need the STATE to take the cudgel and do what is good for the country…
    ….a RH bill is needed…to appropriate state funding for the program…

  • franklyn flores

    HOMOSEXUALITY IS CORRUPTION OF MIND. Binawalan silang mag asawa yan tuloy yung mga lalakeng walang interest sa babae silang nagpapari. Mga engot mga to

    • catmanjohn

      the RH Bill is not intended to promote Homosexuality. Don’t muddy the water with your fears or lies. Misrepresentation is a form of lying, and you should think about that. 

    • efriend

      Homophobia has no place in a civilized society just like in a high-level discussion regarding RH.

  • sharkbaittt

    i hope this hypocrite catholic priests gave up their riches, luxury and suvs… to feed all those hungry kids because of lack of family planning, they should not charge people for services because they give their life in serving God, i hope they stop molesting innocent kids and having affair with people who work for the church.. they should shut their mouth because from where they are standing they are nothing but ordinary people who think they are better than anyone of us! I dont have anything against catholic faith , i’m catholic myself but this is my view…

    • efriend

      The CBCP is no different from the Pharisees during Jesus’ time.

  • Camillo

    Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor, my dear bishops.

  • Alajero

    ….to deny that the philippines has a population control issue is hypocritical…to negate the RH BILL without a better alternative is irresponsible and detrimental to the future and national interest…
    …the CATHOLIC CHURCH should be part of the solution….let the STATE do their share…and let the CHURCH do theirs…but NOT BY STOPPING THE ROLE OF THE STATE ….to do ITS JOB!

  • Guest

    ngayon ko napapapag isip na tama si john lennon ng sinulat nya ang kanyang kantang imagine. 

    Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people sharing all the world  
     
    ang sarap siguro ano … 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MJFXCRSCXRWPLL42QQKSINC3AQ Mamerto

    The vast majority of Catholics are silent in their opinion about the RH-Bill.
    Why…? Because they are mostly, “All for it”…, that’s why.
    7~10,000 is too little for a much publicized “massive rally”.
    At least 200,000 or more…would be “more like it”.
    GOD BLESS the PILIPINO PEOPLE…!

    • boypalaban

       galing ng conclusion….pang engot

  • brunogiordano

    ‘Contraception is corruption’

    CBCP CORRUPT CONTRAPTION

    • boypalaban

       boploks stupidity is corruption…that’s a fact you won’t accept…TRUTH HURTS…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/P6UIWVYATJADXUBVOE55UMWVPU Daddy

    the church says,…no corruption …. do they really think there is no corruption in the church.. wow look at the vatican… what more here in the philippines

    • efriend

      The CBCP does not have the moral ascendancy to dictate to the government what is moral and immoral. They should clean up their own backyard first before facing off anyone particularly in reference to moral issues.

      The tree by its fruit you can tell if it’s good. Inside the Vatican, there is so much corruption taking place similar to what’s happening inside the Philippine Government if not worst.

      Along with that, from time to time, there are innocent people mostly children coming forward crying for justice who fell victims of sexual molestation by the priests.

  • belairskycrapper

    …..  let the church feed the HUNGRY  mouth  of hundred millions . obviously, the
           eyes of the church,  is a lot bigger than their stomach …

  • brunogiordano

     ‘Kung walang anak, walang mahirap (If there are no children, there will be no poverty)?’” Villegas said.
    KUNG WALANG OBISPO AT PARING DAMASO, HINDI SANA NAGHIRAP AT NAGHIHIRAP HANGANG NGAYON ANG PILIPINAS.

    • boypalaban

       kung walang gaya mo na uto-uto sa mga pulitiko di sana mamimihasa mangurakot ang mga yon…

  • farmerpo

     The Church maintains that modern contraceptive methods prevent
    procreation, which should be the only function of sex. Should the bill
    pass Congress, it will produce an “abortion generation” and encourage
    infidelity, Villegas said.

    How can one be so dumb? Sex is the most glorious activity God has given his creation.  It is the malicious interpretation/appreciation of sex that makes Damasos and perverts. Without sex, where will you be, good brethren?

    Humans are distinguished from animals in how they enjoy sex.  You have sex and create a child and don’t care for it, what will you be? A bishop? Think you good guys. 10000 is not representative of 6m or 10m or 70m. I am a Catholic and you don’t speak for me, you insult not only my intelligence but my faith in God.  

  • Rontabs

    Isa pa itong CBCP na nag papangap na “ALAGAD NG DIYOS”… wala naman sa gawain. Kung ginaya ninyo si Mother Theresa marami sana kayong na tulongan sa ating mamayang Pilipino na nag hihirap. Akala ko nagbabasa ng Holy Bible and mga pari pero bakit hindi nila ma intindihan ito:

    Luke 18:18-23

    [18] A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

    [19] “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good — except God alone. [20] You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'”

    [21] “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.

    [22] When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

    [23] When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth.

  • disqus_ZrxaGjUzMQ

    CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE CORRUPT AND YOU GOT  RAIN OUT  SINCE GOD HATES YOU ALL PHILIPPINE BISHOP

  • MonMayuga

    “Kung walang anak, walang mahirap,” said Lingayen Bishop Socrates Villegas in his apparent effort to discredit the Reproductive Health Bill, aping the slogan used by President Aquino during the last presidential election which aroused the sentiments of the great majority of electorate who gave him an overwhelming victory.

    Villegas is supposed to be a learned person but his use of what he said is grossly misleading, unfair and illogical. The RH Bill does not prohibit parents from procreating offsprings. It merely asks parents to practice responsible parenthood and sire only enough number of children they can well afford to feed, clothe, shelter and give a decent education.

    Villegas’ copied slogan is stupid, to put it kindly.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4JX3U33QBCPWOT2RKE3356KYAQ Bong

    sus contraception is corruption

    palibhasa kasi kaya ayaw ng mga pari ng RH bill kasi di naman nila magagamit yun, bakit kasi ang hilig makinig ng ibang pinoy sa mga pari tungkol sa RH bill: 
    bakit nasubokan na ba nila yon?, 
    may pinaggamitan na ba sila non? 
    meron ba silang sariling mga anak? 
    alam ba nila ang sitwasyon ng mga pamilyang maraming anak at tag gutom?
    —- malamang HINDI kasi di nila napagdaanan yon.

  • Rayosun

    As an American former Catholic & priest, I am delighted to see that Catholics on the other side of the world are escaping from the shackles of the R.C. church.  
    These supposedly celibate “high priests” want people to believe that they are SMARTER and MORE MORAL than the rest of the world because they alone are “pro-life” because they want every human pregnancy – not matter how unwanted, or how defomed to be carried to term – .
    That is what they taught throughout the Jewish holocaust, which wasn’t conducted by “aliens” or even pagans or atheists, but by the 98% of Germans who claimed to be either Catholic or Protestant CHRISTIANS.  
    I’ve done research that uncovered the fact that MOST of the top leadership of the Nazis were ROMAN CATHOLICS. (Google “Nazileadership” (one word).
    It was no accident that no matter how  many innocent Jews German Catholics killed, the pope and bishops insisted that they couldn’t “take sides” ( i.e. FOR the largely Protestant “allies” of the U.S., Great Britain, Canada & Australia and AGAINST the mostly Roman Catholic Nazi nations of Germany, Austria, Italy,Slovakia, & Vichy France)  and not ONE of the Catholic Nazi leadership were ever excommunicated.  

    What have these churchmen even done to have their moral preachings taken seriously? 

  • charlie_oscar

    So what do we call having babies that the parents cannot afford to take are of?

  • http://www.pulisnapogi.blogspot.com/ Pulis Na Pogi

    ang layo naman, typical plastic…

  • EOJ

    Again, utter misinformation from the damasos.

    My wife had ligation last year. And there is no corruption in it.

    By the way, your rally only showed you are the clear noisy minority on this issue. Not even the 1 million hakot of INC was able to sway the lawmakers. and your hakot was only 7,000. No wonder, you can not even convince most catholics to attend sunday mass. You damasos are miserable failures!

  • PurpleDaisy13

    Philippines is over-populated and getting out of control.  If people continue to ignore this serious problem, Philippine society will continue to crumble downhill. 

    Overpopulation is a disease that will negatively affect a country.

    More people means less jobs for people.
    Less jobs for people means more poor people.
    More poor people means more suffering.
    More people suffering means more people will resort to crime to survive.
    More crime means more lawlessness, more evil, and more chaos.

    More lawlessness, more evil, and more chaos means the destruction and the end of Philippine society and civilization that started from within.  Caused by a disease that the people of it’s own country could not cure for their own benefit: Overpopulation.

    • teekaye2

       I agree people who are starving will resort to crime just to stay allive, extreme poverty will  cause people to do things they know are wrong ,but the will to live overcomes their conscience

    • IanAlera

      PULPOL DAISY

      PTANG INA MO> BOBO

  • brunogiordano

    “RIP to RH bill candidates”

    kung nais ng mga OBISPO ng brasohan (no holds barred) away ayos!!!!

    ‘yong mga congressman na kontra sa RH ay huwag isama sa ticket ng adminstration at i-delay ang kanilang PORKS.

    SIGURADO ang next move ng mga OBISPO ay MAG-IYAKAN at magsisigawan ng FOUL.

    WELL, ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR.

  • laudkendaya

    ayaw ng mga pari RH Bill kasi ayaw nila gumamit ng condom….kayo ba pakanin ng kending may balat, malasahan mo kaya?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHU6HNDR4NDTAJUFZSJS7BKNQ DontJUDGEmeIMnotABooK

    Sa lahat ng PRO-RH BILL huwag tayo masayang ng Laway…mapapasa rin ang Bill na yan at palagi tayo panalo… kahit di man pumasa yan… nan dyan parin ang CONDOM at ibat-ibang klaseng gamot…kaya hindi nila mapipigilan ang ating Kaligayahan…at Kung Kasalanan man yon para sa kanila? Karapatan natin yon kung gusto natin magkasala! PAKI NILA! hindi naman sila ang mapupunta sa impyerno kung meron man..hahaha!

  • browndarwinian

    The title should have been “Charlatans with corrupted minds”.

    As the great physicist Steven Weinberg very aptly put it, “In the ordinary moral universe the good will do the best they can, the worst will do the worst they can, but if you want to make good people do and say wicked things, you need religion.” -Hitch

  • Oliver82

    Problem will never be solved without a single step. This is just the start of many reforms that open the eyes of youth of what is the reality concerning growing population. I salute to the brave Lawmakers who think about the future by passing this Bill even if his/her public trust will go down due to unpopular support for RH Bill against the Church. People has there own choice if they want too, no one can dictate you what you will do even it’s Government or Church people.

  • pinoy917

    Kapal ng mukha nyo to say contraception is corruption! Kayong mga Damaso sa simbahan ang sumusuway sa utos ng Diyos sa procreation. Isinasaayos lang ng gobyerno ang kinabukasan ng mahihirap na pamilya. Hayaan nyo na ang mga halal ng taongbayan ang magdesisyon dyan. Mga obispo at Velarde, magbilang na lang kayo ng mga donasyon sa bulsa nyo sa sulok ng inyong mga palasyo dahil wala naman kayong natutulungan na pamilyang naghihirap sa dami ng anak.

  • pinoy917

    Dati sa simbahan isang beses lang ang paghingi ng abuloy, ngayon, 2 hanggang 3 pa minsan sa loob ng isang misa. That is CORRUPTION!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/75LEIXTKTW7EAYAMOUJK7SKCSY Nick Cabagte

    These people who are against responsible parenthood are hypocrites! 

    Shame on these leaders who do nothing to give shelter to the so many street children in the areas of Bagong Silang and Camarin, Caloocan City. Everyday they are seen sleeping on footbridge and by the side of 711 store. 

    Shame on these people who always oppose but do not propose any solution to the problems of growing population and employment!

  • juancrossofthe

    ito ang Hirap sa mga padre damaso … panay ang complain na kasalanan ang family planning ( di ko sinasama ang abortion – talaga murder ito) pero ANO ANG GINAGAWA NINYO SA MGA BATANG GALING SA MALAKING PAMILYA???…BUTI SANA KONG MGA DI KAYANG ALAGAAN NA BATA AY KUKUNIN AT SILA ANG MAGPAPALAKI…pero hanggang salita lamang..kulang sa tulong… MAS CORRUPT pag ang mga anak ay hindi maibigay ang magandang kabuhayan.. Mas binibigyan pa halaga ang collection tuwing may misa… Devouted na Catholic ako pero sorry ..mga PADRES di ninyo naman ako matutulungan magpalaki sa mga anak ko… Buti pa kayo buhay maharlika sa pera ng mga TAO at minsan may pamilya pa na sinusuportahan na nag-aaral sa exclusive schools…

  • josephu777

    This is one reason why I am no longer a catholic. The priests are liars.

    • teekaye2

       Some but not all thank goodness

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHU6HNDR4NDTAJUFZSJS7BKNQ DontJUDGEmeIMnotABooK

    I remember the movie SCHINDLER’S LIST…:))

  • al ma

    Our neighbor have 5 kids, in the span of 6 years. The father receive above the minimum salary, while the mother takes care of the kids at home. They rent and live in the 12 sqm space. The older kids need to fend for themselves while the mother takes care of the youngest. When we arrive home, the kids are very happy and eager to received any kind of pasalubong and food. The thing is, the husband and wife mentioned that it is ok to have many kids at makakaraos din at may awa ang diyos.
    This rocks me to the core of my consious mind… how our Beloved God can help them, if they continue to have more kids which they can barely support? paano na ang pagaaral ng mga bata.. and basic needs? I’m sure they will survive, pero sana mabigyan ng magandang kinabukasan ang mga bata…at hindi pandagdag sa statistics ng mga walang trabaho.

    Eto ba ang gusto ng Simbahan…dumami ang anak, para dumami ang mga nagsisimba… well, sad to say, they never went to church on Sundays.

    Bakit maraming nakawan at holdapan? Bakit maraming kriminal? …dahil ba sa dami ng tao?…dahil ba sa kawalan ng trabaho? dahil ba sa kagipitan? dahil ba sa mga kaibigan?…..

    Dahil ito sa kakulangan ng patnubay ng magalung habang ang mga bata ay lumalaki. Dahil sa dami ng anak, hindi kayang alagaan at turuan ng tama (morals and values) ang mga anak. (sympre, hindi naman lahat ng pamilya eh ganito ang kahihinatnan… pero ang karamihan eh ganito ang pinagsisimulan). Busy ang mga nanay at tatay sa pagtatrabaho, para masustentuhan ang lumalaking pamilya….. Pero nasaan ang simbahan? ano ang ginagawa ng mga pari? …..hindi naman oras-oras eh kayang bantayan ng mga pari ang mga bata… ano ang nagawa ng simbahan para pigilan ang mga krimen at kakulangan ng trabaho…. Wala diba?…ibinabalik lang sa gobyerno ang problema..ngayon may  gagawin hakbang ang government ayaw naman….. hay…

    It is time to pass the RH Bill… It is time for Philippine Economy to rise….it is time to have real separation of Church and State.

    • Nagagalitna

      Kasi Bro mali ang pag educate ng mga demonyong Pari sa sambayanan kaya nagkakaganito tayo eh.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHU6HNDR4NDTAJUFZSJS7BKNQ DontJUDGEmeIMnotABooK

    I remember the movie SCHINDLER’S LIST…:)

  • daniboy2012

    Just lookin’ on these priest robes…MAKE ME SICK!!!!….MGA KABABAYAN HUBARIN NATIN ANG MGA ‘TO PARA MAGHANAP NG TUNAY NA TRABAHO.

  • nelsonkamloon

    Down under is a continent  as big as USA , but has  only a little over 20million population. This is the number that suits pinas size.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/75LEIXTKTW7EAYAMOUJK7SKCSY Nick Cabagte

    Remove the Catholic Church from this country and surely poverty will fade away.

    • teekaye2

       Maybe just stop them from interfering with peoples rightes, they have a place in the world but shouild not force their vies on everyone

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EOPTE2MND2X4US7LRXVBXIZNYM Dino

     Not a show of force but a SHOW OF FARCE. Impressive, indeed. And yes, the MitsuBISHOPS are fearful old men out of touch with the realities of poor women and children in urban poor and other impoverished communities in our country. Without compassion, at that.

  • TGIF_G

     Peace na, to both of you! :-))

  • Radeon Blue

    Panahon pa ng mga Kastila itong problema sa mga pari.

    If this bill gets approved in both Congress, it’ll be a proud moment for us as a nation. Maybe even Jose Rizal will rise from his grave to cheer.

    We should start to disconnect the church from state affairs and this RH bill could be it. Nowhere else in the world, specially in developed nations, can you witness this open meddling of the church in state affairs. It must stop.

  • txtman

    BINABABOY NA NILA ANG ATING SIMBAHAN

    IT IS ABOUT TIME TO HAVE A SOLID CATHOLIC VOTE

    MASKI 3-5 MILLION SOLID CATHOLIC VOTE LANG

    THE CATHOLIC YOUTHS MUST BE STRENGTHENED AND ORGANIZED
    IT NEEDS A NEW FACE, A STRONG NATIONAL YOUTH LEADER

    THE LAY PEOPLE MUST BE STRENGTHENED AND ORGANIZED
    IT NEEDS A NEW FACE, A STRONG NATIONAL LEADER

    HINDI LANG ANG INK 

    IT IS ABOUT TIME TO HAVE A SOLID CATHOLIC VOTE
    MASKI 10% LANG
    VERY REALISTIC – 3-5 MILLION SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES

    EVERY CHURCHES MUST ORGANIZED
    THE YOUTHS AND LAY PEOPLE MUST HAVE A LIST TO VOTE

    PANAHON NA MGA KAPAITD
    TAMA NA ANG PAMBABABOY NILA SA ATING SIMBAHAN

    3-5 MILLION SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES
    KAYA NATIN YAN!

    • tamumd

      So your keyboard is back again on its permanent Caps Lock position! lol

    • http://twitter.com/johannfojas Johann Fojas

      now that is corruption. having a solid vote and take away each and every individual’s own personal decision and point of view.

    • rjimenez1226

      Binababoy lkasi ng mga pare ang bayan kaya ayan binanababoy na talaga ang katolisismo. Pinatay ng mga kastolisimong pare si Rizal.

      • daniboy2012

        Tama ..ang akala nila nakalimutan natin yon….’tang nang kasinungalingan yan….basagin at sunugin lahat ng mga rebulto….

    • daniboy2012

      DAHIL SA TOTOO LANG  ” BABOY ANG RELIYON MO TXTMAN….binababoy ang Pilipinas at ang mga Pinoy….magsilayas kayo pumunta kayo sa Punong Baboy sa Vatican…doon kayo magladladlaran…..21st century na naniniwala ka pa rin sa kasinungalingan!

    • legnasagra

      Ano pa ang itawag mo sa isang baboy, eh di talagang baboy, alangan namang manok, Sa kagagawan ng mga namumuno sa simbahan, unti unting nawawala ang respeto ng mamamayan. Ang respeto ay isang bagay na di mabibili o pwedeng iutos sa kahit kanino man, ang respeto ay makamtan lamang sa makatarungan at sinserong kilos at gawa.

    • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

      “IT IS ABOUT TIME TO HAVE A SOLID CATHOLIC VOTEMASKI 3-5 MILLION SOLID CATHOLIC VOTE LANG.”
      Its not going to happen, why? because even the bishops are incapable of having a common stand. Proof of this is their failure up to now to come out with a pronouncement on the morality, or lack thereof, of the SUV bishops openly soliciting vehicles from Dorovo. Oh sure they claim to be exhaustively and thoroughly investigating the matter but hey c’mon, don’t tell me/us that their investigation is just as tedious, if not more, than our judicial system.. I strongly smell a whitewash here..

  • marcos_hitler_diktador_tuta

    Ang Simbahang Katoliko ay sagabal sa kaunlaran at ang pananalig sa diyos ay hindi kailangang idaan sa mga corrupt na ito mga pari at obispo. Sapagkat ang diyos ay iisa lamang at hindi naman niya kailangan ang pera, huwag na nating idaan sa mga pari ang kontribusyon natin kundi sa mga lehitimong charity na lang o di kaya deretso na sa mga taong nangangailangan.

    Ang tunay na pananalig sa diyos ay ang pagtulong sa sarili at kapwa natin hindi pagbibigay ng abuloy sa simbahan. Mayaman na sila samantalang madami sa atin ang naghihirap.

    Itaguyod ang RH Bill!!!! 

  • TGIF_G

    I’m from Germany and I really don’t understand where the problem exactly is. And why is it corruption??? Since the church became an expert about corruption they should know it better. Why Filipino bishops just dont call their episcopal friends around the world and get some feedback about this issue and how societies around the world are handling it. Ay sus, nakakahiya naman!

  • chiefsiop

    “religion is the opium of the people” ayaw ko sanang maniwala dito pero sa tingin ko e wala na sa katwiran ang simbahan. Huwag na nating hintayin na maging 200 million tayo bago gumawa ng mas drastic na procedures tulad ng one child policy ang gobyerno. Mas maganda ang quality at hindi quantity. Ang katwiran na over populated lang sa atin ay ang mga syudad at hindi sa mga probinsya e hindi katanggap tangap. Kung hahayaan natin na maging populated ang ating mga probinsya e mawawalan tayo ng lupang mapagtatamnan at wala tayong makakain. Kung ikukumpara mo ang ratio ng mga tao at ating lupain e mas hamak na mas over populated tayo kesa China at India. Kahit anong gawin ng gobyerno na maparami ang trabaho at pagkain dito sa pilipinas kung mas marami naman ang mga taong dumadagdag e di pa rin sasapat. Sana naman makunsenya ang mga obispo.

  • TGIF_G

    Spain has already the same-sex-marriage and Italy has the recognition of same-sex-unions. All the countries who brought catholic believe to the world are the most liberal now and very distanced to what the Vatican is saying.

  • Edgar Lores

    It is heartening to note that the rally was not well-attended.  It proves that the the Catholic Church has less simple-minded believers than the INC. Perhaps it also proves that the simple-minded folk in the Church can be found at the top.

  • catmanjohn

    The High and Holy Catholic Church must be very concerned that the expected turn out dwindled from 100,000 to barely 10,000, which is a good sign for the Philippines, and those elected politicians who should read this as a sign to Vote for REASON and not FEAR, and PASS the RH BILL. It is time to step out of the shadow of oppression, guilt, and hypocrisy and let the dialog of reason, choice, and self determination set the road to progress. The blatant nerve of the Catholic Church to label the use of condoms as ‘corruptive’, while the whole world practices such an option to fight AIDS and overpopulation, is so medieval  and backward, it is frightening that some People could follow them so blindly. The Church should focus on how they can clean their own image up from corruption and perversion, serve the People better by restoring honesty and trust between people, which the years of corruption has nearly destroyed.

  • cute79

    wala nrin sanang abuloy para sa simbahan para walang coruption!

  • fugeee

    dalawang araw na lang…botohan na at magkakaalaman na…LOL
    sana televised ahaha…
    GO GO GO RH BILL!!! 

  • Nagagalitna

    Lahat ng family na lagpas 3 ang anak pag may problema doon ituro sa simbahan wag tulungan ng govt plssss…
    kasi sayang ang tax ko para lng ibigay sa matigas ang ulo at tanga na Pilipino.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/N4NOF6AUXV4UGAHZV7O5P5YCF4 Pedro

    ang simbahan gusto nila dumami ng husto ang tao sa mundo, kasi mas maraming tao, mas malaki ang “ABULOY” na makokolekta nila.

    ang bansa ay tulad din ng isang malaking silid-aralan, pag nasobrahan sa dami ang laman nito, wala ng mauupuan, mag sisiksikan na sa loob , hindi na makapag aral ng maayos, hanggang sa mag-away-away na ito sa hirap at sikip sa loob. 

    nakalagay sa biblia, “humayo kayo at magpakarami”, at nasunod na natin, marami na tayo!!!! hindi sinabi na, “humayo kayo at mag paka-SOBRANG DAMI”.

    mas mabuti pa sa simbahan WAG KAYONG MAMULITIKA, WAG KAYONG MAKIALAM SA PAMAMALAKAD NG BANSA!!!!!! bwahahaha!!!

  • el_latigo

    “Contraception is corruption” daw o!?

    To settle the festering,  pestering and polarizing dispute about the RH Bill once and for all,  perhaps the 100% tax-free churches i.e., all churches including other religious denominations,  would and should share even only 50% of the burden of looking after the teeming poor to keep both their bodies and souls together  instead of leaving everything to the government 100% and attacking and maligning the leader(s) if they cannot manage and handle the humongous and horrendous societal and logistical costs of attending to their  needs such as food, shelter, clothing, education, clothing, health, etc., etc. ?  What say you bishops, priests, nuns, pastors, that is, all of you members of religious groups who are against the RH Bill?

    Napakadali kasing mambatikos at mang-insulto kung ikaw ay isang miron lamang na nasa tabi at nakatanghod at nanunuod at walang anumang obligasyong sobrang bigat na nakaatang sa inyong mga balikat, bow!

  • rjimenez1226

    The Roman Catholic church is the most corrupt in the world!

    • daniboy2012

      Thats a fact!

    • jrng16

       kung mamatay ang mga mahirap at mag pa burial mass. bakit pabayarin pa? pro poor man kaya mga pari?

  • TagaMlang

    “The Church maintains that modern contraceptive methods prevent
    procreation, which should be the only function of sex. Should the bill
    pass Congress, it will produce an “abortion generation” and encourage
    infidelity, Villegas said.”

    THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS STILL THE SAME THINKING AS IN THE MIDDLE AGES.  IT HAS NOT EVOLVED. 

    MY SUGGESTION:  LET’S PUT THIS ISSUE TO A PLEBISCITE.  LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE. 

    THERE ARE OTHER RELIGIONS THAT DO NOT ESPOUSE THE SAME MINDSET AS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. 

    ALTHOUGH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH CLAIM THAT IT IS THE MAJORITY, BUT I DOUBT VERY MUCH IF MAJORITY OF FILIPINO CATHOLICS AGREE WITH THEM AS REGARDS TO RH BILL. 

    TO THE SENATE AND CONGRESS:  PUT THIS ISSUE TO A PLEBISCITE.  IN THIS WAY, WHATEVER THE PEOPLE DECIDE, YOU ARE NOT PART OF IT, YOU KEEP YOUR HANDS CLEAN. 

    AND BY THEN, IT WILL BE VERY CLEAR TO THE PEOPLE THAT NO POLITICIAN CAN CLAIM CREDIT FOR WHATEVER WILL BE THE RESULT.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SUJYOF6NIOGUWWLK3CRQWOMAPQ Court

    Villegas di ba may philosophy ang course nyong mga pari at presumed na magaling kayo jan? But you committed a fallacy of “ad hominem” in your argument that
    ‘Kung walang anak, walang mahirap (If there are no children, there will be no poverty)?’”……review your logic parekoy…..wala ka ng pinagkaiba sa mga pulitikong ginagawang bobo ang mga botante sa pamamagitan ng mga pilipit na argumento……

  • el_latigo

    Ay tutuo ka Pedro, Damaso at mga Juan ng lipunan. Kung sa kanila (simbahan) mo  mismo iatang kaya maski partial lang ang mabigat na obligasyong tumingin sa kapakanan ng mga milyones na mahihirap tingnan mo mananahimik ang mga iyan. Baka sila pa mismo ang mag-advocate ng population control by any means, never mind the contents of the proposed RH Bill.

  • el_latigo

    Ay tutuo ka Pedro, Damaso at mga Juan ng lipunan. Kung sa kanila (Simbahang Katoliko) mo  mismo iatang kaya maski partial lang ang mabigat na obligasyong tumingin sa kapakanan ng mga milyones na mahihirap tingnan mo mananahimik ang mga iyan. Baka sila pa mismo ang mag-advocate ng population control by any means, never mind the proposal under the proposed RH Bill.

  • http://twitter.com/adampalma Adam Palma

    1987 Constitution – Article 1 Section 6. The separation of Church and State shall be inviolable

    I am a Catholic. My faith is hinged in the Apostles’ Creed. But there is a small and a big picture that surrounds the RH Bill. 

    Reading its text shows that the primary intent is to aid in women in taking care of their sexual and physical health, which is the small picture. It is only but one aspect that the bill covers. In the bigger picture, the bill aims to promote the common good for the family. 

    Come to think of it, couples, regardless of religion, engage in safe sex in any denomination of contraception methods. Call it promiscuity or curiosity. But contraception already exists with or without the RH Bill. 

    What then does the Catholic Church or any other religion do about this to address the bigger picture? Do they build roads health facilities to aid families who have a lot of kids? What is being done? Unfortunately, with all due respect to our countrymen who belong to the lower economic class, they bare a lot of children. What does the Church or any religion do for them? There are so many critical questions that need to be answered.

    Like the Vatican councils of past generations that show that the Catholic Church reinvents itself for the demands of the times, it is also about time that the State be given full autonomy in determining laws that will help the people. Claim of preservation of life should be backed up with concrete actions rather than just doctrines. Because at the end of the day, doctrines are intended to be translated into action as Jesus intended.

    • UrHONOR

      RCCh as before is mainly for the preservation of the hierarchy for POWER, WEALTH, and AUTHORITY.  Nothing more.  Everything else is secondary.  Proof of the pudding is in the eating.  RCCh in PH is awash with billions and billions of cash while its flock is gaunt to death.  The shepherd is wallowing in wealth while the sheep are dying in hunger.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    The Roman Catholic church has really not changed us for the better since catholicism was introduced to us since Magellan time. What values it teaches that made us excel compared to our neighboring countries who are not catholics. Today, there are more bad guys, corrupt, thieves, plunderer, prostis, and you name it. People just have no respect for themselves and for others. Count how many are squatters who have no respect for the property of others. How many sell their votes during election? How many go to the cockpit and bet on lotto/swertres than work hard to earn for a living? And how many priests and bishops violate their vows? All these must have something to do with the failure of the church to instill values of success and righteousness.

  • el_latigo

    Ay tutuo ka Pedro, Damaso at mga Juan ng lipunan. Kung sa simbahan mo  mismo iatang kaya maski partial lang ang mabigat na obligasyong tumingin sa kapakanan ng mga milyones na mahihirap tingnan mo mananahimik ang mga iyan, Baka sila pa mismo ang mag-advocate ng population control thru any means, never mind the contents of the proposed RH Bill.

  • daniboy2012

    Judge at their results..catholic religion produces corrupt minds, as vir_a  says.

  • inquirercet

    what is it with the church and their obsession with sex? the issue is responsible parenthood but they keep diverting the issue back to sex. premarital sex will happen with or without the rh bill. what the law will be addressing are: 
    one, women’s rights to choose their own fate. 
    two, teach the populace how to space childbirth. 
    three, prevent sexually transmitted diseases. 
    four, PREVENT ABORTION!!

    fewer unwanted pregnancies = fewer abortion. the church is stupid if they think that abortion is not happening in the philippines.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Makes you wonder why, though.

    • lemon88

      NAPAKALIWANAG NG COMMENTS MO. EWAN KO KUNG HINDI PA MAIINTINDIHAN NI BISHOP SOC VILLEGAS YAN AT NG IBANG MGA BISHOP KUNO.

    • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

      Karamihan ng mga pari mga ipokrito.kunwari nagmamalasakit sa kapwa pero number 1 naman sa korapsyon ang mga paring katoliko.dapat ang mga paring katoliko at ang simbahan ng katoliko ay kunan na rin ng tax.Kayong mga membro ng katoliko matagal na kayong nagbubulagbulagan.mamulat na kayo.Yong pera ninyo na ipinanaabuloy ang mga pari lang ang nakikinabang.Magagarang bahay at mga sasakyan ang mga gamit ng mga pari,mga bishop sabihin na natin mga leaders ng katoliko.Samantala maraming mga katoliko ay nasa gitna ng mga kalsada na nagpapalimos kasama mga bata, at nasa vicinity ng mga simbahan din hindi nililingap.Yan ang tunay na CORRUPTION.

  • martial_law_baby

    I hope our Congressmen and Senators could make us proud by passing the RH Bill and show the world that we are a secular and forward thinking nation, not to be bullied and dictated upon by one Church or religion. Tama na iyung ilang daang taon na panghihimasok at pang iimpluwensya ng simbahang Katoliko. We’ve had enough. To the Roman Catholic hierarchy, tumingin muna kayo sa salamin! You are part of the corruption of this country. You turn a blind eye on corrupt politicians basta nabibigyan kayo ng abuloy galing jueteng or nabibigyan kayo ng Pajero. Bago nyo punahin ang gobyerno, magbayad muna kayo ng buwis! Kung ayaw nyo ay pabayaan nyo na lang kami. If you think you have the right to be heard, and so is the majority of the Filipinos. Huwag nyo kaming utusan at ituring na mga alipin ninyo. Hindi kami mangmang para sabihan kung ano ang tama at mali.

  • catmanjohn

    Like a business that preys on the weaknesses of Men, it is in the best interest of the Catholic Church to have people, wrought with fear and superstition, so that their ever expanding congregations will serve them obediently, and turn over their hard earned money. They are in the business of suffering, by using guilt as a weapon, and if conspiracy is suspect, they are the ‘Trojan Horse’ enemy of progress and self determination. With the rash of pedophile charges against the Catholic Church recently, it is dangerous and naive NOT to question their pontifications.

    • daniboy2012

      Cat…say it pilipino language

    • spearheads

      “their ever expanding congregations…”? Akala ko kaunti na lang naniniwala sa Simbahan Katoliko at marami ng tumiwalag, sabi mo? Make up your mind, more often than not confusion or ambivalence is proof of lying. 

      With the “With the ‘rash’ of pedophile charges?” I would have agreed to your comment if you only said pedophiles have dangerous “rashes”, di ba catwomanjoanne.

      • PikonNaKami

        You are an idiot hercubulus.  You are proof why selective abortion should be allowed.

      • catmanjohn

        Herbie, you and Ant Dick Adam are 2 maggot infested peas in the same pod. What ill conceived mother  hoar (like yours) bring a low life like you into this world, who tries to portray his fellow man as a woman?  I am a better man than you any day, you Corona lackey scum. Your corruption, and blind self righteous faith,  is just another tiny proof of the parasites which infects the Nation’s progress. By the way you little Baboy pimp, tell your boss Gloria I have a smooth bore shaft that would straighten out all her back end problems, and it works better than those useless machines Mickey peddles around.

      • catmanjohn

        Hey Herbie… you and Ant Dick Adam are two maggot infested peas in the same pod. What hoar mother. (like yours) could ill conceive low life losers you, who try to portray his fellow man as a woman? Only a Baboy pim p like you and Ant Dick would gravitate  to such thoughts. You 2 Corona rear end azz wipes are proof of the corrupt and falsely self righteous parasites that have infected the bowels of the Nation for too long. As to your envy of my given name… I was walking down the street with my beautiful German princess, and this crazy old man came up to us and waved his hand over my head and pronounced… ” You must be CatmanJohn… and from that day, my ladies call me such. Eat your heart out. In the meantime, go tell your boss Gloria that I have a hard smooth bore shaft that would fix all her back end problems, and they work better than those things Mickey peddles around.

      • catmanjohn

        Hey Herbie… you and Ant Dick Adam are two maggot infested peas in the same pod. What hoare mother. (like yours) could ill conceived low life losers you, who try to portray his fellow man as a woman? Only a Ba boy pim p like you and Ant Dick would gravitate  to such thoughts. You 2 Corona rear end azz wipes are proof of the corrupt and falsely self righteous parasites that have infected the bow els of the Nation for too long. As to your envy of my given name… I was walking down the street with my beautiful German princess, and this crazy old man came up to us and waved his hand over my head and pronounced… ” You must be CatmanJohn… and from that day, my friends call me such. Eat your heart out. In the meantime, go tell your boss Gloria that I have a hard smooth bore shaft that would fix all her back end problems, and they work better than those floppy machines Mickey peddles around.

      • catmanjohn

        Hey Herbie… you and Ant Dick Adam are two maggot infested peas in the same pod. What whoar mother. (like yours) could ill conceived low life losers you, who try to portray his fellow man as a woman? Only a Ba boy pim p like you and Ant Dick would gravitate  to such thoughts. You 2 Corona rear end azz wipes are proof of the corrupt and falsely self righteous parasites that have infected the bow els of the Nation for too long. As to your envy of my given name… I was walking down the street with my beautiful German princess, and this crazy old man came up to us and waved his hand over my head and pronounced… ” You must be CatmanJohn… and from that day, my friends call me such. Eat your heart out. In the meantime, go tell your boss Gloria that I have the perfect smooth bore shaft that would fix all her back end problems, and they work better than those floppy machines Mickey peddles around.

  • Ramil Abalon

    ha ha ha nauuto ng mga bishops ang mga tao..akala nila ay totoo…

  • Leonardof

    The church leadership has the gall to say that contraception is corruption. Aren’t they not a party to the impunity of corruption during the arroyo administration? Now perhaps without SUVs and bags of money being dispensed to them by the Pres. Aquino , the catholic leadership wants to get back at the president.

    It is hard to imagine that the catholic leaders can say a dumb line. Are they so naive not to know that contrapception is accepted in almost every country particularly those of the more developed countries. And what is simply worst is that to say that contraception is corruption is to slander those practicing contraception, putting into them the stigma of being corrupt.

    Sadly, many Filipinos are held in the nose by the modern Padre Damasos. They like to be considered to be among the flock of sheeps, sheepishly following whatever and wherever the church says.

    • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

      The Bishops are saying ” Do as we preach and not as we do. Its ok for us to be corrupt but you may not be corrupt.” There is a double standard here. The bishops speak with “forked tongues.”

  • wehd1nga

    The cath0Iic church has sp0ken,,, RH BiII is dead,

    • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

      Really? That is a tad difficult to swallow.. Why don’t we wait and see the exodos..

    • ashleybulls

      Let the Filipino people speak and not the catholic church. Let those whom we voted start voting for the RH Bill and not a Vatican controlled entity.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

    NO to ABULOY !!! boycott ABULOY in church!!!

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      respectfully I disagree.

      The church I go to has this wonderful missionary program that would help a lot of people.

      I do realize that the teachings of the church regarding RH is archaic and outdated, but then, there are a lot of wonderful works that I support, which is not related to RH. It would be a shame if I withdraw my support simply because the RCC and I dont see eye to eye on some issues, predominantly the RH.

      I am a free thinker and I value reason( and law), which is a contradiction to my catholic faith. But then, I have my reasons.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

    sa totoo niyan wala nang nagsisimba. BAGSAK na ang ATTENDANCE sa simbahan!!!

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Disagree.

      I have faith, that the RCC will realize its mistakes, and will change for the better.

      I pray that every time I enter the church.

  • UrHONOR

    “Contraception is corruption” is an illusion and hallucination just as immaculate conception.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

      It wasn’t immaculate conception, it was spontaneous combustion. But see how irrational the Italian catholic church is.

      • UrHONOR

        Ano sa Tagalog yan…SINGAW?

  • UrHONOR

    THE best route to take is to bring the issue to your government representatives whom you have elected to represent you.  Tell them how you’d like to vote on this issue.  Hindi yong PERSONAL persuasion ng mga TNL na sen o cong ang masusunod.  KAYO…TAYO ang masusunod, hindi sila.  At lalong hindi ang mga Lolong ng simbahan….TAYO.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Agree.

      Debate is over. Let the representatives decide.

  • wehd1nga

    The cath0Iic church has sp0ken,,, RH BiII is dead, Pr0 RH p0Iiticians be warned y0ur days are numbered.

    • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

      Your warning is likewise applicable to the politicians who are Anti RH.. RH Bill is dead? Let us wait & see the exodos..

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

        Even your spelling is wrong. I hesitate to condemn your thinking for I am tolerant of those with Down’s syndrome.

      • JuanTamadachi

        Your ignorance is pitiful. you poor benighted JACKA$$. I shall endeavor to add to your erudition: Read the below, pay attention to letter e thereof: 

        Structure of Greek Plays:

        The basic structure of a Greek tragedy is fairly simple. After a prologue spoken by one or more characters, the chorus enters, singing and dancing. Scenes then alternate between spoken sections (dialogue between characters, and between characters and chorus) and sung sections (during which the chorus danced). Here are the basic five parts of a Greek Tragedy:
        a. Prologue: Spoken by one or two characters before the chorus appears. The prologue usually gives the mythological background necessary for understanding the events of the play.
        b. Parodos: This is the song sung by the chorus as it first enters the orchestra and dances.
        c. First Episode: This is the first of many “episodes”, when the characters and chorus talk.
        d. First Stasimon: At the end of each episode, the other characters usually leave the stage and the chorus dances and sings a stasimon, or choral ode. The ode usually reflects on the things said and done in the episodes, and puts it into some kind of larger mythological framework.For the rest of the play, there is alternation between episodes and stasima, until the final scene, called the..
        .e. Exodos: At the end of play, the chorus exits singing a processional song which usually offers words of wisdom related to the actions and outcome of the play..
        Apparently you only know the word exodus – meaning a mass departure.. So the next time you attempt another smart alecky post be sure of your information, YOU DUMB SCHIZOID EUNUCHOID.. .

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      Respectfully, I disagree.

      And should it fail now, it will rise again. I just hope we’re not too deep in trouble when our people realized our mistakes.

    • jrng16

       iyon ang akala mo

    • ashleybulls

      You’re just like the bishops, mahilig magthreaten….RH Bill is for responsible parenthood.

  • bgcorg

    The rh bill goes after the symptom, not the root cause of poverty.  There is no overpopulation in the country; only a disproportionate distribution of the population.  Our young are the hope of the Fatherland.  We must provide against a population winter and give our very people hope and social justice.  The Church is against poverty and encourages statesmen to pass only economic policies that are based on moral grounds and do not obliterate our competitive advantage in the global stage.  It is the government’s job to level the playing field, not to kill the unborn or meddle so that the sperm does not meet the egg.  The decision to plan their families belong to the married couple, not for the state to aggressively promote birth control by legislation.  If information is necessary, it can be done not through this particular “responsible parenthood” bill which is heavily influenced by the International Planned Parenthood Federation, the Guttmacher Institute, the Popcom, and other anti-family groups that do not value the practise of the virtues and reverence for life.

    • inquirercet

      so what you are saying is we should protect the unborn, but after you are born, go to the government for handouts. what is this “competitive advantage” you are referring to? are you saying we should produce more babies so we can send more ofws abroad? i’m sorry sir, but you seem to be confusing facts with fiction. our country cannot sustain this growth in population for long. promoting responsible parenthood does not take away the right of an individual to choose, it gives them additional/more options. 

      • bgcorg

        That is putting words into my mouth — your conclusion, based on bias and prejudice. I am against handouts for long periods of time, and outside calamity sitiuations.  It would be much better to teach people how to fish than just give them fish for the day.  We should protect the unborn and this government should address the long time, protracted problem of poverty, corruption and adopt sound policies, not based on the opinion of a chosen circle of men.  Sending more people abroad is only part of the fact, not fiction.  Our young people work in BPO establishments, as well, and they have spurred consumption.  OFWs in land and sea, send remittances into the country and are hailed as our “Modern Heroes.”  When economists and such people in the BSP, NEDA, Bloomberg News and HSBC agree on one thing, it seems prudent to recognize the consensus of the reading of the economy by experts.

        I never said that we should produce more babies to send as OFWs abroad.  But it is a reality that since these countries do not have the necessary skills and manpower, perhaps because of depletion of population, among other things, the services of Filipino OFWs are much in demand.  That is the fact here.  For your information, it is not stopping the growth of the population which is the answer. That is the simplistic way of looking at facts.  We should achieve a balanced population growth, otherwise we might reach a point where a “demographic winter” can also happen here in the country, like in most western countries, Japan, Singapore and lately, China. NEDA Chief Balicasan reports that our population growth is only 1.8 comfortably below the acceptable 2.1 per cent that allows for a healthy “replacement rate.”  We only have to give the very poor hope and social justice, so that they can be productive economically and become useful members of society.  NFPMs gives options to couples to choose from because they are many and can even be combined to produce results that are naturally safe, reliable, efficient and less expensive.  Bad publicity is resorted to by pro-rh advocates about NFPMs, when what they have in mind is the traditional Calendar Method only, without taking the trouble of knowing more about the thing they criticize about.

        The Church is not against responsible parenting, another fiction bandered about by the enemies of the Church.  She teaches and guides and earnestly hopes that men of good will would follow the way less travelled by, not become victims of modernism, libertinism, anti-clerical prejudices, materialism and radical secularism.  This government should instead focus on giving the poor equal opportunities to education, livelihood and employment, social and primary health care especially to mother and child, embark on public works and transportation projects free from corruption and should junk the rh bill.  Not only is it divisive, it is the wrong answer to a flawed identification of the real problem of the country.  It glosses over solving the problem for the more popular window dressing.  Morality, though, is not a matter for a popularity contest; it is based on the very nature of man and on Natural Law. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PJTH3SHQU3B4TCUVRH2UXZCJDY Balahura

      ” anti-family groups that do not value the practise of the virtues and reverence for life.” Do you think the priests and nuns have reverence for life if they do not procreate? (maybe they did procreate while hiding, what about the majority bakla priests?)

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

        Not all of priests are predators of young boys, many of them prefer women, which they keep with the donations given to them by the credulous poor. Padre Damaso ( a Dominican) fathered Maria Clara. it wasn’t Crisostimo Ibarra he was tinkling with. Just look at what the Benedictine monks have taught their students in San Beda 2 fatal hazings in less than a year.

      • bgcorg

        There are many gifts in the Church and many states of life.  Just because you have not experienced it yourself, does not mean that you can’t appreciate and learn from obsrvation and the experience of others, even acquiring more wisdom than the one who leads “an unexamined life.”  

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      “The decision to plan their families belong to the married couple, not for the state to aggressively promote birth control by legislation.”

      It has always been that.

      Even with the RH Bill passed, its always been the husband and the wife’s decision.  And it has never changed.

      The only difference is that, the government has a wider array of options for them to choose any method they may want.  Methods that are legal. 

      SHOULD THE FAMILY USE THE RCC’S METHOD OF CONTRACEPTION, WELL, THATS OK TOO.

      Two things:

      They are more informed.
      They have more choices.

      “If information is necessary, it can be done not through this particular “responsible parenthood” bill which is heavily influenced by the International Planned Parenthood Federation, the Guttmacher Institute, the Popcom, and other anti-family groups that do not value the practise of the virtues and reverence for life.”

      This is the very notion that we find unacceptable.

      Why use the Roman Catholic Church’s ideas of RH and exclude others?

      Isn’t it important that people be informed of every OPTION out there?  Isn’t it important that they are made to CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES, based on a complete information?

      Again, I reiterate, the hubby and the wife can choose the RCC’s methods, but only if they choose to. Let’s not allow the RCC to ram it to their throats.

      • bgcorg

        The method acceptable to the Catholic Church is not contraception. It respects the woman’s reproductive cycle and is aptly termed as Natural Family Planning Methods.  It does not use pills, injectables, devices, procedures or services that unduly meddles with the integrity of the reproductive process, the use of sex, the primacy of live, and service to one’s family.  Artificial contraception is not acceptable because it unduly meddles in the natural processes, or integrity, or structure and sanctity of sex, as intended by God.  Sex, of course, can be done for enhancing the love between the spouses which artificial contraception works against objectively speaking by stopping the act’s openness to life.

        Freedom is not without its limitations: freedom without its corresponding moral responsibilities is not freedom al all.  It is to abuse it.  For,every human act has inseparably the aspect of “oughtness.”  Since NFPMs are many and varied, choices can be made between them, not just the Calendar Method, which is widely maligned by detractors in favor of artificial contraception. 

        The Church believes that in this modern day and age, virtues such as temperance, abstinence, justice, fortitude and prudence can be practised without violence to the nature of man.  In fact, it is most natural for man to do.  Virtue is the habit of doing good.  But, as the Philosopher Socrates said, “the unexamined life is not worth living.”

      • bgcorg

        Moral uprightness is often hard and difficult to habitually practise.  But, your reward will be great in heaven.  In weakness we are made strong by God’s amazing grace.  The Church extends the mercy and forgiveness of God through the sacrament of reconciliation and love in the Holy Eucharist.

      • TGM_ERICK

        I ouldn’t agree more!

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        “It respects the woman’s reproductive cycle and is aptly termed as Natural Family Planning Methods”

        Funny how the RCC shows its respect. Show people respect by respecting ALL aspects of their lives, including respecting their choice.

        “Freedom is not without its limitations: freedom without its corresponding moral responsibilities is not freedom al all.”

        That is true. But then the question is in the concept of morality. Take for instance your moral reasoning and attitude towards choice of contraceptive. Clearly, your attitude differs from mine, and it differs from other people too. Since the answer differs for all, then your concept of morality may have little or no meaning to others vice versa, and therefore, imposing your moral over mine would be encroaching on the very concept of my freedom to move within my own concept of morality.

        If the question on morality of killing comes into question, then I doubt we will have any differences, since we all share a common understanding of the morality involved in that act. This means that we share some common moral understanding of certain events, and we disagree on some moral understanding of certain events. And let it stand at that.

        Now about responsibility that comes with freedom. As rational and thinking beings, we do understand the concept of what is ‘freedom with consequences’ mean. But what we ask is the ability to choose our own mistakes, if mistakes be meant by choice of artificial contraception to some people. And to be made accountable to our own choices. If God did not want one to use Art. Contraceptives, let that one be accountable to God, and not be accountable to nobody else.

        “The Church believes that in this modern day and age, virtues such as temperance, abstinence, justice, fortitude and prudence can be practised without violence to the nature of man.”

        But would you find people within the RCC to follow that and keep it to them alone? Let those people who do not subscribe be given to choose not to be affected by those who want to subscribe. You do not see Pro-RH preaching to the anti-RH, converting the people to their own sense of morality, right? Can we not expect the same?

        “Virtue is the habit of doing good. But, as the Philosopher Socrates said, “the unexamined life is not worth living.””

        And who says no one is examining my sense of morality, everyday?

        If I am muslim, is my sense of morality not questioned? If I am hindu, or one who believes in Shintoism, is my sense of morality not questioned?

        Can I choose someone else or is that the job of the RCC and I do not have any say in the matter?

        Sadly, the question of morality does not come in to play. Its the question of morality based on the RCC that is always the contention.

  • regd

    Well, this church is just doing what it does best: corrupting minds and destroying itself from within. I’m a casualty. Thank goodness I wake up a long time ago.

  • inquirercet

    Villegas reminded them that “contraception makes sex cheap.” – hahaha, while the bishops want to make sex as expensive as possible. “you want sex? save enough money for diapers, milk, school, college first.”

  • TinimbangNgunitKulang

    Bakit kailangang con todo regalia ang mga obispo kung magmisa at magsermon? Because they believe and a lot of their fanatical followers also believe that those resplendent robes at kung ano pang mga abubot eh somehow magically make them holy and superhuman. Beneath those fineries and golden abubots are ordinary men, no different than anybody else. THINK people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

      Hey, those silk dresses that the bishops wear and the gold instruments they use in churches are expensive. Their racket is the most successful hedge fund in the world. They want to keep it that way. Don’t you see how fat the bishops are?

  • tra6Gpeche

    Mr Socrates Villegas’ statement that contraception is corruption is a statement corrupting and polluting the mind and intelligence of the Filipino People. These leaders of the Philippine Catholic Church have been lying to the Filipinos since the time Magellan’s priest baptized the coward and traitor to his people and ancestors, Datu Humabon of Zugbu. These Philippine Catholic leaders have been using lies, deception and shrewdness to corrupt and immobilize the clear thinking of the Filipinos. The two books of Dr Jose P. Rizal, Noli Me Tangere and El Felibusterismo said it all. I hope that Dr. Jose P. Rizal did not get shot in Bagumbayan for nothing. I suggest that the young and the old Filipinos read again those two enlightening books of Dr. Rizal about these Catholic leaders’ hypocrisy, unscrupulousness, aspersion, arrogance, slyness and trickery. These pretenders have already hypnotized the Filipinos and their political leaders for more than 490 years. The Filipinos must learn how to take care of themselves by trusting their government. If RH bill becomes a Philippine law, in the years to come, many, many families will be out of severe poverty and hopelessness. The Philippine government, not the Catholic Church, is there to serve the Filipino people.

    • spearheads

      “These leaders of the Philippine Catholic Church have been lying to the Filipinos since the time Magellan…”

      Wala pang “Philippine Catholic Church” noong time ni Magellan, review your history.

      “I suggest that the young and the old Filipinos read again those two enlightening books of Dr. Rizal…”

      No need to reread Rizal’s books. Rizal criticized the Spanish friars, not the Pope.

      “These pretenders have already hypnotized the Filipinos and their political leaders for more than 490 years.”

      Kung totoong na “hynotized ang mga Filipinos at political leaders” di wala sanang gumawa ng RH Bill, ano sa tingin mo?

      • tra6Gpeche

        You better review the logic of what I am saying. You are just trying to run away from the truth. The truth is there will be no Catholic Church in this place now called Philippines without the uninvited arrival of Magellan with his so called priest that baptized that coward and traitor Datu Humabon. Even the name Philippines will never exist. That priest of Magellan started the hypnotism of the people of Zugbu now called Cebu. When I said hypnotized Filipinos, you should be intelligent enough to understand that that meant not every Filipino. To be clear and precise, if you need me to be, that meant majority of the people now called Filipinos. Of course, there should be few Filipinos who would be difficult to deceive and bamboozle.You better relearn your history of these people now called Filipinos. If you don’t want to reread Dr Jose Rizal’s two books, it would be your loss. Did I ever mention the word “Pope?” My ancestors were used to be called Batangan before this brave, intelligent, powerful, shrewd white guy and explorer  from far away place called Portugal suddenly appeared in Zugbu. Would there be a Catholic Church without the unfortunate arrival of Ferdinand Magellan? But I know you are smart and you should know that. Correct? So please avoid being a smart aleck. Just concentrate on this issue of RH bill. This is the goal of the Philippine Catholic Church… to muddle the issue and confuse the Filipinos of the benefit of the RH bill to the very poor and unsuspecting many, many poor Filipinos in the Philippines. The Catholic Religious Church is really good in lying, twisting the truth, corrupting the minds of the youth, making themselves to look like the good guys, etcetera, etcetera. To me, these Catholic Leaders are morally corrupt. Ano sa tingin ko? Sa tingin ko ay mulat ang mata mo subalit walang nakikita at maari ding may tenga ka subalit walang pandinig at maaring may buhay ka subalit manhid at walang pakiramdam sa kalagayan ng mga napakaraming mga batang nagkalat sa paligid na hindi kumakain at hindi marunong magbasa, magbilang at magsulat. Iyan ba ang gusto ng Simbahan mo upang laging alipin at busabos ang mga batang lumalaki? Iyan ay kung palarin silang mabuhay at hindi mamatay sa pagkabata. Kung lilikuming lahat ang mga batang Pilipinong mahihirap ng mayamang Simbahang Katolika at ang mga ito ay pakakainin at papag-aralin, ipinangangako ko sa iyo na ititikom ko na ang aking bibig. Baka kagaya mo, hahalikan ko rin ang madumi nilang kamay!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JH5GYLZBYJN6FYYUZQWKTSGO4U Boy Pac

    ang labo ng mga katwiran ng mga obispong katoliko.

  • browndarwinian

    The CBCP’s position on the RH debate can be summed up in one short sentence:

    “I reject reality and substitute my own.”

  • AsensadongPinoy

    If every law that has a proposed budget is perceived as a source of corruption then this country will not progress, that is backward thinking. Again not everyone in the country is Catholic, don’t deny others the privilege of information, preach in your Church, let your followers decide and don’t meddle with the state’s affairs.

  • padrefaura

    ang mga pari at mga madre ayaw ng contraception, pero sila mismo bawal magkaanak…..
    it just does not make sense. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC3LXIXDLXPN224JR6HP3PL3MQ reynaldo

    Animal sex is very much different from human sex. RH supporters do not see the distinction no matter how they try to sound sophisticated. Human beings are human beings and can not be equated to animals.

    • PikonNaKami

      Are you talking from experience?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ASDCGBBYPWXO3ZHZHHV6K7NXUA TERRY III

    Yet once again, the clerico-fascist arrogance of the Roman Catholic Church rears its ugly head! Do they not think that receiving dirty money from gambling institutions is not corruption itself? Before they accuse let them first examine themselves.  

    John 8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

  • alienpatriot

    Its quite simple. The Catholic Church heirarchy are the corrupt ones. Their attempt at controlling the country is disgraceful and tyrannical. They want to control their members and maintain their traditional control of the country. It is one church heirarchy against the will of the people. Let’s see who wins.

  • PikonNaKami

    Henrietta De Vlilla is the last person who should pontificate against corruption.  She is the person who exerted all her influence to ensure that NAMFREL will not be accredited as official watchdog and only the PPCRV, organization she represents, becomes the official Comelec watchdog.  During the 2010 elections, she headed the Random Manual Audit and she brazenly manipulated the results to ensure that the RMA results are close to the PCOS count.
    As a member of the 2013 COMELEC Advisory Council, she was the ONLY member who did not sign the resolution recommending that COMELEC not exercise the option to purchase the PCOS machine.  Why is De Villa afraid of bidding?  Why is she afraid of transparency?

    • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

      Its because she’s just another politician wannabe, capitalizing on any issue that she believes, can advance her personal cause(s).. 

  • doublecross

    whose corrupt…..yon naghihintay ng SUV at PAJERO….???????

    • Godfrey Buillon

      Wow please show us where the Pajeros were??? There was only one Bishop who got that, right? Now even the Senate apologized for the accusation. PNoy was quiet. Margie Juico was caught lying in youtube as she denied even saying the word “pajero” which she did. She did not apologize. Tsk Tsk Tsk, bearing false witness and defaming, those are grievous sins!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IC3LXIXDLXPN224JR6HP3PL3MQ reynaldo

    Human sex is proper to human beings and it can not be equated to animal sex. Animals when they are in heat just do it with anybody at anytime while human beings can make decisions to do it or not or with whom. Contraceptives is proper for animals because they can not control themselves unlike men and women. Therefore the RH supporters are equating human sex to animal sex and they do not see the very clear distinction. In countries which have adopted long ago the contraceptive mentality, human beings may now be killed through abortion, elders may now be terminated through euthanasia, families  and marriage are no longer valued and groups of people which are supposed to be called families but since the parents are not married,are they  just like herd. PNoy and his allies are committing the grandest corruption because not only money is involved here but families are corrupted, our people are corrupted, our morals are corrupted and people with corrupt morals, fiancial corruption is very natural. Does Noynoy understand this??? 

    • spearheads

      Exactly, but of course noynoy does not understand anything about it. I have been repeatedly posting that this RH Bill is a discreet way to abortion. Mabuti sana kung yang RH Bill ay puro condom at IUD lang ang pinagusapan. But the business focus of this RH Bill are the more expensive contraceptives. Common contraceptives now are abortifacents and this can be administered through pills and injections. I challenged all the yellows here to post medical reviews of abortifacents which are not cancer causing and extremely dangerous to the fetus. Furthermore, this RH Bill is a stepping stone. Look at the US. First they legalize it pero doon lang sa mga nakunan o siguradong patay na ang bata bago ipanganak. Then they legalize it but limited only to specific unwanted pregnancies like those resulting from rape at doon sa mga teens ay kailangan ang consent ng mga magulang. Recently, they legalized without the consent of the parents. What’s next, compulsory castration?

      Here’s a deal. Limit the RH Bill to condoms and IUD’s only and people will support it.

      • catmanjohn

        Hey Herbie… you and Ant Dick Adam are two maggot infested peas in the same pod. What whoar mother. (like yours) could ill conceived low life losers you, who try to portray his fellow man as a woman? Only a Ba boy pim p like you and Ant Dick would gravitate  to such thoughts. You 2 Corona rear end azz wipes are proof of the corrupt and falsely self righteous parasites that have infected the bowels of the Nation for too long. As to your envy of my given name… I was walking down the street with my beautiful German princess, and this crazy old man came up to us and waved his hand over my head and pronounced… ” You must be CatmanJohn… and from that day, my friends call me such. Eat your heart out. In the meantime, go tell your boss Gloria that I have the perfect smooth bore shaft that would fix all her back end problems, and they work better than those floppy machines Mickey peddles around.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Here’s my deal to these hypocrites who bristles at the pulpits claiming uncontrolled population growth is inconsequential insofar as the welfare of the expected thousands of babies born every hour in the country is concerned.  If the catholic church hierarchy do not have pedophiles, not known to cavort and sire children with women they employ or through acquaintances, not known to lie, YES by all means, I will believe these CBCP hierarchy can open the widest river in the country just like what Moses did. 

    • Godfrey Buillon

      You start your paragraph without a proper definition of terms. First tell us how priests are hypocrites. Lay the background for your premise. Second, tell us how the statistics as to your allegation of priests “cavorting” and those who are pedophiles… word has it that most of the cases of sexual abuse are not pedophile cases but GAY priests preying on teen-aged boys, that is not pedophilia!

  • sowhatifimfilipino

    hypocrisy, hypocrisy. I think the bishops should just kneel down in humility and pray. 

    • Godfrey Buillon

      Do you? Hypocrisy, hypocrisy!

  • martial_law_baby

    To the priest and nuns who are against RH Bill, lead by example. If you are pro life, then procreate!  

  • http://twitter.com/adrebusti Andre

    Ang gagaling naman ng mga Padre na to. Saan kayo kapag may mga bagyo, sunog, mga pinaalis sa skwater, baha…lahat ng mga taong apektado na yan walang pagkain at matutulyuyan ? puro lng kayo kolekta ng pera

  • carlcid

    The Catholic Church is acting like a spoiled brat. Just because it is the largest religious denomination int the Philippines, it feels that it is entitled to dictate religious and social policy. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MHBUYPBH6UUEIJXMEVKDCBVENI Roman

     Mga pari, magpakapon na lang kayo. Wala kayong pakialam sa pagpapamilya ng mga Pilipino. Di nga kayo nagbabayad ng buwis makikialam pa kayo sa mga Pilipino. Yang kinikita nyo sa mga niloloko nyong tagasunod nyo dinadala nyo sa Vaticano at di pinakikinabangan ng mga kababayan nating Pilipino. Mga ipokrito! Pinalayas na kayo ng mga Katipunero noong himagsikan, ngayon nandirito pa kayo.  At kayo rin ang nagpapatay sa pambansang bayani naming si Dr. Jose Rizal dahil ibinulgar ang mga maling aral ninyo.

    • boypalaban

       a yun pala ang dahilan ng pagpapapatay kay rizal?
      aral ka muna…wag magdunung-dunungan…
      may condom ako dito…gamit na…gusto mo pa gamitin?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L5FDTCLIEIIH3AF6Z237Y6FX3Y Mr. Lee

    Nako, nag-criticize ang mga damaso as if my nagbabayad sila ng tax. sana magcooperate nalang kayo mag-craft kung pano ma-fine tune ang bill. eg, avoid teaching in elem, purely educational campagn only and other measures aim to reduce the budget but not kill it.  para acceptable pra sa lahat dahil talaga naman kelangan i-educate ang citizens.  Kahit sa rome at iba countries, di ganun ang extent ng pakikialam ng church sa state.

  • http://twitter.com/adrebusti Andre

    Priests received SUVs – yan ang corruption

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A53TJTYYGGVH52ZXPMJBC22UVI neng

    I AM FOR THE RH BILL and I AM A CATHOLIC ! a thinking Catholic !

    • txtman

      KUNG TUNAY KANG CATHOLIC

      BINABABOY NA ANG SIMBAHAN MO
      WALA KA PA RIN GINAGAWA
      WORST KASAMA KA PA SA MGA NANBABABOYSA SIMBAHAN MO

      TAMA KA NGA

      A – THING- ING CAT-HOL-IC KA NGA

      WE ONLY NEED 10% TO HAVE A SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES
      3-5 MILLIONS

      OBVIOUSLY HINDI KA KATULAD NG MGA TAGA-INK
      MABABAW ANG PANINIWALA 

      PITIFUL

      • liquiduser

        bakit mo sya pinipilit? choice nya yan eh. And honestly, I don’t sense any faith in you. The way na mag salita ka, napaka arogante.

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        that is the problem with bigots and zealots

  • txtman

    TAMA NA
    SOBRA NA
    LABANAN NA ANG PAMBABABOY NILA SA ATING SIMBAHAN

    IT IS ABOUT TIME TO ORGANIZED GUYS
    MASKI 3-5 MILLIONS SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES LANG
    ABOUT 10% OF ALL CATHOLICS

    KAYA NATIN YAN
    WAG MANIWALA NA HINDI NATIN KAYA
    10% LANG YAN MGA GUYS
    VERY REALISTIC

    IT IS ABOUT TIME THAT OUR YOUTHS AND LAY PEOPLE HAVE LIST TO VOTE
    HINDI LANG ANG INK ANG MAY KARAPATAN GUMAWA NG LISTAHAN

    LETS ASSIGN A NEW YOUTH LEADER
    AND A NEW LAY PERSON LEADER

    3-5 MILLION SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES
    PANAHON NA
    PARA LABANAN ANG MGA BUMABABOY SA ATING SIMBAHAN
    JUST 10% GUYS

    KAYA NATIN YAN!
    HUMANDA NA KAYO

    THE RISE OF A SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES
    3-5 MILLIONS ACHIEVABLE

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

      Deluded. I hope you think sometimes, but I am sure the lobotomy has kept you an unquestioning italian catholic.

  • Twobeers

    These priests should get their heads out of their arses. The rythm method they promote simply doesn’t work. Even Gloria Estafen wront a song about it. The Rythm is going to get you. This should be a choice between a woman & her doctor. I heard excommunicate a while back. Are the priests going to excommunicate all the doctors too? Stick to the soul & keep out of politics.

  • txtman

    EVEN JUST 10% OF CATHOLICS WILL TAKE AN OATH TO VOTE 
        PEOPLE WHO RESPECT OUR CHURCH TEACHINGS IS ENOUGH

    3-5 MILLION SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES GUYS

    KAYA NATIN YAN

    TAMAN NA
    SOBRA NA
    LABANAN NA ANG MGA BUMABABOY SA ATING SIMBAHAN

    IT IS ABOUT TIME FOR A SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES

    • mnlmad

      You are crazy. The Catholic church has really corrupted your mind.

      • boypalaban

         and the corrupt politicians corrupted your sense of morality.

  • http://twitter.com/I_am_numERIC Eric Ausente

    I find the explanation and motive of Catholic Bishops clear enough. 

    Let’s not try to deviate from the issue. 

    If the government is concerned about Maternal health. Then the solution would be: they provide access to health care facilities and reproductive health education… NOT CONTRACEPTIVES. 
    Because… Here’s my point. We may agree to disagree: 

    The bill says:This bill is necessary for the protection of our women as it promotes reproductive health benefits, sex education, women and children’s rights and protection, promotion of family planning, etc.GOOD! That was awesome! However, almost all of the provisions encapsulated in this bill  can be seen in RA 9710 or ang Magna Carta of Women, RA 9262 or the Anti-Violence on Women and their Child Law, RA 6615 that seeks to extend medical assistance for emergency cases (kung nabasa nyo yung bill, alam nyo na kung alin dito yung redundant part din. Tama, yung mga babaeng NAG-UNDERGO SA ABORTION na nagkaroon ng KOMPLIKASYON, PASOK NA SILA SA BILL NA ITO. And yes, may TERM na “ABORTION” sa RH bill). Meron na rin tayong We already have PD 965, likewise that commands married couples to undergo Family Planning seminar. We have RA 8504 or known as  Philippine AIDS Prevention Act (of which, the title explains itself). For cheaper medicines, we have RA 9502 and the Executive Order 452 for better and free medical services for indigent families.
    SEE HOW REDUNDANT THAT BILL IS. THE bill contains almost all of the provisions (EXCEPT ONE). 

    And if you ask me what particular section in the provision not contained in other legislation but found in RH bill, is the provision that the government WOULD BE FUNDING FOR CONTRACEPTIVES which would be handed to people. The said FUNDS TO BE USED in the RH Bill is playing between 3-14 BILLION PESOS and possibly some parts of it goes to PURCHASE CONTRACEPTIVES. The TAX and LIFEBLOOD OF THE NATION HARD-EARNED FOR THE PEOPLE that are wanting an answer to some more important needs WILL BE REDUCED for condoms, pills, IUD purchase, etc.Just sharing my opinion. 

    • mnlmad

      Nothing wrong with government funding. Its being done all over the world. Its about time we get out from our medieval mold. YES to RH Bill.

  • ROVEN DINO

    “We can have more classrooms, more food, more jobs if we would be less corrupt,” sabi ni Soc Villegas— TUMPAK. INAMIN NIYA NA CORRUPT SILANG MGA BISHOP. LOL.
     

  • wehd1nga

    The cath0Iic church has sp0ken,,, RH BiII is dead, Pr0 RH p0Iiticians be warned y0ur days are numbered.

  • Royce Ramos

    A church that insists on how a country should be run and is not afraid to use extortion to threaten the political career/s of its law-makers IS corruption itself.

  • ROVEN DINO

    Nung sinabihan ni Mayor Lim sila Isko Moreno ng “Parang wala kayong kamatayan ah” Inakusahan siya ng grave threat.

    e di ..

    El-Shaddai leader Mike Velarde, in his speech before the Mass, said: “Those who vote for the RH bill. You know what will happen. RIP.”
    grave threat din ???!!!

  • amado_guerero

    90% of 100+ millions of people in the Philippines and all can they muster and hypnotized to join their rally was around 7k with 50% coming from the church itself…pweeee…this goes to show that majority of people does not believed on your cause…..Bishops ano may sarili kayong gobyerno ninyo even ITALY the seat of Roman catholic has RH bill…pweeeee…Let us be Pro-quality of life!!!

  • wehd1nga

    Oratio Imperata in English:

    God, our loving Father, Creator and Lover of all Life, You fashioned in your own image and likeness every human person.

    Give us the courage to defend human life and protect it from conception to natural death.

    Let your Spirit enlighten the minds and open the hearts of those who do not yet fully respect all human life, according to your Will. We pray for all our leaders and legislators who will deliberate on the Reproductive Health Bill. May they be guided by the grace of the Holy Spirit to decide responsibly, for the good of every family, and the good of all.

    Oh Mary, our Ina, Our Lady of Peñafrancia, to you we entrust the cause of life.

    We make our prayer through Christ our Lord. Amen

    • mnlmad

      The Lord wants us to have quality of life over quantity of life. Please don’t be a blind follower of the church. You want more children to suffer? You want more mothers to die? You want more uneducated children? You want more babies at Fabella hospital? Punta ka under the bridges and talk to families living there. Ang pagka-Katoliko mo mas OA pa kesa sa Italy,Spain and all over the Catholic world. Ako I’m a Catholic and I believe in the basic dogma and doctrine of the church but when it comes to moral issues, the church is not always right.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

      Gibberish 

  • titod

    Marcos started family planning in RP. Cory came and closed them all down. Now GMA is against the RH Bill and Pnoy is for it. Ano ba yan ?

  • ROVEN DINO

    tanong ko lang… mahigit 2000 years ng namatay si Kristo, bakit hanggang ngayon humihingi ng abuloy ang simbahan???? Tsaka kung muling nabuhay si Kristo,di ba dapat walang abuloy???

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_A53TJTYYGGVH52ZXPMJBC22UVI neng

    Catolico ako pero minsan sumasama na ang loob ko sa aking simbahan, para na silang kabayo na tumatakbong may piring ang tabe ng mata. 

     Ang daming gutom sa labas ng simbahan; wala man lang soup kitchen na magpahigop ng sabaw sa mga gutom kahit isang beses man lang sa isang lingo gayung ang daming donation. 

    Ang mga hospitals at schools ng mga madre at padre, sobra ang mahal;  wala silang paki alam kahit marami ang umiiyak at nagkanda utang utang dahil nakulangan ng bayad, 

    Yan ba ang pro-poor at pro morals ? 

    Hinde ito ang simbahan na kinagisnan ko. Ang pari nuon, sukdang maghirap sila, pagsisilbi sa Diyos at katauhan ang alam, ngayon, dami sa kanila, siguro 90%, naka kotse, sarap kinakain, may katulong, may labandera, etc ….. iilan na lang ang di pa na corrupt ng donasyun. 

    ganun pa man, di pa rin ako aalis sa simbahang tinatag ni Christo, I may be the last man standing pero kahit pa mapuno ng salbahe ang simbahang catolico, di ako bibitiw sa iniwan ni Christo..hihintayin ko ang pagbabago.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    The church will see more dead infants left at church doors. The poor are neglected by the church. It’s “no” to RH bill, but it does not provide for better alternative. If there is no RH bill, what shall we do with the poor families. Corruption has been addressed already by Noynoy and still a big problem.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HOCSZLQBWVGXXI2NZJ2P7LMPHA Leond Yobar

    Inquirer head line today is misleading you are agitating the scenario for you have more sales to catch your headlines. You are still immature in print journalism vs nationalism. What there to laugh for where playing the mind of the Filipino people your interest is on sales only. You are SICK.

  • hapiman85

    An impending danger lurks in our over-populated country. The real corruption lies in the combination of two evils: Charter Change and Anti-RH Bill maneuvers. It will entail death to millions of Filipinos as the rise of power of one socialist dictatorship reduces world population to 5.5 billion.

  • ashleybulls

    WAG PO TAYONG MAGPALINLANG SA MGA CBCP.  ANG CORRUPSYON AY ANG PAGTANGGAP NG PAJERO SA MGA TAONG TULAD NI GLORIA MACAPAGAL ARROYO NA NILILITIS NGAYON DAHIL SA PAGKAMAL SA PERA NG TAONG BAYAN. ANG RH BILL AY PROGRAMA NA GUSTONG ITATAG NG GOBYERNO MULA SA ATING BUWIS UPANG MAMILI ANG MAG-ASAWA SA MAAYOS NA PAMAMARAAN KUNG PAPANO  ITATAGUYOD ANG ISANG PAMILYA. ANG TAWAG PO DITO AY RESPONSABLENG PAGPAPAMILYA. 

    SA MGA OBISPO, WAG NIYO PONG LINLANGIN ANG MAMAMAYAN AT SILAY PANIWALAIN NA ANG RH BILL AY CORRUPTION. ANG MAGNEGOSYO AT MAGKAMAL NG KITA NA HINDI NAGBABAYAD NG BUWIS AY SIYANG IHALINTULAD NIYO SA CORRUPTION. ANG PAMUMUNO NG VATICAN SA PHILIPPINE CATHOLIC CHURCH NA SIYANG TUMATANGGAP NG PERA SA PCSO ANG SIYANG TANUNGIN NATING MGA FILIPINO. ITONG MGA CATHOLIC BUSINESSES BA AY NAGBABAYAD NG BUWIS, ANG CBCP BA AY NAGBABAYAD NG BUWIS? 

    SOBRA NA!!! TAMA NA!!!  MAGISING NA TAYONG LAHAT!!!

  • kayanatwo

    04aug2012

    bishop villegas definition of infidelity is erap, revellia et al way of procreation. bishop villegas sure is blind to how millions of his poorest flock lived their daily lives.
    may his creator show him the light.

  • titod

    China has shown how much human capital is worth. Sino ba gumagawa ng iphone, ipad, etc ? Hindi robots yan, tao yan ! Bakit sila meron trabaho, yung pinoy wala ? Kasi po, yung mga tsino pinag-aral ng bayan tsina. Sila bilyon-bilyon, uma-asenso, bakit tayo hindi ? Kasi yung dating alipin ng kastila, ng kano, ng hapon, ay yun ngayon ang nang-aapi ng kapwa nila Pinoy. Tayo ang sarili nating kaaway pero tayo rin ang sa huli ang sarili nating solusyon.

    • Crysis_III

      UU sinusweldohan sila $6.00 a day. Ang ganda ng Human Capital no?

  • wehd1nga

    “You heard when candidate, now President Noynoy Aquino said during his campaign, “Kung walang corrupt, walang mahirap (without corruption, there will be no poverty),” The president faiI t0 beat c0rrupti0n  s0 he’s n0w saying Kung waIang ANAK waIang MAHIRAP, N0 T0 RH BiII.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W4RTNUSX3BQCWCDQAA562BFC5I Lito G

      wehhhhhh di nga?????

    • mnlmad

      Definitely YES to RH Bill! Its about time.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AJWQQFTCJLEKEIMJEZXWZO2IDE Shun U

    The use of government money, taxpayers’ money to give out (conditional cash transfers to the poor) is corruption. (Conditional cash transfers to the poor) teach us it is all right to (let your children go to school and
    let pregnant women to get regular check-ups at health centers) provided (the government is paying you). (Children) are a nuisance. 
    The Catholic Church believes that sex is procreative AND unitive (taken from the Church teachings of Humanae Vitae). And what’s the difference between practicing “natural contraception” and “artificial contraception” if the goal is the same: avoid making babies?

    • mnlmad

      Subukan mong sabihan ang mga squatters to practice natural family planning! Right now ang mga rich and middle class intelligent people are practicing na kaya planado ang families nila. Ang mga mahihirap napakaraming anak na hindi naman napapag- aral, hindi nakaka kain ng masustansya, palaboy- laboy sa kalsada. Sabihan mo yung mga nagkakariton na mag natural family planning. Sira ba ulo mo? Gusto mo ba na every time mag sex ay mabuntis ang babae? Lord help us with people like you.

  • txtman

    AYAW NILANG MAKINIG SA ATIN?

    IT IS ABOUT TIME
    BE MORE ACTIVE

    IBA NA ANG PANAHON NGAYON
    LET’S HAVE A SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES
    JUST 10% GUYS
    3-5 MILLIONS SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES

    TAMA NA
    SOBRA NA
    PANAHON NA PARA LABANAN ANG MGA BOMABABOY SA ATING SIMBAHAN

    BASAHIN NINYO MGA COMMENTS NG MGA PRO-RH
    PAMBABABOY MGA SINUSULAT NILA SA ATING SIMBAHAN

    MANANAHIMIK KA NA LANG BA?
    HAHAYAAN MO NA LANG BA YURAKAN NILA ANG ATING SIMBAHAN?

    WAKE-UP GUYS

    IT IS ABOUT TIME TO HAVE A SOLID CATHOLIC VOTES
    3-5 MILLIONS GUYS
    KAYA NATIN YAN

    WAG MANIWALA NA HINDI NATIN KAYA YAN

    LETS HAVE NEW YOUTH LEADERS IN EACH CHURCH
    LETS HAVE NEW LAY LEADERS IN EACH CHURCH

    IPATANGGOL ANG ATING SIMBAHAN

    • 12JEM

       Support the passage of RH Bill…..To reduce the incidence of AIDS…..
      AIDS….Acute Income Deficiency Syndorme….AKA Grinding Poverty

    • 12JEM

       More than 70% of Catholics…….Sumusoporta sa RH Bill…

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        maybe the numbers are higher..

      • boypalaban

         saang survey yan?
        sabi kasi nila pagkain, trabaho at disenteng bahay ang kailangan nila e…bukod pa sa pera…meron ba niyan sa RH Bill?

    • Crysis_III

      There’s no reason for you to capitalized what you wrote. Only Pigs do that….

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        and the benighted

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_W4RTNUSX3BQCWCDQAA562BFC5I Lito G

      At kelan ka pa naging relihiyoso?

      Kung meron man bumababoy sa Katolikong Simbahan eh sila mismong para pari dahil sila mismo ang umaabuso sa mga kabataan, lalaki man o babae… ‘yan ang dahilan kung bakit tuloy na bumababa ang bilang ng mga nagsisimba…. linisin muna nyo ang imahe ng simbahan kesa laging nakikialam sa pulitika.

    • mnlmad

      We are just thinking Catholics. Its not the church, its the Filipino bishops running the church that give it a bad name.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DEU7VDYWEDLWONECWJ47FFNH7A Danny

    Let’s not be side blinded by this kind of grand standing of the CBCP. Catholicism, may I repeat, Catholicism is keeping us to remain in the pit of poverty.  So, I would like to call the attention of all Filipinos, specially the students of this present generation, who always dream for the greatness of our country, please do some research. I would like to recommend to read the following works of the real God-fearing and patriotic citizens: “Smokescreen”, “50 Years in the Church of Rome”, “The Dark Side of Catholicism”. I’m sure you will be amazed of the deception and the real intent of these disciples of the CBCP.

  • Facilitator1

    Siguro, I’m one of many PINOYs who grew up as a CATHOLIC and as such, had been taught that the Roman Catholic Church is infallible/unquestionable, to include absolute reverence/obedience to its leaders (lay ministers, nuns, priests, bishops, etc.). However…

    IMHO, CBCP and its supporters are partially responsible for the ROAD BLOCKS to our nation’s progress/prosperity and the desire/ability to feed/care for its citizenry.

    Numerous times, the Roman Catholic Church was accused (either openly or subtly) of having an ulterior/selfish motive. I think it’s about time for the Church to come clean and be challenged to EXCEL. COMMON SENSE asserts the RICHER the faithful, the higher probability of bigger donations. So it’s a WINNING PROPOSAL for the Church to champion/support planned parenthood. Ergo, the Church will secure a favorable feedback suggesting it’s NOT only a place of worship; but also, an advocate of progress/charity/tolerance… 

    In the matter of CONTRACEPTION–per the good bishop–equating it to CORRUPTION. We, as a nation, must zealously guard our limited funds against improper usage and most specially, not in the pockets of the CORRUPT. Again IMHO, this conjecture is just a devious PLOY to confuse the issue.

    Yes, I agree that POVERTY is gripping our nation. As per the bishops and politicians, we need MORE classrooms for our children, MORE food (ideally, better quality of nourishment) on the table, and MORE jobs for the under/over/unemployed. But without planned parenthood, these desires/aspirations will increase exponentially and unabated. Now, we are only using the word MORE but irresponsible parenthood will change it to MUCH MORE…

    Juan dela Cruz must choose between the devil and the deep blue sea (pardon the pun) or between a rock and a hard place. Whatever the choice, we as a nation, must unite and cooperate for the betterment of our country. Sabi nga ng three MUSKETEERS: “ALL FOR ONE and ONE FOR ALL.”

    PEACE

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AYP7JZ5VA7DGPWTLJEXYRYTEZM Goodson5

    The Church has no choice but to preach the word of God. The Catholic Church will not surrender the Faith and the faithful understands who is supreme in this world but God. Our country was not a victim of overpopulation but corruption. Pnoy has not addressed corruption entirely because 95 percent of politicians who are in power now are still corrupt. My dear compatriots, let us not get blinded by the vanities of this world but continue to follow the word of God. God will provide us no matter what. No man will not get hungry if he wishes to work hard and pray. If we die, we rather die for the Lord.

    • brunogiordano

      “because 95 percent of politicians who are in power now are still corrupt.”
      TAMA!!

      at sila ang mga kapanalig na sinusuportahan at pinagtatangol ng mga OBISPO labis na nakikinabang sa mga kurakot ng mga CORRUPT na TAO.

      hinahadlangan ng mga OBISPO ANG PAG-USIG SA KANILA tulad ng paghadlang nila sa RH Bill.

      ang nais ng RH bill ay maiwasan na may batang namamatay sa GUTOM NG DILAT.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

      The Italian church is a 2,000 year old corporation where the chief financial executives enjoy luxurious lifestyles. Look at the history, past and present. Of course they want the ignorant to keep on giving them money, is spite of the fact that  they are one of the largest stockholders in Bank of Philippine Islands, Philex, San Miguel Corporation. It is simply a financial affair and people be damned.

  • titod

    Kahit saan, yung mahirap ang lagi nila hangad dumami. Survival instinct baga, kung nag-iisa lang sila, mamatay lang sila. Kung meron silang anak, meron silang katulong. Kitang-kita natin ito sa mga mahihirap na bata na tumutulong sa mga magulang nila. Kung ayaw natin sila dumami, dapat tulungan natin sila. 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TNASVGXZ23VCJWV7KO7WPDIKKI George

      mabuti pang mamatay ng mag-isa kaysa maghasik ka pa ng lagim. dude, if you can afford to raise your children properly, most likely will end up as criminals, prosti, or useless uneducated individual. this is the main point why we have to stop having children if you can’t afford to give them a decent life. problema mo is the old age pinoy useless attitude of “bahala na”.

      • titod

        Hindi isolated ang problem sa Pinas, global ito. Panahon pa ni Jesus, andhiyan na sila. Bumamaba siya dito sa lupa para sa kanila. Kung tingin mo sa kanila basura ang tingin niya kaiba. 

        Sabi nga sa fb, marami nga ba sila or marami lang silang patong-patong sa isang sulok. 

  • EOJ

    RH is for better quality of life and better rep health for women especially the poor.

    Quality of life is more important than sperm cells.

    Not even the 500,000 hakot of INC was able to sway lawmakers in April.

    • jbadge

      You seem to side with the RH Bill, but at the same time, you seem to mock the INC that also backs the RH Bill… I don’t understand your point. 

      • EOJ

         The point is, churches should focus on evangelizing not politicking.

      • titod

        The poor is an inconvenience everyday except on election day. The church is the only voice the poor has. They have no advocates except the religious and the Catholic Church at that.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

        The italian church is a parasite that sucks the life of the poor while the bishops wallow in food and Pajeros from Mrs. Arroyo. Let the bishops live among the poor instead of their palaces. Make them live from day to day and they will not be singing the old men’s song.

      • jbadge

        OK, but why target the INC and not the Catholic church even more? It has been aggressively and openly staging protests opposing the RH Bill.

  • ref ger

    I wonder if those  who will vote  in favor of RH Bills and those who will support those candidates will be  able to ask God to help the Philippines and the Filipinos and themselves. Lord Help us.

    • mnlmad

      We’re praying to God that the RH Bill gets passed. Our conscience dictates that it is the moral thing to do. People like you are causing millions of Filipinos to suffer. Stop being a hypocrite.

  • http://www.facebook.com/freediets Katy Kremlin

    The bishops are extremely outdated. The Pope himself says in his book Light of the World: The Pope, the Church, and the Signs of the Times, that contraception can be “a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality”. No where in his speech does the bishop acknowledge that.

  • yesyesyo

    Again, misinformation to mislead the public.

    My wife had ligation last year and there was no corruption in it.

    • titod

      ayaw niya kasi lumaki pa yung lahi niyo

  • titod

    China now regrets their social experiment of 1 family 1 child. So many Chinese girls have been sacrificed for sons. Now men vastly outnumber women in China, creating a social imbalance. Corruption pervades their abortion clinics, with the poor paying a heavy price and the rich getting a pass. In 20 years or less, China’s productive labor force will shrink because of a steadily aging population. In light of all this evidence, why is the Philippines insisting on the RH bill ? 

    Perhaps because the corrupt needs more resources that what little is left to the poor, they still wish to take. I doubt corruption is diminishing in the Phil. It may actually be getting worse !

    • Bart

      RH bill is not a 1 child policy. lol

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HLH7H73OZNDPNXIZGJTQJ7K4LA Filcanpam

      the fear effect & misinformation campaign again, pwe! bubuhayin mo ba ang 6 kung anak, pakakainin mo?

    • mnlmad

      Over population is the real cause of poverty in the Philippines. What you’re saying about China is  total nonsense!

    • pej1972

      Eng, san mo naman nabasa na regret yan ng China. Kagagaling ko lang don 1 child policy pa rin sila.

    • Facilitator1

      Although I respects your opinion, my HUNCH is that you or your group have a hidden agenda or at very least, confusing the issue–NO OFFENSE.

      Clarificatory comments: RH Bill can’t be compared to China’s Population Control. The  former advocates responsible parenthood while the latter is sometimes considered sex- selective INFANTICIDE. Your comparison is liken to a common cliché: APPLES and ORANGES.

      I totally agree with you that our country is afflicted with widespread CORRUPTION. It’s everywhere, either in the PRIVATE or PUBLIC SECTOR. It’s just the degree of contamination that is open for argumentation. It’s the duty of every PINOY, either young or old, Catholic or not, rich or poor to passionately or intensely guard against all forms of corruption. PEACE…

    • Pedro Mateo

      why is the Philippines insisting on the RH bill ?  Answer: for you to decide,Please visit the squatters nearest your place and stay there for 1 week and this will change your perspective. You may also visit the hinterlands where their are 10 children in the family and live there for a week, just bring your own provision. If you don’t want just tune in the show in GMA News Channel and see the Reel time program, I witness, etc. . 

  • Crispin Abarientos

    the Catholic Church one of the most corrupt institution in this world.

    • titod

      Bakit si Pinoy laging nagsisimba ?

      • FORTHE GOOD

        Ako rin nagsisimba. para magdasal sa Diyos hindi para sambahin ang damaso.

    • tagahuron

      oh really? where’s your documentation?

      • Crispin Abarientos

        why don’t you do your own research rather than following whatever somebody tells you. I can give you hundreds of documents but a blind man like you who believe that the Catholic Church can’t do nothing wrong would still be blind.

    • FORTHE GOOD

      May I add, one of the most corrupt and most perverted institutions in the world.

  • Crysis_III

    Ang MITSUBISHOP ay ang tunay na corruption at hindi ang pagplano ng pamilya…

    • tagahuron

      your name truly speaks who you are.

    • mnlmad

      Palitan mo na nga naman ang name mo. Hindi maganda sa mga forums like this. Yes to RH Bill.

      • Crysis_III

        Bakit ko naman palitan, YES to RH bill naman ako…hahaha.

  • andrew lim

    Kung walang mga bishop, walang mahirap!

    Kung walang mga prayle, walang ignorante!

    Pass the RH bill!

    • tagahuron

      Kung walang bully walang kagaya mo.

      • andrew lim

        enggg…..hindi ryhme yan, tulad nung sa akin…..

    • Filpino

      paano mo naman naisip yan? alam mo ba na isang prayle ang nakadiscover ng genes ng tao at isang prayle rin na sinasabi mong ignorante ang nakapagbigay ng theory of the Big Bang Universe. At marami pang mga prayle ang nagbigay ng maraming conributions thru studies and discoveries sa siyensya na pinag-aralan mo na marahil sa eskwelahan. Sino ba ang maraming mga tinatag na organisasyon para magpalaganap ng Salita ng Dios sa mga liblib na lugar sa buong mundo at sino bang samahan ang maraming tinatag sa pagtulong sa mga mahihirap at nagugutom na regardless of religion; ginagawa yan ng simbahang Katoliko. So sino sa tingin mo ang ignorante. Ang mga katolikong tahimik lang sa kanilang mga na contributes sa lipunan. O ang mga katulad mo na nagdudunungdunungan?

      • andrew lim

        e bakit mas matindi ang corruption sa mga Catholic countries kesa sa mga Protestant countries?  Look at Transparency International Corruption Index.  The top  5 are protestant. No Catholic country in top 10.

    • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

      Karamihan ng mga pari mga ipokrito.kunwari nagmamalasakit sa kapwa pero number 1 naman sa korapsyon ang mga paring katoliko.dapat ang mga paring katoliko at ang simbahan ng katoliko ay kunan na rin ng tax.Kayong mga membro ng katoliko matagal na kayong nagbubulagbulagan.mamulat na kayo.Yong pera ninyo na ipinanaabuloy ang mga pari lang ang nakikinabang.Magagarang bahay at mga sasakyan ang mga gamit ng mga pari,mga bishop sabihin na natin mga leaders ng katoliko.Samantala maraming mga katoliko ay nasa gitna ng mga kalsada na nagpapalimos kasama mga bata, at nasa vicinity ng mga simbahan din hindi nililingap.Yan ang tunay na CORRUPTION.

  • tagahuron

    Pnoy is lying to his teeth when he says that contraceptives will be provided by the government for “free”. WHere do you think the government gets the money? From Pnoy’s own pocket? It’s paid for by taxpayers, both pro and anti. And if Pnoy thinks the government has a right to do so, then he is not far from being a dictator.

    • mnlmad

      Ang OA mo naman. All over the world contraceptives are provided free by their governments.

      • titod

        mali yata yung facts mo, sa mga muslim bawal yan

      • tamumd

        NOT true..Bangladesh has RH laws. Iran has RH laws!!!

      • mnlmad

        Well why don’t your try living in a Muslim world? Perhaps you’ll understand.

    • FORTHE GOOD

      That’s why the RH bill provides budget so that the poor can have access to them.

  • GOPHILIPPINESGO

    Damaso, bago ka manghusga, linisin mo muna ang yong sariling mukha. Itigil nyo na ang kurapsyon sa simbahan at sexual harassment sa buong mundo. Magbayad kayo ng buwis. Bakit ang mga catholic schools ang mahal ng tution samantalang hindi na nga nagbabayad ng buwis? At higit sa lahat isabuhay nyo ang vow of poverty. Dun kayo tumira sa mga totoong bahay kubo.

    • titod

      siguro ang dapat na tanong, bakit meron pang catholic schools ? Di ba trabaho dapat ng matino na pamahalaan yan ? Pero sabi ng isang titser, para sa condoms meron P3B, sa titser wala.

      • kulittwit

         You refuse to see all the public schools in almost all barangays.

  • Bidang

    Pro RH politicians will surely win in the coming elections opposite to the statement of bishop gabriel reyes…survey tells most of the people want the RH bill to be passed..

    • wehd1nga

      and wh0 paid f0r the surveys

      • liquiduser

        of course yan sasabihin mo kasi hindi in favor sa iyo yung result ng survey. pero kung pro-rh ang lalabas sa survey for sure valid sa iyo yun. lol

  • tagahuron

    To all pro-RH Bill: Ask your own mothers and fathers if you were considered an unwanted child and why they didn’t abort you. Then comeback and post your convincing argument here why you want the RH Bill.

    • liquiduser

      did your parents considered you as an unwanted child tagahuron?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VUUPQDZGVIWUXBAAK4XCM3VC2E crispino pelino

      do not ask the people who have access to the internet. go to squatters’ areas, dumpsites, under bridges and fly-overs and ask them, and maybe you will understand. obviously you are enjoying the good life in your province.

    • rjimenez1226

      You shouold have been aborted.

    • tamumd

      You keep repeating the same question Mr. Lake Huron!!! Do you have any other questions? It’s getting old.

  • usaf9

    Bishop Villegas and your saintly companions; please dahan dahan lang kayo.Please be careful with your words . The way you lambast the president is unchristian like. As models you are the advocate of soft words and not violent reactions thru rallies. If stone is thrown to you, or slapped your face, you know very well how to retaliate. Be patient. Response in soft words to gain respect. That way your flock will listen and will be convinced.    

  • parak_obama

    puro kabig ang simbahan ultimo mga upuan donated by ganito and ganito pero walang ibinabalik sa mga tao bagkus ang lakas pa ng loob makialam sa affairs ng state. magbayad kayo ng buwis,huwag tumanggap ng donation mula sa mga jueteng lords at drug lords at mga corrupt na  pulitiko ,ibaba ang matrikula sa mga catholic schools o kung pwede magtayo ng libreng eskwelahan at ospital para sa mga mahihirap baka dagdagan pa namin ang abuloy o donation kada misa pag ginawa niyo yan at tanggalin sa pag ka pari ang mga pari na nangmomolestiya ng bata hindi yung pagtatakpan o ililipat lang kung saan saan . then only then na makikinig kami sa inyo..peace!

  • virgoyap

    The statement that “contraception is corruption” is just a kind of palusot.

  • liquiduser

    Akala mo sinong malilinis itong mga paring ito. May mga pari kayang nambababae at mga may bisyo. Dont forget one vehicular accident incident involving a drunk priest na muntik pang tumakas. ang kakapal ng muka!

  • Royce Ramos

    The ratio of creation of new jobs versus the rate of population is severely imbalanced.  The church seems to downplay the correlation between overpopulation and sustainable economy.  It is irresponsible of them to pressure the government into magically ‘improving the economy’ while they do their part to make it worse.  It isn’t even constitutionally legal for churches to sway legislation with their PERCEIVED majority vote.  I respect PNoy for putting his stately duties above his personal religious beliefs.  Because if it’s one thing the churches here have forgotten is that religion is a personal choice, not something you force into society or country.  God and country are two separate things entirely.  If you believe otherwise then you surely enjoy living in the dark ages, the same ones that saw the burning of witches, the subjugation of women under men, and the belief that it is the ‘will’ of a supposedly loving and benevolent god that you should embrace your poverty and suffering.  Keep your religion to yourself, and let our country recover from the effects of hundreds of years of flawed dogma.

  • FORTHE GOOD

    Their rally was a show of weakness and misinformation. They can only hakot 7,000. The iglesia ni manalo was not even able to sway the lawmakers with half a million hakot crowd.

    Those damasos are total failures. They can not even convince most catholics to regularly attend sunday mass.

  • trav man

    Are the faith of the catholics so weak that the bishops have to resort to this?????? If their faith is strong; why worry about the RH bill???????????? Catholics are not meant to be using contraceptives anyway!!!!

  • trav man

    If only the bishops are as proactive as this when there were paedophiles amongst them preying on the innocent!!!!

    • doki budoki

      or as vocal in excommunicating the corrupt politicians! but no, all they are obsessed about is sex and sex morality!

      • Sarkasmos

         The bishops allied themselves with the discredited GMA during her presidency and even after. CBCP can never be a force against corruption. It is a stumbling block to progress.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HLH7H73OZNDPNXIZGJTQJ7K4LA Filcanpam

    Lahat ng mga anti-RH bill na binata ay mga sakristan o mga bading na sakristan o semininarista. 100% guaranteed. Kasi wala silang idea kung gaano kagastos ang mag-supporta o mag-paaral ng bata or Either loser in life na lumaking istambay at nag-anak tapos nag-anak iyong anak- iyong bagang sinipat at tinadyakan na ng kahirapan (para sa kanya ang buhay ay ganoon na lang)

  • trav man

    To all those families out there that are heavily burden with 6-15 children; unable to feed, clothe and even school. Guess what! The catholic church, its bishops, its schools have opened up their doors to feed, clothe and school them! ……. but will you? They might get sexually abused!!!!

    • Crispin Abarientos

      what are you talking about, send your kinds to a catholic school they are one of the most expensive schools in the country. they don’t feed you, clothe, or educate your kids for free. as a matter of fact, they might sexually abuse your kids, ha ha,

    • IzaSantos

      korek. learn from ur parents’ mistake. you use birth control ok?  :) 

  • liquiduser

    Magkano kaya kinikita ng mga paring ito sa mga mahihirap?mas madaming anak, syempre mas madaming binyag at libing. malaki nga naman income loss. lol

  • GMMTC11

    This catholic priests are the corruption itself. If they are really true to their vows then we should see them instead from rallies to helping out the needy from the donations they received. We should see them guiding those displaced squatters and those street kids. It is sad but they just want you to kneel and be fooled.

  • Hey_Dudes

    Bishop monsignor please bless me for I have sinned.  Yes my child confess your sins so you can be forgiven……..  Father, last night I have sex with 4 women without condoms it was all quickies and now I regret for these women are likely to get pregnant.  I am jobless all 4 women lacks education and work as domestic and if 4 babies are born there is no future for them.  What to do father?  My child….hallelujah!  You have not sinned at all.  In my eyes you are a hero because you have contributed to mankind go forth make more babies and don’t worry if they will have no future.  That is for others to worry not you and certainly not us.  Your penalty – 10 hip hip hoorays and 5 jolly good show George.  Mabuhay ka please don’t forget to leave your donation by the door.

    • titod

      Do you think condoms would have made you a better person ? We emerged from 5 centuries of slavery only to find ourselves enslaving our fellow men. Shame on us ! 

      So sino ngayon ang nagpadami ng mahirap, yung mahirap ba o yung mayaman at makapangyarihan ? 

    • diamond_digger

       Another version of your story Hey_Dudes goes like this: The monsignor hearing the confession exclaimed, Your sin is very complicated as it is not only adultery but you are a liar. The bishops and priests who have good food, vitamins and obviously in good health could just only afford to have sex with a maximum of 2 women in a night, how much more for you (the confessing parishioner) who is jobless and certainly couldn’t afford what we priests and bishops could. You truly have sinned! Hahahaha!

    • IzaSantos

      kaya kayo nawawalan ng suporta kasi ganyan kayo umasta.  di nyo maitago kulay nyo. wala eh… dami tlga bastos sa hanay nyo. mga patapon.

    • tamumd

      Hahahahahahahahaha!! Love the absolution – 10 hip hip hoorays and 5 jolly good show george. That’s a good one!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HZPNFZAQUILH5A72O27WFLZNAA angelito

    kayong mga pari tumutulong ba kayo pag may mga taong nasalanta ng bagyo,yung mga OFW na mga pina uuwi, yung mga walang pera para sa taong walang pang hospital,yung mga pamilya nakatira sa mga bangketa,ang galing galing ninyong komontra sa mga programa ng gobyerno bakit hindi kayo magbigay sa mga mahihirap,mayroon kayong mga banko, catholic school,hindi naman kayo nag babayad ng tax, kaya gusto ninyong dumami tao para dumami ang abuloy ninyo,yumayaman kayo pero wala kayong pag ibig sa kapwa para tumulong,ha? pinag kakakitaan ninyo pa tuwing election , di ba? Mike Velarde.saan mo dinadala ang pera ng mga member mo? nagtatanong lang!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HLH7H73OZNDPNXIZGJTQJ7K4LA Filcanpam

    yes I asked my dad – and he said If he had that choice, he would had planned our family & to give us a better school, a better health care  – hindi maagang namatay si nanay etc etc

  • Crispin Abarientos

    look at what the priest is wearing. it must be pretty expensive. they don’t care about the ordninary filipino, marami silang donation.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UQS7B3VREY2WSEZEYZT7T6RMVY Jorgegabriel

    We read reports of  Human Fetuses left in various places, at the airport, churches, trashcans and elsewhere. Are these not signs that there must be a rule. . See our children roaming in the streets, di ba kayo naaawa, di ba kayo nagigising pa? Nagkalat ang mahihirap sa ilalim ng tulay sa ibabaw ng tulay, sa gilid ng tulay, sa paligid ng tulay, Basura ay nagkalat pati ba mga anak natin ikakalat natin, Mahiya naman kayo Pilipino huwag ninyong hayaang manatili na tayo nga ay mga Stuoidong Indio. Ngayon na ang Panahon mabuo ang Isang Batas pera sa Birth Control, We are multifying like the Rats and many of Us now live like a Rats,  Now People read This, A study was made putting 2 Rats in a cage, leaving them with enough foods for both , they consumed it within months. A 50 small rooms was provided for their coming siblings. The day came the 2 becomes 12 and in months they become 120 the rooms cannot  accomodate them anymore , The equivalent food given lasted only for a day, There are in fightings for food  space and the next is Chaos, This is what is happening now to Us. And You followers of Christ havent Notice? Maybe you are DumB?

    • titod

      Mother Teresa is the best model in the world for the pro-poor. Nobody came to pick up the dying on the streets of Calcutta. But she did and now her work lives on all over the world. And people are not rats.

      • legnasagra

        You maybe right and sincere in your words but not everyone is as strong as you are, that’s the reason why laws are created, to guide people and regulate mistakes. Man is weak by nature that he couldn’t resist earthly desire. If everyone is strong and and saintly sincere, then there will be no need for so many laws to maintain order. 

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Disagree.

        Read the reports on how Mother Teresa perpetuated pain and suffering, and dependence upon her and her organization.  She would not help in the traditional medical sense that would heal the sick, rather, perpetuate their suffering so that they can rely on their faith, and so be closer to God.

        These were reported by some of the very volunteers, of the medical profession who, up and left simply because they can no longer bear to see people in constant pain without acting upon it in the proper sense. You can read all about it by googling the information.

        In the same way, the church perpetuates the poor, and those independent in the church, so there will be a church.  Gone are the days when man, who after  sin,  would realize God and willingly convert to his teachings.  Now we have the church who will scare everyone into eternal damnation just so that they will remain ‘faithful.’  You have a church who will let the poor, remain poor, unenlightened, devoid of any options except the will of the church.

  • kulittwit

    Sabi ng mga damaso, ang sex ay para lang sa procreation. ibig sabihin bawat sex ay dapat magkakaroon ng supling. Pag walang supling, mali at makasalanan ang sex.

    Pano na ang biological need ng isang normal na tao? Kailangan yon at least kahit isang beses isang buwan. kung susundin ang utak ng mga damaso, taon taon magbubuntis ang babae.

    Ang natural method na withdrawal ay makasalanan din dahil hindi nga magkakaroon ng procreation. ang natural method ay walang pinagkaiba sa conraception dahil pareho itong mag reresulta na walang procreation.

    • titod

      In my youth I had the same doubts. Today, in middle-age, trust me sex is highly over-rated. When the kids come, you will be too busy for sex and your wife who owns her own body, will start saying no. But then, life with the kids and your partner will take over and bring their own rewards and happiness.

      Tama ang mga pari, sex is exclusively for pro-creation, to build the family unit. If you stray away from this, you will end up like Dolphy with a lot of kids to support. Siya he had resources. You might not. Yung mga bakla diyan, ayan puro sex. AIDS naman kalaban nila. And because they have no family, they are never really happy.

      • kulittwit

         Titud try mo mag sex for procreation at siguradong magkaka anak ka taun taon. If you start at 18 by age 30 ilan na anak mo?

        O baka naman bading ka.

      • titod

        you disappoint me, kala ko meron ka kahit konti intellect. mali na naman ang hinala ko.

    • IzaSantos

      panay ka kasi dota kaya di mo na alam pinagsasabi mo. sex is for procreation, meaning for opposite sex. hindi lalake sa lalake na cause ng pagkakalat ng AIDS sa bansa. 

  • Ronald_18

    These Catholic Priests wanted to control us. I am ashamed of being a Catholic, currently considering bolting with my religion together with my family. Now, I believe my friends that Catholic religion is deceiving and full of crap.

    • titod

      Please leave the RC, we dont need you. Rest assured the feeling is mutual.

      • rjimenez1226

        Papist dog.

    • Royce Ramos

      Why stay in a religion that NEVER gave you the opportunity and respect to CHOOSE them?  Diba halos lahat ng magulang natin (and their parents before them and so on) TINAKOT lang ng RCChurch na baka mapunta sa impyerno or limbo ang baby kapag hindi na-baptize into their religion?  Tapos kahit mga public school noon (sana di na ngayon), hahanapan ng BAPTISMAL certificate ang bata bago tanggapin sa eskwelahan. Di ba nakaka offend na hindi man lang tayo pinapili kung okey satin yung religion na yun o hindi?

      • IzaSantos

        frankly, di kayo kawalan. hahaha

  • randyaltarejos

    It is not the issue of violating the teachings in the Holy Bible. It is a question of whether couples can feed and send their children to school. For me, that’s the meat why there is a need for the RH bill at this point in time. Which is more humane? Planning the number of children that you can have or allow them to experience hunger and sickness? Fifty years ago, it was okay to have more children because the country’s population was small yet. Besides, the prices of goods were affordable. But those were the days. 

    • titod

      If you go outside the urban centers like Manila you will find poor people with young kids who are helping them in the small farms. Doing whatever they can to help themselves.  

      The visibility of the poor in urban centers are higher because of the small footprint they occupy, but otherwise they are everywhere. Siguro, the politicians just wants them to disappear so they can then take whatever little they have. No more land reform, no more education for the poor, whatever little they can have, the rich and the corrupt they just want them all !

  • diamond_digger

    The temerity and gall of the catholic church to even imply corruption in the RH bill. oWell, well, well, look who’s saying. Isn’t it that centuries ago, especially during the Spanish occupation, they even sold indulgence and grace as a way “kuno” of getting salvation. How do i know it? I almost live my young life then as a convent boy during the times that the mass was still officiated in latin. A lot of things have changed in the world today from that time except that the church hasn’t gotten out of the mindset of corruption. They must have think that by calling the tagak as uwak, sila na kasing-itim sa  uwak ay magiging tagak. Let me repeat here, why don’t they go to the vatican and convince the pope to rally against the italian government for supporting and implementing a similar program to the RH bill? Tama na ang pagpanggap gayong ang tunay na layunin ninyo ay makasarili para mas maraming ipanganak, mas malaki ang kita sa binyag, sa kimpil, sa kasal at sa pagkamatay. Di ba totoo? I must admit, am no longer a catholic but i came from a deeply devout caatholic family and my siblings, except for one, are all catholics, too ut they are in favor of the RH bill. 

    • titod

      Sadly the oppressed has now become the oppressor. The poor has been and will be with us forever. They were with Jesus, and they will remain until the end of time. And guess who’s going to have an easier time going through the gates of heaven ?

  • doki budoki

    hays d bottom of this issue is all about having options for family planning. d RC is totally imposing their brand of morality..which is kind of absurd. 

  • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

    Karamihan ng mga pari mga ipokrito.kunwari nagmamalasakit sa kapwa pero number 1 naman sa korapsyon ang mga paring katoliko.dapat ang mga paring katoliko at ang simbahan ng katoliko ay kunan na rin ng tax.Kayong mga membro ng katoliko matagal na kayong nagbubulagbulagan.mamulat na kayo.Yong pera ninyo na ipinanaabuloy ang mga pari lang ang nakikinabang.Magagarang bahay at mga sasakyan ang mga gamit ng mga pari,mga bishop sabihin na natin mga leaders ng katoliko.Samantala maraming mga katoliko ay nasa gitna ng mga kalsada na nagpapalimos kasama mga bata, at nasa vicinity ng mga simbahan din hindi nililingap.Yan ang tunay na CORRUPTION.

  • legnasagra

    One may cheat in an election or steal from government coffers, the bishops won’t mind so long as they get their share, but here in RH bill they benefit nothing, hence their opposition.

    • IzaSantos

      very logical.  LOL 

  • doki budoki

    i’m not sure if priests are the experts about sex and morality. 

  • Rathbumo

    Nagngingitngit siguro itong mga Obispo at Pari kasi hindi sila ang hahawak ng pondo kapag naisa-batas ang RH Bill. Corrupt din naman ang mga ito dahil tumatanggap din sila ng pera from PAGCOR, perang galing sa sugal, at noong panahon ni GMA tumanggap sila ng mga SUVs diba? These Bishops and Priests are corrupting the minds of the poor people by making them believe that RH bill is all about abortion, when in fact it is not. Even if the RH bill is passed into law, abortion is still illegal and carries a penalty.

    • IzaSantos

      pano naging corrupt ang pagtanggap ng donation from pagcor? who is building more casinos in the country? sino nagpasimula ng maraming casino sa bansa? nasa isang pamilya!

      • Rathbumo

        Am talking about corruption here, and not the family na nagpasimula ng maraming casino. These Bishops and Priests are talking about contraception as corruption, e tumatanggap din naman ang simbahang Katolika ng pera galing sa casino – perang galing sa sugal, at yung ibang mga Obispo sa province, tumanggap din sila ng mga SUVs from the govt. I repeat, these hypocrites garbed in priestly robes are the one corrupting the minds of the poor people by making them believe that RH bill is all about abortion when in fact it is not. It’s about responsible parenthood.

      • Rathbumo

        Binabatikos din ng mga Obispo at Pari ang sugal, pero tumatanggap din sila ng pera mula sa PAGCOR, perang galing sa sugal.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VUUPQDZGVIWUXBAAK4XCM3VC2E crispino pelino

    Archbishop Villegas you are  twisting the facts. The RH-bill does not mean “kung walang anak walang mahirap”. That is a stupid understanding of the bill. It does not propose a stoppage to procreation, it suggests a responsible spacing of births. It is not pro-abortion, rather it WILL help stop abortions. Will you please bring forth your own valid arguments and stop quoting various foreign institutions whose opinions are self-serving. So you want us to continue serving as suppliers of cheap labor while the other nations enjoy the good life? You are right in saying that poverty is caused mainly by corruption. But isn’t corruption a result of moral breakdown? And isn’t  the Church the supposed guardian of morality? What has the church been doing then? Encouraging corruption? Enjoining parishioners to give donations to help earn their passage to heaven? As if a life in heaven can be bought.

    • IzaSantos

      tell that to you president whose solution to backlogs in education is limiting the number of population!

      • EOJ

         Misinformation again. alagad ng simbahan ka talaga.

    • brunogiordano

      “Enjoining parishioners to give donations to help earn their passage to heaven? As if a life in heaven can be bought.”

      kilala mo ba si JOHANN TETZEL???

      kahit mang-rape ka pa ng VIRGIN na babae o mangulpi ng tao, pag bumili ka sa tamang halaga ng ibinibenta ni TETZEL na mga INDULGENCIA, hindi ka na dadaan sa PURGATORIO at diretso na ang tungo mo sa HEAVEN..

      i-GOOGLE mo kung saan siya matatagpuan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M57KU4QUVQLFGC7A6MRT4FXD7E Dakak

    They want to upgrade their Pajeros, I believe they need it very badly so they deceive more flocks. The church is against science since Galileo sent to prison because they cannot accept the truth.

    • IzaSantos

      who are these “they”?

  • doki budoki

    religion is the corruption of the mind!

    • IzaSantos

      pagan!

  • http://twitter.com/kristine1526 kristine

    CONTRACEPTION IS CORRUPTION? What about the pajeros, monteros & other SUVs given to your bishops?  Wala po ata ako narinig kay bishop about the SUVs…WTF!!

    • IzaSantos

      where is corruption in the SUVs? kindly enlighten me.

      • SoulEdge

        Mitsubishi Pajero…more than a million pesos, asked for a gift to the little lady. The money will  be coming from PCSO, a goverment agency that main purpose is to provide assistance to the needy. Will this be enough for you Iza?

  • Ma. Elenita Dela Cruz

    Headlines today “Contraception is Corruption” – Church

    Simple Logic:

    Natural family planning method, which the church endorses, is a form of contraception. Contraception is corruption, hence natural family planning method is corruption? 

    The Catholic Church ate her own words.. :)

    • doki budoki

      coitus interruptus can make a woman crazy..hahaha

    • IzaSantos

      it means artificial contraception. duh!  tanda tanda mo na eh!

      • SoulEdge

        hi Iza,if you are a girl. can you cite your age and civil status? If you are already an adult, can you answer my question? Ok lang ba na anakan ka ng isang dosena?

      • boypalaban

         e yung utu-utuin ng mga ganid na pulitiko…ok din?

  • Pedro Mateo

    For me, I go for 
    Responsible Parenthood Bill and I would suggest to our legislators that there will be a provisions to criminalized a person who had so many children and yet can not provide for their basic needs, those who had no capacity shall be put under vasectomy and tubal ligation. .  To those who had the means can had many children as they wish provided however that they will be good standing in the community. . It’s the problem now that those who had less in life had more children and these becomes a problem in the community, to the government and to the environment. . .

    • titod

      You are inviting a religious war. Yung mga muslim hindi papayag diyan. Gusto mo ba silang kaaway ?

      • Pedro Mateo

        In muslim law, you can had 4 wives and had many children as you wish provided that you had the means to support. . Its against to marry without any means to support a family. .

      • titod

        hindi ka updated sa current events. sa britain, yung mga pakistani anak ng anak. kasi kada bata meron pension. gusto nila ngayon ilimit pero takot sila baka balikan sila. hindi lang katoliko, o mahirap ang mahilig gumawa ng bata, 

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/AMG5EDI2JBQRL4Z5H2L7ED4OQA yahoo-AMG5EDI2JBQRL4Z5H2L7ED4OQA

         mr titod ano po sagot ninyo sa sagot ni pedro mateo??
        i am working in the middle east for the past 20 years
        and tama siya puede sila mag-asawa ng 4 basta kaya niya suportahan
        bawal sa kanila ang mag-asawa ng marami kung hindi nila kaya
        ang besides kahit sila mostly 2 lang ang anak dito
        sa atin kahit hindi na kaya magpakain
        sige lang ng sige mag-anak…
        kami po rito sa gitnang silangan ay
        sumusoporta sa RH bill…

  • kulittwit

    Ang sabi ng mga damaso pwede naman makaiwas sa procreation sa pamamagitan ng natural method na withdrawal.

    Ano ang pagkakaiba ng withdrawal sa pag gamit ng condom e pareho lang mamamatay ang sperm cells.

    Ano ang pagkakaiba ng dalawa e pareho lang na pinipigil ang procreation. Meron ngang pagkakaiba – sa condom, naiipon ang sperm cells. sa withdrawal, sa bed sheet kumakalat.

    Mga damaso, hindi po kayo consistent sa procreation.

    • titod

      In time, all your questions will be answered. And I hope, your decisions will not lead you to regret them. Sabi nga ng mga matatanda, yung pag-sisisi laging nasa huli.

      • kulittwit

        Damaso is that  you?

        I am sure you can not answer the questions because you are also confused.

      • titod

        its a question of morality. when you freely distribute condoms, you are encouraging everyone to engage in sex outside marriage, sex with multiple partners. You are not encouraging discipline among the youth but the opposite. Dito sa America, where condoms are available even in BIG BOXES, it does not stop abortions, promiscuity but the opposite. That’s the essence of the Church’s position to be responsible rather than allow our instincts to take over and overwhelm us.

        There is no such thing as safe sex or consenting adults engage in acts of pleasure. Sex is a sacred act that should be used by committed adults, otherwise it leads to chaos and disarray in society.

      • kulittwit

        Nobody is encouraging anybody. That is classic misinformaiton by the damasos.

        You can not stop sexual urge because it is a human need.

        Yeah sex is sacred, but dont scatter your sperms when you withdraw.

      • SoulEdge

        so you mean is imoral pag libre and condom, pero ok lang pag binili ito?  Bawal ang libre, just like binyag, kasal at any church services. Dapat me bayad.

      • Crispin Abarientos

        titod, you should be called… DITO SA AMERICA. Saan ka ba sa Amerika? Nakatapak ka lang sa Amerika, mukha ka ng amerikano. Well, DITO SA AMERIKA, some of the priests are pedophiles and they abused hundreds, maybe thousands of children. Your church, are continuing to protect these priests instead of protecting the innocent children. DITO SA AMERIKA.

      • SoulEdge

        Pananakot na naman.  

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/TNJBE7LNQLM2Y7QFWATSIKSJUQ ROUEL

    For information to everybody, population in the Philippines are getting more due to relying on basic instinct on sex. If we can push any alternative solution to growing population in the Philippines like this so called Responsible Parenthood or whatsoever those noo…ky people called. CBCP has to lay down there concrete solution of growing population in the Philippines. We have to educate the noo…ky youngster and oldster about sex. Actually people are ignorant about family planning. If want more children make sure that you can provide them a better living.

    • titod

      Actually, in Marcos time, he started with the program and the Church was against it. When Cory came, she killed the program. Now that GMA is against the program, we have Pnoy all for it. Ano ba yan ? Baka naman hindi sincere ang conviction ng pangulo natin ? Can it be all just politics ?

  • roceil kurt ventura

    D kc sila binigyan ng SUV kya yan umiiyak.

    D ko na binasa ang article kc title plang alm na kung anong nasaloob ng article.

    • titod

      baka naman hirap ka lang bumasa 

  • hgudoy

    Sino ba ang sinasamba nila dyan sa Shrine ng EDSA? Imahen na mukhang impakto! Hindi nga imahen ng kagandahan, kaamuhan at kabaitan kundi imahen ng multo, diyos diyosan na tubog sa ginto!

    • titod

      God Bless you hgudoy. Sana hindi ka mapahamak sa masasakit mong salita sa simbahan namin 

      • hgudoy

        I am not attacking the church. I am just critical about this artwork and the hypocrisy sorrounding it.

    • pakita_ko_sayo

       Balik tayo sa RH Bill. Inutil!

  • Vertumnus

    “The Church maintains that modern contraceptive methods prevent procreation, which should be the only function of sex.”
    Classic close minded mentality!  If sex wasn’t pleasurable, the human race would have died out a long, long, time ago.  God made sex enjoyable to that we could have sex and propagate humanity. 
    Just because the clergy aren’t allowed to have sex, they expect everyone else not to have sex too?  Times have changed, we have more people than we can support.  It is past due that we do something about it and the church and close minded clergy are out of touch with the Filipino people.

    • doki budoki

      Evolutionary biology would make religious debates about the natural world useless..

    • titod

      The clergy has taken a vow of celibacy. It is their own choice, just like their vow to poverty. They are as poor as the people the RH bill is targeting. Thats why they know what they are talking about.

      • Crispin Abarientos

        as poor, huh? living in a nice air-conditioned room, driving a nice car, have a salary higher than average government worker. what more can you ask for?

      • titod

        propaganda lang lahat niyan. ilang npa na ang napatay na galing simbahan ? meron bang mga taga-forbes na npa ?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        #1 Ka. Dante.

        #2 Npa na taga forbes,  I forget the name, but tumaliwas sya sa samahan around 94. He was NPA’s top communications guy.  Returned to the fold of capitalism since then. Now plenty rich, I would say.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

        The archibishop of Manila lives in the San Miguel Palace. The Pope lives in a city state, has his summer palace, just a stone throw away from it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

        Wow, talagang deluded ka.

  • Crispin Abarientos

    How about:  YOUR CHURCH DONATION IS THE ROOT OF ALL CORRUPTION.

    • titod

      please lang, hindi ka naman nag-do-donate, wala kang k diyan

      • Crispin Abarientos

        bigay ka lang kasi ng bigay, you don’t kn ow where your money is ending up. kawawa ka naman kabayan. ang laki mong TANGA.

      • titod

        baka naman tumalbog sa iyo yung salita mo. lahat ng donation sa simbahan, ang punta sa rome kung saan, kinakalat ito sa buong mundo. hindi lang tayo ang meron mahirap, buong mundo ito. dito sa amerika, katoliko lang ang nag-pi-picket sa harap ng abortion clinic. ang simbahan ang boses ng mga mahihirap sa buong mundo. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

        Wrong Titod, it goes to the silken dresses of the cardinals, the fatty food of the bishops. The Archdiocese of Manila is one of the biggest stockholders of Philex, San Miguel Corporation, Bank of the Philippine Islands. yet they still squeeze money from those who live from day to day. Let the bishops live on their fat. Like walruses, their body fat can sustain them for a year.

      • titod

        Hoy, taga-baste ako. Yung recoletos had 2 seats on the board of smc pero matagal na silang nag-divest. Hindi ka updated sa info mo, kaya ayan naliligaw ka. Hindi rin BPI ang bangko ng simbahan, mali-mali ang data mo.

  • Crispin Abarientos

    ZERO DONATION, ZERO CORRUPTION

  • myhome33

    so what is the point of the church to intervene with the government program of population control?  when typhoons, flood, fire etc..come and hit the population, nowhere they are found.  They are not helping at all, when good ideas come, they resist.  No wonder Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore and other Asian nations are better off than us. They don’t let these catholic priest intervene with their government….

    • Royce Ramos

      My thoughts exactly. In time of TRUE need and crisis, they’re quiet and nowhere to be found.  Bakit hindi sila nag-rally para sa flood victims?  Hindi sila nag rally para sa mga kababayan natin sa Syria na gustong umuwi?  AAAhhhh…. pero pag political standing na  nila ang kinwestyon, eto na sila!

    • Pedro Mateo

      Mostly their religion is Buddhism except for Singapore while our religion always want to be part of the government. . Nasanay na kasi at mahirap na baguhin ang pag-uugali. . 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FGLCSWEISCSAYRSODQ7MEOWLNI yahoo-FGLCSWEISCSAYRSODQ7MEOWLNI

    I am  a catholic but I will not be a blind follower of the Priest or Bishop.  They are only good in the pulpit but in their everyday life the are contradicted to their teachings. Take the case of the Vatican the Pope is already there but Graft and Corruption is present including Nepotism, so better check first the background of your Parish Priest or Bishop they maybe a WOLF in Sheep’s skin.

  • myhome33

    masama yan titod, mas masahol ka pa kay hgudoy..

  • Royce Ramos

    They vow self-celibacy but insist they know what’s best for you sexually.
    They don’t pay taxes but insist they know best how taxes should be spent.

    STIR.

    • yesyesyo

      Seminarians are experts in masturbation.

      • brunogiordano

        “Seminarians are experts in masturbation.”
        MASTURBATION????

        mas MORTAL SIN daw ‘yon kaysa sa PEDOPHILE SIN sabi ng VATICAN.

      • boypalaban

         minasturbate mo ba sila?
        o sinubo mo agad mga kargada nila…
        lakas ng epekto ng condom overdose ano?

    • Bart

      bingo!

    • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

      SOME OF THESE PRIESTS AND BISHOPS ARE EVEN PRACTICING IMMORALITY,PREGNANTING WOMEN WHICH IS AGAINST THEIR TEACHING.THESE ARE THE PARISHEES WHICH JESUS CHRIST CALLED AS HYPOCRITES.

  • yesyesyo

    Again, misinformation from the damasos to mislead the public.

    My wife had ligation last year and there was no corruption in it.
     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ROHE5UZ4CGDKA34F7LCVAARLCQ Leonardo

    ANO ITO? ” Some Church officials did not shy away from reminding lawmakers that their vote could affect their chances of victory in the next elections. Bishop Gabriel Reyes, head of the Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, said the Church would be issuing guidelines to voters in the 2013 local elections that will tell them to choose a candidate who are pro-life.” ITO ANG KATOTOHANAN NA KAYONG MGA OBISPO AT PARI, ay mga politiko na rin, with evil spirit dahil marunong na kayong MANAKOT. ang inyong mga katuwiran ay tunay na walang katotohanan gaya ng”
    In a message to the youth, Villegas reminded them that “contraception makes sex cheap.” maling-mali ito, dahil ang dapat ninyong ituro ay ang kahalagahan ng “SEXUAL LIFE” sa buhay ng taong nilalang ng Diyos, na ito’y hindi dapat gawin ng pansariling kaligayahan lamang, kundi dapat ay gawin lamang ito sa ikaluluwalhati ng Diyos. ito ang ibig sabihin ang “PROCREATOR”. DAPAT IPASA ANG RH BILL NA ITO!!! UPANG ITO ANG MAGING GABAY NG KASALUKUYANG HENERASYON AT DARATING PANG HENERASYON, UPANG MALAMAN NILA KUNG PAANO SILA MAGSUSULONG NG MABUTING PAMILYA NA MAY TAMANG BILANG, UPANG MATAMO ANG MABUTING AT MASAGANANG PAGPAPALA NG DIYOS. 

    • Bart

      i don’t believe in the church but i like your reasoning. 

      • I_kabod

        i believe in the church but not all the people who governs it.  wala na silang pinagkaiba sa kabilang relihiyon na walang ginawa kundi manakot sa katapusan ng mundo. agree ako lay leonardo, politiko na din ang CBCP.

        uy baka maging party list na din ang CBCP sa susunod lolz

      • Bart

        lol. they have a partylist i think. correct me if i’m wrong but i think it’s called buhay.

  • liquiduser

    “How can these bishops advocate about family planning when they are not even married” – Sen. Mirrian Santiago

    tama nga naman!

    • titod

      E bakit father ang tawag sa kanila ? Ha ?

      • brunogiordano

        “E bakit father ang tawag sa kanila ? Ha ?”
        that’s a MIRACLE!!!!!!!

      • liquiduser

        i dont call them father. They dont deserve it. also you are way out of context. the married word here means physical family raising. dont pretend you dont understand it.

        how can these priest advocate about natural birth control if they dont have a wife beside them when they are in bed? understand?

      • Bart

        kasi yung iba may anak sa labas. haha..

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Wrong.

        Hindi nabubuntis ang mga batang lalake.

        (joke joke joke)

      • Bart

        haha.. u got one on me. :D

  • kulittwit

    Damasong soc villegas, wala akong narinig sa yo about the pajeros.

    Double standard. hypocrite.

    • IzaSantos

      learn from ur parents’ mistake. use birth control.   :)

      • liquiduser

        same goes to you

      • kulittwit

        Ikaw walang mistake? hypocrite ka nga.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        Iza, your parents are uneducated too, is it? :)

      • Sarkasmos

        Kawawa ka naman, walang kakampi.

  • Bart

    4k priests and semenarians + 1k coerced catholic school students + 4.5k religious fanatics and intellectual malcontents + 300 bystanders + 100 mediamen + 97 politician and their entourage + 3 idiot senators = 10K PROTESTERS. Q: Where’s the poor who are the most affected of this BILL? A: Busy working their assess off to feed their 4-5 undernourished children.

    • IzaSantos

      u know wat? u can be a good poster boy for birth control. deal?

      • Bart

        that the best you can think of? sure. as long as your willing to be a poster girl for stupidity. 

      • Royce Ramos

        10k is actually exaggerated.  Initial statements by organizers and law-enforcers around the area originally placed the estimate closer to just a little over 5k.  The additional number is just propaganda.

      • Bart

        we all know it. i just wanna go with the anti at the moment. let them feel happy with their 10k, cause when you argue with them they might make it 20k later. :D

      • Royce Ramos

        lol mismo

      • IzaSantos

        sure. im the stupid. from now on u are the poster boy for birth control. makes sense noh? hahaha

      • Bart

        whatever stupid! as if i care. mwahaha…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

        Iaz, kamusta na yong lobotomy mo. Success pala from how you non-think.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Bart, yong mga hinahanap mo ay yong mga taong walang pakialam sa mundo, mga taong alam lang ay gumawa ng gumawa ng anak ng di naman kayang buhayin….Huwag mo nang asahang pumunta ang mga iyon… At saka sila nga ba ang mas apektado sa bill na to? Sigurado ka bang nagtratrabaho nga sila?

      • Bart

        alangan naman ang may mga kaya sa buhay? if you believe that this bill is a waste of taxpayers money, think again. a contraceptive is worth only a few pesos, a sickly unfed child of poor parents would eat up much resources from the government. choose. and kung hindi man sila ngtatrabaho, then you now know that they don’t care for the church much. so the church can’t threaten the lawmakers with their so called catholic votes.

  • pakita_ko_sayo

    kamusta na yung mga sasakyan, mga DAMASOS, Hindi mawawala ang kasalanan sa pagsusoli lang ng mga ito. HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Kung ibinigay ni GMA ang mga sasakyan as SUHOL para tumahimik ang mga bishop, corruption yon, pareho silang CORRUPT at don mo sila kondenahin… LOL…

  • EOJ

    Not even the 500,000 hakot of iglesia ni manalo could sway the lawmakers in april. 7,000 lang nahakot ng mga damaso. Mas lalong fail!

  • Taiko_Kauna

    Perhaps it’s about time to ask ourselves “why we believe in the things that we believe” especially religion. Are the teachings coming from God or man?How do you know the man at the vatican really has the authority to speak for God? Or how do you know the man at your parish speaks for God? What if they are nothing more than those whom Jesus warned us against to,” take heed that no man deceive you, for many will come in my name declaring that I am Christ, but shall DECEIVE  many”,Mat.24:6?  Time to consider evaluating what you were made to believe!

    • titod

      On and off switch lang ba ang buhay sa mundo ? Tanong ni Steve Jobs yan, billionaryo, sikat at admitted atheist. Sa huling sandali niya, hindi na siya sigurado. Ang mga unang romano, existentialist, live today, die tomorrow. nag-sawa din sila at ang buong mundo kasama na rin.

      Kung walang saysay ang buhay, bakit maraming ayaw mamatay, tapusin ang lahat ? Yan ang sagot sa mga tanong niyo.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Edgardo-M-Oreta/1311081609 Edgardo M. Oreta

        Just like you and the Italian catholic church to quote billionaires. Titot, money is not all.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      He he he, madali lang  sagutin kung ang teachings ay galing sa Diyos, itinuturo ba nila ang itinuro ng Panginoong HesuKristo nong nasa mundo pa Siya? At isinasabuhay ba ng mga Church Leaders? Kung sa tingin mo ay hindi, so hindi turo mula sa Diyos….
       Diyan pa lang, maevaluate mo na kung ano ang paniniwalan mo….

  • Phillip Andrade

    akala ko ba me separation of state and church.  bat nakikialam lagi ang simbahan sa mga usaping pampublikong polisiya? kung sumasawsaw ang simbahan sa usaping gobyerno e di tanggalin na nila ang kanilang pagiging non-taxable entity?  ano po ba ang palagay ninyo mga edukadong katoto?

    • Royce Ramos

      Agree.  They shouldn’t claim rights to knowing or dictating how the government should allocate tax funds, because they pay none.  This opportunity we have in our history to change things for the better will go to waste if the bill is not passed.  Our economy is in its first throes of recovering, kung masabay pa natin sa economic growth ang lower/controlled population growth, ang layo ng mararating natin as a whole.  Baka ma-afford pa ng government na magkaroon ng totoong effective social security or even unemployment welfare.  Ayaw talaga baguhin ng church ang status quo kasi mas madali sila yumaman habang madali utuin ang masa dahil sa kakulangan sa education.  And this, essentially is their platform :  Keep the masses ignorant so we can control them all the better and stay in power, with the politicians that we choose.
      Our government already wastes untold millions of money on programs for the overpopulated poor ( ex. , squatter relocation programs actually PAY them to move out and occupy free housing, which a lot of them do not avail of but rather exploit by renting out their allocated housing but staying in their squat.).  Our health centers already DO assist families with provisions for free or cheap birth control, so it’s not like we’ll be paying anything extra when the bill is passed.  The bill simply wants to mandate reproductive education as a necessity.  In the not-so-long run, with less people and a growing economy, we save more money AND people.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        “Ayaw talaga baguhin ng church ang status quo kasi mas madali sila yumaman habang madali utuin ang masa dahil sa kakulangan sa education.” Dahil sa kakulangan sa education? As in ‘pinag aralan’ kaya mo nasasabing madali utuin ang masa? If you say yes, you’re funny, and you don’t know what you’re talking. Don’t you know that some Roman Catholic Christian groups like El Shadai and Couples for Christ members gives 10% of their monthly income to their leaders? Many of their members are educated / professionals, so lahat sila uto uto? LOL Pag kakaalam ko di inoobliga kung magkanong amount ang iabuloy mo pag pumunta ka sa simbahan, its your choice also kung mag abuloy ka o hindi….pero me tama ka naman, madali pa rin silang yumaman, pero maling mali ka sa “madaling utuin”….

    • wood68

      judging by the words and deed of the damasos, separation of church and state means the government cannot and should not interfere with the affairs of the church but not the other way around. =))

  • kilabot

    if contraception is corruption, what do you call lgbt?

  • anu12345

    Okay lang na mag-anak ng marami basta papakainin ng church. No problem.

  • GOPHILIPPINESGO

    Damaso, bago ka manghusga, linisin mo muna ang yong sariling mukha.
    Itigil nyo na ang kurapsyon sa simbahan at sexual harassment sa buong
    mundo. Magbayad kayo ng buwis. Bakit ang mga catholic schools ang mahal
    ng tuition samantalang hindi na nga nagbabayad ng buwis? At higit sa
    lahat isabuhay nyo ang vow of poverty. Dun kayo tumira sa mga
    bahay na walang aircon. yan ang tunay na preferential option for the poor.

  • jr_06498

    Kabahagi na yata sa buhay nating mga Pilipino ang pakikialam ng simbahan sa ating buhay.
    Batid ko na alam nating mga Pilipino ang mga nakaraang panahon kung papaano pinag samantalahan ng mga namumuno ng simbahan.  Ngayon nag babalik na naman ang pakikialam ng simbahan sa buhay Pilipino. Papayagan ba nating mangyari muli ang mga ito na mag samantala sa ating buhay? Katulad ni Bishop Socrates Villegas, ano ang nalalaman niya tungkol sa Family Planning nag asawa ka na ba?  Bakit hindi mo tanungin ang mga kasama mo na kung tawagin ay Bishop at hingin mo ang paliwanag tungkol sa Corruption sa panahon ni Gloria Arroyo, tungkol sa Pajero na ibinibay ni GMA sa kanila?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HZPNFZAQUILH5A72O27WFLZNAA angelito

    masyado kayong mga pakialamero kayong mga pari, hanggang lugaw lang ang kaya ninyong ibigay dyan sa gil;id ng Quiapo. hindi naman kayo nagbibigay sa mga nasalanta ng bagyo. mga OFW na pina uwi ,mga taong nasa bangketa,saan ninyo dinadala ang mga pera ninyo,yung  kita sa mga catholic schools, mga banko ninyo. tapos nakikialam pa kayo sa gobyerno, pwe!

    • ValencianoEd

      hindi lang po naman pari, madre ang dumalo.  isinama rin nila yung mga kasambahay at mg drivers nila pati na yung mga gardeners, mga boy nila at iba pang empleado nila sa parish office.  Of course, mawawala ba naman yung mga manong at manang?  kaya nakalikom sila ng isang pwede na matawag na crowd.  Pero, hindi po overwhelming.  Kung wala nga yung mga hakot nila, e di walang crowd.  Kakapiranggot lang sila. Ayaw pa rin nilang tanggapin na ang mismong kahanay nila may mga supporters ng RH Bill.  Si Pope Benedict nga e approve na sya sa paggamit ng condom.  E etong mga CPCP member must pope sila kay pope – ganun ang feeeling yata nila.

  • shukura

    Bakit karamihan ng nagrally eh pari at mga madre, mga nakatira yan sa kumbento na meron lahat ng amenities, may kinakain sa oras, may sinusuot, may mga katulong para ipagluto, ipaglinis at ipaglaba, karamihan pa ay naka aircon…..alam ba nila kung paano maghirap? Karamihan ng pari dyan ay nakaluxurious cars pa….tama na ang pagkahipokrito nila. Tumira muna sila kasama ng mga squatters na sandamakmak ang mga batang walang saplot, madurungis, walang makain; mga magulang na walang hanapbuhay…..pag ginawa nila un siguro baka pakinggan pa sila ng nakakarami sa mga puntong ipinagrarally nila.

    At ang simbahan, ibenta nila ang stocks nila sa San Miguel Corporation, Philex Mining at gamitin nila sa pagpaparal at pakainin nila ang mga dukha….wag ung puro sila hingi ng donasyon, hingi ng luxurious cars kay Gloria Kurakot. Gamitin nila ang kanilang kayamanan para sa mga dukha. Dahil sila naman ay sobrang yaman, i-assign nila ang kanilang shares sa mga malalaking corporation at gamitin sa pag-aaral ng mga bata sa squatters, gumawa ng housing projects para sa ganitong paraan ay talagang makatulong sila.

    Ang satsat at rally nila ay d solution sa problema ng bayan. Wala silang karapatan magsalita dahil sila ay puro sarap sa buhay.

    • Bart

      bakit pari,madre at mga religious groups lang pmunta? ksi ang mga mahihirap na pinaka maaapektohan nitong bill ay nagkakandarapa pang maghanap ng pera para may pambili ng pagkain ng nagugutom nilang mga anak. pakiaalam ng mga yan kung walang kakainin tayong mahihirap, basta sila pg uwi nila sa convento at bahay nila, may naluto na mga maid nila.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HLH7H73OZNDPNXIZGJTQJ7K4LA Filcanpam

    Contraception is good , Corruption is the one who stand next to you si Manong Johnny at bopol na Tito Sotto. ,,,,Vote Cedran for Senator,,,,

    • el_latigo

       Could it be that Bishop Soc Villegas is also describing at the same time the political opportunists trapos who attended the rally yesterday? I won’t be surprised if he does. Just look at these personalities and weep, and gnash your teeth as well.

  • bisdakis

    Down with Padre Damaso! End religious hypocricy! Continue Rizal’s revolution against Roman Catholic Church!

    • Royce Ramos

      Yes, for our own sakes it’s time to show ourselves that Jose Rizal did not die for nothing. Maria Clara is each and every one of us, and it’s our choice whether we are willing to bend over and get raped.

  • ValencianoEd

    multiply this comment of despair of the mother who was interviewed by the BBC correspondent re the RH bill by a million times, and we see why we need the RH bill become law..  IN so many words she said that if she only had her way, or the methods of controlling pregnancy, three children would have sufficed.  She has seven or eight kids, the youngest, still a baby.  
    I hate to disagree with the Church’s stand…….yes, an additional baby – an additional mouth – for a couple who has no means to support a large family is a nuisance.  This additional baby must not be born………..he/she should not have been conceived in the first place….so this why we have contraceptives (contra-conception):  artificial and natural.  A choice.  But the better choice for many, especially for the ones who can afford is the artificial way.  The natural way prescribed by the church is too cumbersome to follow and is not effective either.
    The church is fast on condemning that the bill if voted into law will use up tax payer’s money to implement.  Correct.  But the church  does not pay taxes for its properties – billions worth of properties, so it does have the moral posturing to talk about how our taxes are should be because it does not contribute a penny to these taxes.  How preposterous indeed!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel


      She has seven or eight kids, the youngest, still a baby.   

      I hate to disagree with the Church’s stand…….yes, an additional baby – an additional mouth – for a couple who has no means to support a large family is a nuisance.  This additional baby must not be born………..he/she should not have been conceived in the first place….so this why we have contraceptives (contra-conception): “ Ed, who’s fault if she have 7 or 8 babies? Is it the Church or the Government? This mother maybe an uneducated fellow who lives in a slum area, not knowing that condoms & pills are available in drug store, no money to buy? Cheapest contraception was even available at every barangay health center long time ago, but I’m not sure this time. She and her husband were not thinking for their own welfare especially their children, I’m pretty sure that it never cross their mind asking there self how many kids they can afford to raise. For me, the RH Bill is not the total solution to our poverty…totally eradicate corruption and we’ll become a develop nation. Ika nga ng nakaupo sa Malakanyang, kung walang corrupt, walang mahirap….So lets eradicate corruption, every one of us can help to curve and stop corruption, lest start now na!!!!

      • ValencianoEd

        Jezzrel, there has never been a claim by the government or by the pro RH bill that it is the total solution to our poverty as you put it.  There is no one total solution – it is a combination of many solutions and again as you rightly put it,  fighting and succeeding over corruption is certainly the biggest tool vs poverty.
        THe RH bill is envisioned to reduce our ballooning population so that government will be able to take care of the country better.  If so many well-intentioned international organizations such as the UN are advising us to pass the bill to reduce or manage our population properly, shouldn’t we be listening to their expert advice?  Of course, in the case of the woman in the BBC report, there was the matter of choice on her part – that too is a tool that can be used to fight poverty. CHOICE!  If she chose not to get pregnant anymore, then she would not have that many children.  Maybe she chose not to get pregnant and wanted to use contraceptives, but could not afford to buy the same.
        And do not forget, is it not easier to choose contraceptive than controlling our sexual urges?  Think about that.

  • FORTHE GOOD

    These bishops are really modern day damasos. They live in comfort with luxury vehicles and airconditioned quarters with helps paid for by the offerings and donations of churchgoers.

    They are the farthest image of Jesus who lived with the poor.

    No wonder, they have little credibility. They are so detached from the majority of catholics whom they can not even convince to attend sunday mass regularly.

    • titod

      kung damasos sila, kayo naman ang mga modern day indios. The oppressed has become the oppressors ! Shame on you !

      • FORTHE GOOD

         Truth hurts? Shame on you damaso! live by example. give up your luxurious living.

    • IzaSantos

      i remember carlos celdran when u mentioned damaso. he should go back to Spain.

  • tadasolo

    The bishops actions against the RH Bill and their responses are bordering on political influence. These will forever undermined their effort to become a last refuge to those searching for the wisdom of Almighty when we are confronted with the uncertainties of life. Their strong opposition to a very important bill meant to help the poor women of the slums of our cities without offering an alternative is alienating a significant number of our people especially our youth. They will make themselves irrelevant in our national narrative now and into the future. It makes me wonder whose advise and wisdom they are listening.

  • I_kabod

    vote CBCP for party list hehehe

  • gusto667

    Wrong! multiplication is corruption, even in nature multiplication  or abundance in number is an anomaly, 

    • IzaSantos

      so what is your point?

  • shukura

    Eto mga kayamanan ng mga pari:
    as of July 11, 2011

    According to the documents obtained by GMA News Network from the Philippine Stock Exchange, the controversial bishop ranked 73rd among the top 100 shareholders of the Ayala Corporation. The company which was owned by the family of Ayala, Roxas and Zobel was one of the largest and the oldest companies in the Philippines.

    The estimated value of ownership by the archbishop was recorded at around P8 Million worth of shares. His total number of shares were 24,000 common shares of Ayala Corp. The controversy involving the bishops was another blew to the Roman Catholic community and the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office.

    The controversial fund was given to the Archbishop of Tuguegarao during the occasion of his 25th anniversary as a Bishop which was granted by the then President Gloria M. Arroyo after  a personal letter from the Bishop was given to the President. PSCO had granted an amount which was undisclosed during the term of PCSO director Ma. Fatima Valdes.

    Tuguegarao Archbishop Diosdado Talamayan was just one of the Bishop who were involved in holding shares of stocks that was listed with the Philippine Stock Exchange. According to PSE records there were other archbishops and archdiocese which had shares of stock in companies such as the Bank of the Philippine Islands, PAL, San Miguel and Philex Mining.

    Meanwhile the Archbishop of Manila had shares of stock with the Bank of the Philippine Islands which was valued at  P17.3 billion representing 6.266 percent of the bank’s outstanding shares. Archbishop of Zamboanga had shares of stocks in PHILEX. There were two accounts representing Archbishop of Zamboanga and Religious of the Virgin Mary worth 8.5 million shares of the group in the mining firm amount to more than P200 million.

    Source Wikipedia:

    he Catholic Church of the Philippines has P20 billion worth of stocks in seven corporations alone based on data collated from the Philippine Stock Exchange (PSE).[1]

    These include the country’s third largest lender Bank of the Philippine Islands and the nation’s biggest metals producer Philex Mining Corp., where the Archdiocese of Manila owns 3.22 million shares worth P81.79 million based on Thursday’s stock price of P25.40 each.

    Other companies the Church supposedly has stakes are diversifying conglomerate San Miguel Corp., Ayala Group of Companies, Phinma Corp., Ortigas-led Concrete Aggregates Corp., and PAL Holdings Inc., the parent company of Lucio Tan-owned Philippine Airlines (PAL).

    • titod

      Mas marami ang yaman ng simbahan diyan. Yung Rome, priceless yung mga collection nila. Ang real estate holding ng simbahan, world-wide is very extensive. Pero ang lahat ng ito ay ginagamit para sa lahat ng tao. Ito ang misyon ng simbahan !

    • kulittwit

       who is this bishop?

    • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

      From where,and how these bishop got the millions of money?Leaders,priests, bishops,are not allowed to work just like the common filipino having the earning from the salary.CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND BISHOPS ARE THE WORST CORRUPT IN THE CORRUPTION HISTORY.I THINK THEY ARE OPPOSING THE RH BILL BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BUDGET OF THIS BILL TO BE GIVEN TO THEM IN FULL.

      • IzaSantos

        wow. what a point.  LOL 

  • tonyoks

    “The use of taxpayers’ money for contraceptives is corruption,” Villegas told the protesters who were mainly dressed in red. Organizers said this was to symbolize the “martyrdom” of the unborn child.
    Asan na kaya napunta ang utak nitong bishop na to….

    sa bayag???

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Para sa iyo, anong masama sa nasabi ni Elder Villegas?

    • IzaSantos

      the good thing is may utak sya. unlike you.

  • kulittwit

    Which is more normal,

    a college student who have sexual intercourse with condom as need arises, or a seminarian who masturbates his way through college to release sexual tension.

    • titod

      no such thing as more normal, simula pa lang ng question mo, mali na.

      • kulittwit

         I bet your answer is the masturbating seminarian. alagad ka kasi.

      • titod

        sayang yung tuition mo sa school, i bet you wont amount to anything much

      • kulittwit

        As expected, you will not admit. You will not even admit you masturbated while in the seminary. True to form as a hypocrite and self-righteous damaso.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R7FSJDO6AM5XJXGW2RKU2RMUTY pedro talisman

    Last i looked, the Philippines is a democratic country with separation of church and state. So what is the Catholic church doing forcing their medieval stupidity on the government? Fortunately, not all Catholic Filipinos are as stupid as their church. But for all those other narrow-minded troglodytes who live and think like Padre Damaso, mag-isip-isip naman kayo. Choice ang binibigay ng RH Bill. You are not being forced to practice contraception if you don’t want to; you are given the CHOICE. Malinaw na distinction yan. Akala ko ba may FREE WILL ang Catholic doctrine? Eh di bigyan nyo ng FREE WILL ang mga Catholics! Otherwise, wala rin kayong pinag-iba sa mga Islamic jihadists at fundamentalist na sarado ang utak. Magsama-sama na lang kayo ng mga Al-Qaida!

    • titod

      ang hirap sa inyo, tingin niyo kayo lang ang taxpayer. paano naman kami ? nagbabayad din ng tax, wala na ba kaming say ? akala ko ba majority wins ? bakit hindi nila isubmit yung bill, botohan at lahat tumahimik. 

      nakakahiya yung democracy natin, napakaliit ng minority bloc. puro na lang majority ang maingay.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      “Last i looked, the Philippines is a democratic country with separation of church and state.” Hello, don’t you know that even before the demise of Martial Law, there was already no separation of church & state?“So what is the Catholic church doing forcing their medieval stupidity on the government? “Hello, is it the RC pushing ‘STUPIDITY’ on the government? Pag na strip off ang section 9 & 10 don sa RH Bill at magreklamo pa mga anti-RH, eh ewan ko na lang kung san talaga ang position nila….

    • IzaSantos

      thats right, free will. thus, no need for a law such this.  :)

  • el_latigo

    @shukura:  If these very rich archbishop(s) that you are talking about will only share their “hidden” wealth to the poor instead of keeping it for themselves,  then perhaps we won’t see so much poverty and misery around us. They want to have their cake and EAT it too, isn’t it? But meanwhile, they are putting their dirty hands into partisan politics and maligning a government who only wants to put this over populated country in order, one of the fastest growing in the world, already in almost total fiscal and social crisis (a social volcano ready to explode, said one economist) because of widespread poverty. Perhaps the good bishops would like to see this country go the way of Somalia, where law and order are already almost absent because of overpopulation and poverty. We have been already warned by the WHO of the dire consequences if we continue to ignore the resulting inherent problems that are brought about by overpopulation. Good, if we go the way of lemmings, where they commit mass suicide once their population has grown so big and the food chain can no longer sustain them. Even lowly animals have their own inborn instinctive mechanisms to control runaway population. God forbid, I hope we Filipinos won’t go that way…

    • IzaSantos

      ur correct abt animals. but they dont use artificial contraceptives. and to think they are animals. 

      • el_latigo

        @iza… Heh, heh, of course lemmings don’t use contraceptives sweetheart. Their mass-suicide instincts are their built-in contraceptives because they are precisely that, animals. Meaning, they “instinctively know” that there must be balance in nature and that is, their numbers should be ideally in that precise  level which the available “resources” or in short,  food that nature provides them (because unlike man, they cannot produce, much more manufacture their own food) that can sustain their kind and assure the survival of their specie. Men, as the most intelligent(?) in the animal kingdom don’t do mass-suicides of course (ano ka? sinusuwerte?), they just kill each other and commit genocide!

        Isn’t nature wonderful and on the other hand man dreadful in destroying nature?

  • quphal

    Yes to Saved Sex, No to Safe Sex

    yah. try saying that sa mga nanginginig na laman. wala na talagang common sense itong mga obispo natin.

    • IzaSantos

      sinong obispo nagsabi nyan? common sense is not common as far as u are concerned.  

  • $30075310

    di naman purpose ng RH bill na di mag anak, ang sabi i plano ang mga bata na kaya mo sila pakainin, paaralin and bigyan ng matinong tirahan. This is the highest form of hypocrisy from the bishops. The Catholic Church is not paying taxes and has huge ownership of publicly listed companies (e.g. BPI, Ayala Corp.) which are worth billions of pesos and yet they can’t offer concrete solutions to urban poor. They will tell you that is okay to be poor and do not follow articificial contraception method and yet they are living like kings. Punta kayo sa diocese and check kung anong kotse meron sa garahe nila and makikita niyo merong mga BMW or Mercedes Benz yang mga yan. They have househelp and are living a good life compared to majority of poor Filipinos who will benefit from the RH bill.   

    • IzaSantos

      wasnt born ysterday. :)   aquino na mismo nagsabi. to address problems such as backlogs education, population is the key!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

    LOL, nanginginig na nga sa laman, sa tingin mo ba maisip pa nila contraception, ang magsuot ng condom? Wala na,  banat na lang na banat…pag dadelay si babae, saka iaabort yong baby….at yan ang totoo…

  • chingnarciso

    kung hindi ako nagkakamali,ang population ng Pilipinas ay 92 or 96 million,ang liit pa ang land mass ng bansang Pilipinas.Washington State have only 5 million population, and maybe its three times bigger than the whole Philippines.Bakit kaya against ang mga religious leader na mga ito.Gagamitin pang panakot sa mga ugok na politiko ang bill na ito..Kapwa Pilipino,kailangan iisipin ang kinabukasan ng ating magiging anak,hindi anak ng anak na hindi masustentohan,iisipin kung paanong mapalaki na hindi maging mahirap na katulad natin.

    • http://twitter.com/Perdition2012 Rey Gan

       Palagay ko nasa 100 million na mga Pilipino. Noong ginawa last statistics ng mga guro nung 2010, di masyado na-cover lahat ng mga kabahayan. Inabot na sila ng deadline, dahil ginawa nila survey from April to May, inabot na sila ng pasukan.  Nagpapabagal kasi minsan, wala tao sa bahay, o di kaya ayaw silang i-entertain.  Meron pang hahabulin ka ng aso.  At lalo na sa squatter’s area, mahirap isa-isahin at kumuha ng accurate figure.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Pano mas maraming mag anak ang mga mahihirap na pamilyang pilipino…kaya umabot na tayo ng ganyang karami…

  • Royce Ramos

    Parang gusto ko tuloy mag counter-rally.  We would have more sincere numbers, sigurado.
    Kasi as Pro-RH supporters, wala tayong hidden agenda, walang promise to vote for our supporting lawmakers or means to make threats against those who don’t.  Just pure, unadulterated concern for our own country’s future.
    Kung may nag-organize the mass rally for PRO, kahit umuulan pa ba, magpupunta ba kayo?  I would :)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/LFYJ6JVB4XCMV63MXQDFKTTIBU Arnold

      boses daw ng simbahan ang pumunta sa rally. ang masasabi ko boses lang yan ng mga pari at madre. sana nga royce may pro rh bill rally din para mapakita na mas nakararami ang may gusto nitong batas na isinusulong sapagkat itoy para sa nakararami. maswerte pa rin tayo na may pangulo tayo na malakas ang luob na magsulong nito kasi hindi sya natatakot dahil ang nagupo sa kanya ay taong bayan hindi mga pari, madre o ibang sekta na ang kanilang hangarin ay para sa kanila lang. ang mga pulitiko takot sa mga pari at ibang relihiyon kasi lahat sila ay mga trapo at mga corrupt. kung dati tahimik ang marami ngayon may representation na ang nakararami sa boses at gawa ng pangulo. dapat lang na hindi kausapin ni PNoy ang mga corrupt na pari na halos lahat sa kanila ay mga mukhang pera  nagmamalinis pero ang kanilang hangarin ay guminhawa sa kamay ng mga nagbibigay sa kanila. 

      • IzaSantos

        childish argument. grow up!

      • reddfrog

         I think you’re being a pompous and judgmental. And ironically, juvenile too on this particular post.

    • IzaSantos

      prove it!

  • DurangoJoe

    It is more correct to say irresponsible procreation is corruption.Why would the Church advise parents to have as many babies as they can produce when many don’t have the money to support them. In Manila, very young boys and girls are already begging on the streets- that’s poverty right there! The government should step in to control overpopulation which is the cause of poverty. Ta naman tung mga pareng bwisit.

    • IzaSantos

      show figures of overpopulation. pwede?  :) 

      • reddfrog

        You remind me of the conversation between an atheist Jodie foster and a guy who I forgot the name. Guy: Do you love your father? Jodie: Yes. Guy: Prove it. Jodie: ……….????

        Sometimes, you do not need complicated charts and graphs. All you need are eyes. All you need are to talk to those who volunteer to work among the poor, which I have. I suggest going to the slums and talking to just a couple of families and live how they live for just 3 days. See if that changes your mind.

  • matt_hew

    The church can do the all the protest they want but in the end, the legislators have the responsibility to protect the nation as a whole.  

    Time has come that church leaders should respect the separation between the state and church.

    • IzaSantos

      read the Constitution re Separation of Church and State, pls! 

  • mapicchu

    how they can twist the truth is beyond me..i had attended mass where the priest’s sermon was on vetoing the rh bill…”do you want to be a mutant? do you agree to be mutilated?” ano yon? i never went back to that church again. now its contraception = corruption?  where do they get these ideas?  i am for the rh bill, simply because parents have to be educated re: responsible parenthood.  why sire 10 kids when you cant even give them shelter, food, education? .btw, marital infidelity has been going on a long time…dont these priests read about annulment cases, or do they even know that couples break up and hook up all the time? don’t they also know that many now go for living in instead of having a wedding since its very expensive for them? magkano church fees for weddings?   blame the media, the tabloids,  blame tv, blame modernization..people are no longer that subservient to the church’s teachings..because they’re the ones who suffer, not the priests. younger people are prone to having sex…its very open, its even a source of pride nowadays.  its easy to talk from the pulpit..
    i say, stop the hypocrisy. go out of your parishes, talk to street kids, to the parents living in the slum areas.. face the harsh  realities. the church has to open its mind to real circumstances happening in our midst.

    • reddfrog

      You have to wonder if they’re really following Christ, or the Great Deceiver – Satan. And btw – I don’t mind being a mutant, like Wolverine.

      • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

        I dont wonder because these priests are really not following Jesus Christ teaching.They are against the teaching of Christ.Jesus Christ told to His Disciple not to call anyone your father on earth when it comes to religion Matthew 23:9,but the priests address themselves as father.That is blasphemy.Jesus Christ teaches to freely give services in religions
        Matthew 10:8 ,but what those priests and the catholics did were/are, all the services have charges.

      • boypalaban

         ano dapat mo itawag sa tatay mo sa english: feather?
        aral ka muna nang di ka mahalatang feeling magaling.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      re: responsible parenthood, maganda diyan, sa high school itinuturo na yan, dapat me law na kasama sa HS pag aaral sa responsible parenthood… at kung pag nakaasawa na at palpak pa rin, nadiyan pa ang RH…. bat di na lang kay I strip off ang section 9 & 10 sa RH Bill? Siguradong tapos ang atungal ng mga Konta RH Bill

  • http://twitter.com/CrazyUpian Sonny Obsequio

    What an irony!  Preaching anti RH bill but why allow selling anti-abortions within the premise of quiapo, baclaran and other churches in metro manila????  These “herbs” are even more dangerous!   

    • reddfrog

       Dangerous = patay, patay = libing = kita na naman ang simbahan.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      These “herbs” are even more dangerous!”   Sure ka? 

      • http://twitter.com/CrazyUpian Sonny Obsequio

        try it so you will know… :-)  either you don’t know what i am talking about or you work in any of these church who allows these vendors to sell anti-abortion at their own whim…

  • ztefertilizerscam5

    PADRE DAMASO THIS IS CORRUPTION..

    Former Pres. Arroyo , corruption and many

    more..

    1. NBN ZTE Scandal

    2. Millions of bribe money to Congressmen and Governors

    (October 2007)

    3. Cheating in 2004 Elections (HELLO GARCI)

    4. Joc Joc Bolante Case (Fertilizer Scam, P728 Million)

    5. JOSE PIDAL Bank Account (Unexplained Wealth, P200

    Million)

    6. NANI PEREZ Power Plant Deal ($2 Million)

    7. Use of Road User’s Tax for Campaigning

    8. Billion Peso Macapagal Boulevard (Overprice of P532

    Million)

    9. Juetengate? (Illegal Numbers game kickbacks)

    10. Extra Judicial Killings

    11. Arroyo Moneys in Germany (Exposed by Senator Cayetano)

    12. General GARCIA and Other Military Men

    13. Billion Peso Poll Automation contract to(Mega Pacific)

    (P1.3 Billion)

    14. Northrail Project($503 Million)

    15. Maguindanao Results of 2007 Elections (ZUBIRI, BEDOL)

    16. NAIA-3

    17. Venable Contract (Norberto Gonzales)

    18. Swine Scam (Exposed by? Atty. Harry Roque

    19. GLORIA Arroyo son hidden assets in united states

    20. EURO GENERAL’S

    21. CALAMITY FUND SCANDAL.

    22. C-5 road controversy — Senator Manuel Villar

    23.P550-million worth of funds from the Overseas Workers’

    Welfare Administration (OWWA).

    24. P780-million LWUA funds-PROSPERO PICHAY

    25. BISHOPS’s SUV-Gloria Birthday gift

    26. Arroyo linked in P325M lotto intelligence fund

    27. Arroyo got P200M in kickbacks from govt projects-Zaldy

    Ampatuan

    28. P200.41 billion or $4.6 billion in Malampaya royalties

    from 2002 to May this year.

    • ztefertilizerscam5

      29.LACSON ACCUSED FG MIKE ARROYO OF SELLING 3  REFURBISHED 

      HELICOPTERS TO PNP AT P105 MILLION EACH

      30. 600,Thousand metric tons of Rotten rice imported from 

      India.Kishore Hemlani, an Indian trader allegedly close to 

      Arroyo, reportedly bagged the P9.5 billion contract for 

      the rice importation. 

      31. DATO ARROYO wife bought the condo unit for $570,000, 

           70-square-meter one-bedroom, one-bathroom unit (Unit 

      No. 533) at the luxury high-rise, full-service Gramercy 

      Towers located at 1177 California St. in upscale downtown 

      San 
      Francisco.

      32.- P50-million bribe to FG for the president’s veto of 

      two franchise bills

      33. The additional funding led to a 41-percent spike in  

      advertising expenses, from P76.129 million in 2008 to 

      P107.420 million in 2009, which went mostly to ads for 

      Arroyo’s achievements.

      34. The report said the PIA received from the Department 

      of Budget and Management a notice of cash allocations 

      amounting to P344.789 million, even though only P222.488 
      million was appropriated for it under the national budget.

      35.- Denial of pork barrel funds to Malacanang’s political 

       enemies

      36.- Praises for Jovito Palparan, alleged mastermind of 

      extra judicial killings of militants

      37.- Removal of govt bodyguards for former pres and Arroyo 

       critic, Cory Aquino

      38.- Appointment of manicurist as a member of the board of 

       Pag-Ibig

      39. Appointment of gardener as deputy of the Luneta Park  

      Administration.

      • ztefertilizerscam5

        40. MIDNIGHT APPOINTMENT of an Arroyo,RENATO CORONA, as SC 

        Chief Justice

              200+ other illegal midnight appointments

        41.- MIKEY ARROYO’s undeclared properties in California

        42.- Pardon of controversial convicted criminals like 

        Ninoy’s murderers

        43.- EO 464; requiring Cabinet members to seek 

        presidential clearance before testifying in Congress 

        hearings

        44.- Promise (on Rizal Day) to not run for the presidency 

        in 2004

        45.- “Vote Buying” by giving away Philhealth cards

        46.- Taxpayers’ money for her giant billboards and and 

        PCSO tv campaign ads[/b]

        47- Appointment of Ben Abalos, a staunch GMA ally, as 

        COMELEC chair

        48.- Mikey Arroyo’s importation of 32 thoroughbred horses 

        from Australia worth P384 million.

        49.Former First Gentleman Mike Arroyo used 2 choppers 16 

        times, son Mikey 69

        50.PNoy: PAGCOR spent P1 BILLION on coffee

        51.Jose Miguel Arroyo owned helicopters’
        all Robinson R44 Raven Is with Series Nos. 1370 to 1374
        A total of $1,423,025 was paid to Lionair for the five 

        helicopters.

        52.Pagcor ‘pabaon’ to Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo: P345M

        53.The godmother’s ties to the Pinedas(Jueteng lord)

        54. Glorietta 2 and Batasan bombings

            The Glorietta 2 bombing happened during the height of 

        the bribery case which took place in Malacañang.

        55. Misuse of Balikatan funds Navy Lt. Nancy Gadian 

        revealed an alleged malversation of funds in 2007

        56. Solon: Charge Gloria Arroyo for taking P98-M from 

        PNoy’s social fund

        57. 50 MILLION PABAON GENERALS

            Former Armed Forces chiefs of staff Narciso Abaya, 

        Dionisio Santiago, Generoso Senga, Hermogenes Esperon, and 

        Alexander Yano,chiefs of staff – Angelo Reyes, Diomedio  

        Villanueva, and Roy Cimatu and MANY MORE..

        58.Colmenares: GMA had P488 billion in ‘pork.

        59. P1 BILLION down the drain in Arroyo-era jatropha 

        project—DOST chief 
        60.Fishers push plunder rap vs Arroyo in purchase of ice machines( overpriced at P455 million in 2009.)
        61.$225-million overprice of Metro Rail Transit Corp. (MRTC), 
        62.Successor sues Pichay over P2.3-B fund mess
        63.Noli De Castro on P6.6B Pag-ibig housing scam

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Cases presently filed against GMA:

        #1 Comelec: Electoral Sabotage
        #2 PCSO: Plunder
        #3 n.a.

        Bakit 2:63 parin a ratio?

    • IzaSantos

      tell that to ur president… Hacienda Luisita, et al!

      • reddfrog

         Really, politicians of all stripes are the same. People, whoever they are, get corrupted by power. Just look at the RCC clergy, etc… But at least in the government there are checks and balances, and the people have the power to kick out then jail the corrupt – theoretically anyway.

      • boypalaban

         o naipakulong ba ng panginoon mo si gloriarrovo o si corokot?
        umayos ka…noon ka pa dito…wala kang sense!
        utak condom!

  • akosimickeymouse

    Catholisms is a business and a corruption using the name of the Lord…..this religion enjoying a tax free from the government while collecting monnies from people through offerings and solicitations…..the Born Agains, INC, El Shaddai and other sects are just a copycat from Catholic…these religion leaders in every sects knows that by gatherings peoples, it could raise money and could make them rich using charisma and their ability to hypnotized people through wisdom talks by using the name of the Lord…Let’s see these leaders like Manalo’s of INC, Pastor Quiboloy at Mike Vilarde they are rich through people’s offerings to them….Who is fooled by this religious leaders, it is the PEOPLE…and who is corrupt now the government or the Catholic that collecting offerings without paying taxes to the government and has the voice to say that government will misuse the taxes of the people by acquiring contraceptives….

    I’m not an atheist but i’m using my senses (brain and eyes) that God given me how to solve our country’s problems involving the right parenthood….as the secret says that: right begets right and wrong begets wrong, on this earth we have only two faces to succes and to fail but……i think RH BILL is just and will help us out of poverty….why CBCP and Anti-RH BILL pushers are in not right track because in not passing this bill…our people cannot be controlled in population explosion which many adversarial effects will happen like hunger’s, unemployment rate goes high,if many do not have work high crime rate will follow, slums in manila will also be seen everywhere in manila…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      “our people cannot be controlled in population explosion which many adversarial effects will happen like hunger’s, unemployment rate goes high,if many do not have work high crime rate will follow, slums in manila will also be seen everywhere in manila…”“i think RH BILL is just and will help us out of poverty” See, di ka pa nga sigurado kung makakatulong sa pag angat ng buhay natin mula sa povertyKe me HR Bill pa yan, di rin makokontrol ang populasyon kung walang limit ang pag aanak ng mga couples.. pano ka nakakasiguradong mag kokondom o mag pipills ang mga yan kahit libre? dapat yan pagkapanganak ng dalawa, talian agad si misis o si mister, siguradong solve ang population control natin at saka magiging lesser na ang gastos ng condoms at pills ang gobyerno, dapat yan ang mga itinutulak niyong PRO RH…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/24M3JZHF3SSM77ZZFLTBHCNQAM darkarrow

    Please pass this Bill many lives will be saved.

    • IzaSantos

      wala nga buhay. ano isi-save mo?  duh!

    • reddfrog

       Buhay sexual ng mga pari at obispo.

  • johndcross1

    Now they are talking about corruption.  Many priests are guilty of corruption.  Corrupting the innocent childrens in various parishes.  A bishop in the U.S. was found guilty recently of covering up a priest who commited sexual abuses on minor children by moving him from one parish to another parish only to commit another abuses.  Yes, they are guilty of corruptions, that is corruption on minor children. Remove the tax exemption of churches who engaged in too much interference in government and politics!

  • ztefertilizerscam5

    Corrupting the innocent childrens  ..

    Rev. Cristobal Garcia
    Garcia was expelled from the Dominican order in 1986 after a nun told police that an altar boy had been found in his bed in a Los Angeles rectory. The priest left for his hometown in the 
    Philippines in Cebu province, where he continued to serve and in 1997 was given the title of monsignor.

    Rev. Santiago TamayoAfter Tamayo was accused of abusing Rita Milla in the Los Angeles area, the church urged Tamayo to stay in the Philippines and mailed him checks, court documents show.Milla has maintained that she was molested by Tamayo at a church in Carson, Calif., when she was 16. After she turned 18, she said, she had sexual intercourse with Tamayo and he introduced her to six other priests who also abused her.After she was impregnated in 1982 by another priest at a Los Angeles-area church, Milla said, Tamayo suggested she get an abortion, then devised a plan to send her to the Philippines to have the child.Milla returned to California after giving birth to her daughter, Jacqueline. She sued the archdiocese in 1984, and won a $500,000 settlement.

    • UrHONOR

      SANTA mariang ina ng awa!  Tapos may mukha pa ang simabahan na magpatuloy sa mga pinaggagawa nilang “holiness”?  Anak ng tupang lamb, kung napatunayan mo na ng ilang ulit na pa-ulit-ulit na ang sinasapian mong samahan ay madumi pa sa tchos ng kalabaw, magpapatuloy ka pa bang makisama pa sa samahang yan?  Yong mga pinagkukumpisalan mo ng mga “kasalanan” mo ay mas makasalanan pa sa ito, hindi ka ba masusuka nyan?  Yong nagsesermon na huwag mong gawin ito at bawal yan, e, sila mismo ang gumagawa, hindi ka ba maduduwal sa pangyayaring yan?

      Utang ng mga ina nyan, dapat sarhan na yang TNL na samahan na yan dahil hindi na gumagana ang mga patakaran nito.  Tiyak yon na mas marami pang mga kasong hindi na-uulat tungkol sa mga kababuyang nangyayari sa siiglong ito sa simnabahang yan.  Yong mga nakaraang siglo, ay daghan kaayo senyor, dili lang sa pang-aabuso sexually kundi pati sa kupitan, nakawan, at torture. Anong klaseng samahan ito…samahan ng mga tulisang naka-puti? Katuwang ng mga tulisang naka-itim?

      Dito lang sa PH, yong kaso ni Crisistomo Yalung na nagkaroon ng sanggol na 6.5 lbs from an illicit affair, hindi ba sapat ng katunayan yan na yong alagad kuno ng dios ay hindi naniniwala sa mga turo at patakaran ng simabahan dahil siya mismo ay hindi sumunod at nakasunod sa alituntunin nito?  Hindi sumunod dahil alam nyang hao siao lang yong mga ginagawa nilang pananakot na bogey man.  Na kwartahan lang talaga ang samahang yan?   Maaari pang maintindihan ng katiting ang pagkakamali kung ordinaryong pari lang ito si Yalung. Pero, no, no, no no, no…hindi ordinaryong pari lang si Yalung.  BISHOP pa. Bishop ng Antipolo. At nanganak ulit yong kulasisi nya ng isa pa. Heto ang maganda: iniwanan ni Yalung ang kulasisi nya ng PhP6 million.  Anim na milyones.  Saan nakurakot ni Yalung ito?  Ganun ba kalaki ang nahahakot ng mga Bishop sa kanilang nagogoyo?  Ganda palang career talaga ang priesthood.  Nangyari ito nung 2003 kung kailan, e, mataas ba ang halaga ng PhP.  Si Yalung ngayon ay isang librarian sa US.

      So, anong conclusion ang mahahatak ninyo sa isang pangyayaring ito na inu-ulit-ulit-ulit lang ng pa-ulit-ulit-ulit sa buong mundo dahil hindi lang sa may katok na ang takbo ng samahan ng RCCh, kundi palyado na ang buong makina at sengglot na ang driver sa sakit ng ulo.

  • ztefertilizerscam5

    Corrupting the innocent childrens  .. 

    The case of Father Jose Superiaso is a grim reality that needs to be accepted, according to retired Archbishop Oscar Cruz.

    Superiaso, who is based in the US, had an intimate relationship with a Filipina and also sexually abused her 12-year-old sister.
    In 2005, Superiaso was convicted of child molestation and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
    Catholic priest to the United States to face sexual abuse charges filed 14 years ago.

    Fernando Sayasaya, a former priest who served in North Dakota, fled to the Philippines after brothers Hugo and Pablo Zamarron filed gross sexual imposition charges against him in the town of West Fargo.The brothers allege that Sayasaya sexually abused them between 1995 and 1998 both at their home and in church.

    • UrHONOR

      Father, Reverend, Bishop, Archbishop, Monsignor, Cardinal….at marami pang ka-echosan.  Bakit ang dami-daming sapin-sapin na titulo ang pinalulutang ng samahang ito?  Ano yan, mas banal, mas mataas ang titulo o pataasan ng “score”?  Noon, ang sipag-sipag kong magtatawag ng kung ano-anong titulo at may pahalik-halik pa sa kamay….ngayon, ni Mister hindi ko maaatim na matawag ang mga naka-sayang puti dahil baka pa nga ma-insulto…o ma-insulto ako at balikan ako ng:”Miss po ako, noh!”

      Taong lahat yan an uma-etchas at nagwe-wee-wee….lumalamon kung nagugutom at nang-aano kapag inabutan ng kati.  Hindi kung sino pa man ang mga yan na kung tagurian ay mga banal na ama.  Utang ng ama naman, banal?  Salamabet!

      Mas mataas ang ranggo, mas malaki ang kita at hatag.  Anong klaseng religion yan?  Di ba hindi na na-iiba sa corporate ladder?

  • ztefertilizerscam5

    Rev. Manuel Perez Maramba
    A lawsuit alleging sexual abuse by Maramba in the U.S. more than than 30 years ago was settled this month. The settlement was the third reached with the diocese of El Paso, Texas, and others in allegations of sexual abuse by the same Filipino priest.

  • dukaponte

    Kung pupunta lang sana ang mga obispo sa mga barangays sa city ng walang pasabi sabi, malalaman nila ang reality. Mahirap ang maging mahirap. Ang unang dahilan ay maraming anak na hindi kaya buhayin.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      So kasalanan ng Obispo kung bakit maraming anak? Talagang mahirap maging mahirap, mahirap na nga, kukutya kutyain ka lang, matamatain ka lang. Mahirap na nga, anak pa nang anak di namang masikap or masinop. Yong mga taong katulad non, dapat talaga ang tawag ay “IRESPONSABLE” ke nakapag aral man o hindi.. o batugan??? 

  • IzaSantos

    read the latest SONA.  :)

  • 12JEM

    MANILA, Philippines – The war of words and propaganda continues for
    and against the Reproductive Health (RH) Bill, with one of its champions
    seeking to “condomize” the alleged lies of the Catholic Church.

    In a statement, Albay Rep. Edcel Lagman said the clergy and lay
    allies’ statements from Saturday’s prayer rally “must be condomized to
    prevent the spread of black propaganda, political intimidation and
    virulent malevolence.”

    He said the Catholic Church can always express their views. He said
    free speech does not cover, however, “propagating falsehoods and
    intimidating legislators.”

    In a rally at the EDSA Shrine on Saturday, the Catholic Church
    reminded its followers of the measure’s link to birth control and warned
    them that “contraception is corruption.”

    Lagman said this statement is “irresponsible” and an “unfounded hyperbole.”

    “Contrary to the Church’s statement that contraception is corruption,
    it is the denial to women of access to medically safe, legal and
    effective contraception which corrupts their inalienable right to health
    and which could lead to maternal death,” he said.

    Citing studies, he said contraceptives do not cause any more harm than the likes of paracetamol, aspirin and other antibiotics.

    “On the contrary, high risk, unwanted and teenage pregnancies which
    the RH bill seeks to prevent, result in the escalating rate of maternal
    mortality and morbidity,” he said.

    He said dying from a car accident is much greater at 1 in 5,900 than dying from pregnancy at 1 in 10,000.

    “The RH bill is anti-abortion not only because it repeatedly provides
    that abortion is illegal, punishable and not a method of family
    planning, but it has also been established that regular and correct
    non-abortive contraception by choice reduces the abortion rate by 85%
    because high risk, unwanted and teenage pregnancies, which are usual
    candidates for abortion, are prevented,” he said.

    source: abs-cbn news

  • IzaSantos

    im not their alagad. im a protestant. 

    • reddfrog

       If the Catholics are protesting the RH bill, does that make them “Protestants”? ahahahahahahahahaha!

  • IzaSantos

    identify them here and lets protest! hindi maganda yun! 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

      Hoy magbabara ka ng newspaper para hind ka mukhang tanga. Ok?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

    HEADLINE HEWS:

    CONTRACEPTION IS CORRUPTION. says bishop Socrates. How about the bishops accepting pajero bribes form a corrupt Little girl president?  Not corruptions? 

    Sayang Socrates pa naman ang pangalan mo.

  • IzaSantos

    maliwanag sa una mong sinabi. why dont u rephrase it first then we can go ahead with the point u want to raise. :)

  • aleksis

    Giving alms to church is corruption! 

  • IzaSantos

    who said it was a bribe? can u post any link here?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

      Magbasa ka ng dailies. Naive.

  • johndcross1

    Dr. Jose Rizal was right after all!  The Padre Damaso of today is no different than the Padre Damaso of his time. They are CORRUPT!!!

  • PaengSaAmerika

    Contraception is corruption: Look who’s talking. Leaders of the Catholic Church have lost their moral command since the humiliating PCSO scandal was exposed. They’re licking their wounds so badly.

    • reddfrog

       The Roman Catholic Church has lost its moral authority even way before that, from the inquisition, to the collaboration with Hitler, to pedophilia and rape and the subsequent cover-up, to being found out that it is investing in birth control corporations, to homosexuality in the Vatican, etc, etc, etc……

      And to think the product they are selling is “morality”. If the Church is a company, matagal na dapat itong bankrupt.

      • PaengSaAmerika

        If it were a company, it wouldn’t still to go on bankruptcy because primarily it never pays taxes, owning hectares of lands and most of the time, getting some ayudas from the government. The Filipino people of this generarion know the importance of responsible parenthood. Sila ang nakakaramdam ng hirap at hindi itong mga paring ito.

    • IsipPinoy

       The nerve of them to talk about corruption! Kapalmuks talaga.

    • boypalaban

       lahat ba sa kanila nangurakot?
      ang issue ba mga pajero bishops?
      simulan mo na mag-distribute ng mga condom sa mga nagugutom na pamilya…pati sa mga biktima ng kalamidad…o punta na!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QSBNZB3TEKHJE5A74STZTTUHC4 ed0408

    I am a Catholic and support RH bill but very much willing to renounce my support if the Catholic Church is willing to sell 75% of their properties and distribute it to the poor. 
    They are very respectable and complain a lot and say they too are Filipinos but nerver support the gov’t. by paying taxes. We the taxpayers are the ones who are supporting the poor, the gov’t. and the church. The church should be charitable by selling some of their properties and distribute the proceeds to the poor.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Alam mo, nong panahon ng ating Panginoon Hesu Kristo, mga followers niya, tulad ng mga mayayaman, ipinamimigay nila mga ari arian sa mga less fortunate na kasamahan nila, or ibenebenta at ang proceeds ay pinag hahatian ng mga followers…pero malaking pag kakaiba ngayon, naging business na rin ang religion, at ang mga nakikinabang na lang diyan ay mga liders… malaking kabaligran talaga, noong araw mga liders ng simbahan (early christians) ay walang wala sila… 

      • reddfrog

        In the New Testament, Jesus said that if you want to serve God, you have to forsake everything, including your own family. Apparently this is one of the verses that the RCC ignored out of convenience.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        You are 100% right….

      • boypalaban

         out of context ka pogi…mag-aral ka muna ng tamang konteksto bago ka banat nang banat…hilig mo kasi sa condom e…yan ang napapala mo

  • danacute12

    as God bestowed us with free will don’t act as “gods” by corrupting our rights to choose. by having right to choose, don’t take away from us the privilege of having a cheaper and safer option. These contraceptives should be made available to the less fortunate. Why should we deny them of the safer option only available to those politicians who are hypocrites and only wants the Church support on the coming election. Ask them in front of the priests and of the public if they didn’t use the contraceptives?
    RH bill is one of the ways to solve many problems of the Philippines. Stop organizing rallies and promulgating that the people are committing a sin by supporting RH bill.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Can’t the people choose without the RH BILL when it comes to Family Planning?

      • Bart

        they can, but contraceptives won’t be free so the poor will still go on procreating even if they don’t want to. if the church would distribute them for free,let’s bury this bill now. and don’t tell me about withdrawal or abstinence, even priests fail n that. :D

      • reddfrog

         There is also the equally important component of education and availability of information.

      • danacute12

        plus the fact that it is not mandatory to all Filipinos. If it against their morality, nobody will force them to use. It is just giving the people a healthy altearnative than abortion and irresponsible parenting.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        during my time, e.g. marcos era, free condom and pills are also given free at the barangay health centers.. I think it was eradicated during cory’s time, as you know against dito ang simbahang tumulong kay ex pres. cory…(may she RIP)

      • danacute12

        logically RH bill compromises or supports the claims of family planning. It is just that family planning will be made accessible to the less fortunate and they will be educated more by legislating the RH bill.

  • Sarkasmos

    “Bolalin said that had it not rained, the 50,000 crowd that the organizers were aiming for would have been met.”….Even Mother Nature is not on your side. The arrogance of the Catholic Church’s “show of force” ending up with 7,000 people.

  • http://www.yahoo.com JOSE RIZAL

    RH Bill is an obsessive compulsive act by the underachiever mediocre man in the palace.  He can’t come up with effective economic planning, therefore, he should resort to some spoon-fed SHORT-CIRCUIT solution to the economic problems.  His track record is a “so so” so is his attitude in life.  He lacks the drive.
    Hahahaha! Objectivism is the key to economically & politically liberate the PH! 

    • reddfrog

       Copy and paste again.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        pag walang corrupt, walang mahirap!!! LOL….

      • reddfrog

         Pag walang humihingi ng pera o SUV, baka pwede pa mabawasan ang corrupt.

      • boypalaban

         pag walang gaya mo…di aasenso ang mga kurakot…wala silang panatikong mauuto…boploks!

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    Time-out for a joke:

    The Church argues that even without an RH Law, contraceptives are and have been available, so why legislate?  The Church forgets that there is a continuous need to educate each new generation about contraceptives, one of the purposes of the RH Bill.  Here’s a joke I found on the web that illustrates this—-
     
    – – – –
    A pretty blonde woman is driving down a country road when her car breaks down. She goes to the nearest farmhouse and knocks on the door. When the farmer answers, she says to him, ”My car broke down! I don’t know what to do! Can I stay here for the night until I can get some help tomorrow?” ”Well,” drawls the farmer, ”you can stay here, but I don’t want you messin’ with my sons Jed and Luke.”
     
    The blonde looks through the screen door and sees two men standing behind the farmer. ”Okay,” she says. After going to bed, the woman begins to get a little hot thinking about the two boys in the room next to her. So she quietly goes into their room and says, ”Boys, how would you like for me to teach you the ways of the world?”
    They say, ”Huh?”
    She says, ”The only thing is, I don’t want to get pregnant, so you have to wear these rubbers.” She puts them on the boys, and the three of them go at it all night long.
     
    Forty years later Jed and Luke are sitting on the front porch, rocking back and forth. Jed says, ”Luke? You remember that blonde woman that came by here forty years ago and showed us the ways of the world?”
    ”Yeah,” says Luke, ”I remember.”
    ”Well, do you care if she gets pregnant?” asks Jed.
    ”Nope,” says Luke, ”I reckon not.”
    ”Me neither,” says Jed. ”Let’s take these things off.”

    • Jeremiah_CheGuevara

       what you forgot to tell us is that jed and luke became moral perverts and social degenerates and went on a rampaging killing spree because of the perverted and immoral values they have imbibed as a result of that immoral practice done by the blonde who by the way was an advocate of RH BIll, a bill that will pervert society’s sound moral values and substitute them with the decadent happy go lucky philosophy.

      • mad_as_Hamlet

        Well, I don’t know where you got that part. As far as I know it was just a joke. But if your rather wild and loose imagination had enough sense in it, judging from their names, Jed and Luke, could really have been catholics and, with enough indoctrination about “moral values,” could have done what you related, and, most probably, in order to get back at a “decadent society” as an atonement for what they thought were their sins.  Quite ultimately the same justification that the catholic Nazis propped up when they started killing Jews by the millions.

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        well said

      • nakatutok

        thank you…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MZOKC6X7Q52Z4E5VLYNB7GF72Y Kaloy

    What will you do with the more than 100 million filipinos now,  60 million of which were born after the early 70s?  Lots of fairly young people to look after. 

    And yet, the irony of the whole thing is the fanatics, the damasos and the pajero bishops with the support of the minority in congress plus the Little lady girl (aka the melon girl) are asking for more more babies..

    More poverty?
    More street beggars?
    More unemployed?
    More prostitution
    More ofws to suffer in other countries.
    More illiterate.

    Crazy!

    Please leave the government alone.
     

    .

    • Jeremiah_CheGuevara

       RH BIll can never and will never solve the problems you have identified. It will only make matters worst. It is too myopic and palliative. You’ll only make those politicians and big drug companies happy and expose our poor people as their guinea pigs. You think it will solve poverty, do away with street beggars, unemployed, prostitution, illiterate???? Are you kidding me? RH BIll will only sanction at most the killing of innocent lives. Good the politicians in the past didn’t pass such kind of bill otherwise, you and me might not be here arguing. RH Bill is a crazy bill espoused by stupid people!

    • boypalaban

       mag aral ka muna ng tamang pag-iisip…pantanga yang sinulat mo.
      sige pakibanggit dito kung may nagsabi na mag-anak nang marami at gutumin pagkatapos…
      o punta ka na sa mga skwater…mamigay ka na ng condom…
      condom overdose ang sakit mo…

  • Jack Alvarez

    OMG!
    Yes to Saved Sex, No to Safe Sex. ???

    • efriend

      That is why the UN has to act.  These idiots are uncontrollable.  I guess even the Vatican is disturbed.

      • nakatutok

        yes, disturbing talaga ang multiple username like you….mamaya si KapitanOByus ka na naman..and who knows kung ano pang username gamit mo??? per comment ba bayad sa inyo???

  • sacrebleau

    Contraception = Corruption? This is the twisted logic of the Church leadership. Squatters with large families probably make sense to them. Criticizing the gov’t takes the spotlight away from their failure to instill good values; or has the Church stop doing that and is now a political force? A paid mouthpiece perhaps?

    • reddfrog

       They are acting more like extortionists and propagandists now.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        Pero me tama naman ang nasabi ng pari, mas claro sana kung sinabi niyang “moral corruption”… baka madaling maintindihan ng mga tao yong nasabi niya…pero malamang di rin maintindihan ng mga so called ‘Christians’….

  • kulittwit

    Damasong soc villegas, wala akong narinig sa yo about the pajeros. Bulag, pipi, at bingi kayo kapag kabaru nyo. Wala kayong pinagkaiba sa mga congressman kaya wag kayong magmalinis.

    Double standard. hypocrite.
     

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ERJ5W3KK4C5FXFTPDD2JU7HLW4 Andrew

    please pass the law…i may not be a resident of your country but i empathized with the millions of filipinos getting their day go by without food. i am a catholic but when it comes to the physical well-being of every human life, it has to be fed and the word of god will not provide that, it’s only for the soul, not for  every hungry child dying of malnutrition….educate your people well because a healthy government starts from the healthy unit of a society i.e. family.

    • done_druff

      The bill will NOT provide food for the hungry filipino! That’s a fact! 

      And please do not brag yourself as Catholic when you are not one with the Church! It is like saying, I am Catholic but I will just follow what is satiable and pleasing to me!

      • Harvey Diaz

         there you go again with this simpleton logic. If families were able to plan better, as they do in most countries including every other Catholic country except the Philippines, then there would be less hungry people to feed, beg, or prostitute themselves. Check the studies on family size and poverty incidence. Not all Catholics are as blind as you, and 70%+ of them support the RH bill while you right wingers say natural family planning only and dont even have programs that work

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        Harvey, bata ka pa malamang, Tama ang nsabi ni done_druff,
        The bill will NOT provide food for the hungry filipino! That’s a fact!  “
        Sa tingin mo di puwedeng mag plano ang couples pag walang RH Bill?

      • boypalaban

         bakit yung mga catholic countries na may RH mahirap pa rin?
        pakipaliwanag nga super genius….

      • Bart

        It will also prevent more mouths to feed as we can see the poorer the family the more the number of their children. That’s also a fact!

      • MonMayuga

        … or the bigger the number of the members of the family grows the poorer it becomes. That is also a fact.

      • reddfrog

         I think you’re not used to thinking.

      • boypalaban

         you are not used to what is sane..

  • MonMayuga

    Some telling statements  of Lingayen Bishop Socrates Villegas

    1. Contraception is corruption.
    2. Kung walang anak, walang mahirap.
    3. We can have more classrooms, more food, more jobs if we would be less corrupt.
    4. Corruption in the government is the reason for the country’s slide to poverty.

    The first two statements defy reason, contradicts basic logic, and are absolutely absurd and fallacious.

    The other two (3 and 4), he better tell it to the person who created erstwhile Malacanang Diocese and giver of expensive sports utility vehicles (SUVs) to bishops, Gloria Arroyo. For it was during her illegitimate reign which they condoned, abetted and tolerated where corruption was at its worst, when children had lesser classrooms, millions of families had lesser food on their tables and more people were either underemployed or unemployed.

    It was during her scandalous reign which they abetted, condoned and  tolerated that made the country slid to poverty.

    And if the Church really are really on the side of the poor then they should pay real estate taxes for the vast property such as landholdings and business outfits it owns so that the revenues the government can earn from them would be used to build ore classrooms, better roads, more health facilities and more aid to the poor who could hardly afford at least two decent meals a day. 

    But instead of that, what does the Church do? Accept donations from the many obscenely rich who think perhaps that they can bribe God so that their sins would be forgiven. Look at that bishop in Paranaque which is considered the richest diocese in the country. what did he do with the millions of Church funds?

    There are many “Zacchaeuses” in this diocese who give the Church just but a fraction of their wealth which run in the millions but which are reportedly missing.

    And, Bishop Villegas, tell those priests to subdue their promiscuity and stop siring “fatherless” children or molesting boys. 

    I vividly remember the experience related to me by a cousin. She was a college student in Manila where they had a boarding house. She met a priest who celebrated mass during the barrio fiesta in our place. She invited her boarders (all good looking girls) to the fiesta. Teh priest befriended her and her friends whose trust he won by virtue of him being a “man of God.” He told them he would like to meet them in Manila to have fun in discos.

    My cousin and her friends agreed and a date was set. They went to a disco where they danced. As he was dancing with my cousin she felt that the priest was inching closer to her and she felt that he had a erection. Sensing it, my cousin distanced herself from him saying loudly, “Aba, aba Father!”

    She told her friends about it and they called it a night in dismay.

    I have also seen an obviously homosexual priest shamelessly embracing young boys who are members of a religious group that attend mass in his church. Later on, the boys stopped coming when his intentions became clearly obvious.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      “1. Contraception is corruption.
      2. Kung walang anak, walang mahirap.
      3. We can have more classrooms, more food, more jobs if we would be less corrupt.
      4. Corruption in the government is the reason for the country’s slide to poverty.
      The first two statements defy reason, contradicts basic logic, and are absolutely absurd and fallacious.”

      Yong statement na 1, me tama ang pare, yong statement number 2, sinasabi lang na dati daw, sabi ni pnoy, kung walang corrupt, walang mahirap, ngayon daw, para na ring sinabing kung walang anak, walang mahirap, and thats his opinion, whats wrong with that?

      • MonMayuga

        “What Bishop Socrates Villegas said was his opinion.”  I do not question his right to say what he thinks but rather defend his right to say it. That is the essence of democracy. 

        Anyone can say what he thinks but his right to say it does not mean that what he said is right.

        He is named Socrates, presumably because the persons whom gave him that name idolized the Greek philosopher Socrates.

        The medieval Socrates perceived the developments within his region as immoral and questioned their collective notion. The modern Socrates likewise perceives the developments in this country in this age and time of the 21st century from his medieval point of view as immoral.

        The modern Socrates is trying to corrupt the minds of the youth by teaching the outdated and antiquated dogmas of the Church.

        He should drink hemlock before he poisons the minds of the faithful who are being led to follow ideas that are no longer abreast with the changing times.

  • sitsiritsit

    pag nagutom ba ang mga anak namin makakakuha kami ng tulong pinansiyal sa simbahan? bobo ang nagsabing contraception is corruption… 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Gumawa ka ng paraan at magtrabaho ka para di magutom ang mga anak niyo, ganon lang kasimple yon…Ops wala kang trabaho? Kasalan ng ‘SIMBAHAN’….

      • sitsiritsit

        kampon ka rin siguro njg bobong pari na yun hehehhehehe sige saan ang trabaho sa pilipinas.. ilang milyon na nga ang wlang trabaho me nalalaman pa yang bobo mong kampon na contraception is corruption, palibhaso mga supot ata kayo hahahahahahaha

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        LOL, ako supot? ni di mo nag alam kung saan ako eh…kung walang trabaho kaninong kasalanan, alam mong wala kang trabaho mag anak ka? eh wala ka palang kuwenta eh, idinamay mo pa ang walang muwang na bata sa kahirapan mo, tamad lang ang walang trabaho sa Pinas…O sagutin ko na kasi bulag ka at walang common sense, kasalanan nong magulang at ng gobyerno kung kayat walang trabaho…

      • boypalaban

         TSUPAERO,,,,di ka ba nasiyahan nung tsinupa mo mga pari?

    • boypalaban

      punta ka na sa mga mahihirap na nagugutom…bigyan mo na ng condom…BOBO!

  • pinoynga

     

    If there’s one statement that, as a concerned citizen I would like to
    contribute to this sensitive and emotional issue on the PH BIlls is, that:
    “INTELLIGENCE and not IGNORANCE solves problems. Likewise, having lots of
    money will not also solve poverty, having lots of INTELLIGENCE will.

    When Jesus was tested and asked whether people should continue to pay taxes
    to Caesar, Jesus didn’t say that it was bad or that people should drop taxes
    altogether and defy Caesar. Jesus simply said that they should give to God what
    is God’s and give to Caesar what’s is Caesar’s.

    If our so-called church leaders can only convince and preach effectively
    like how Jesus did, then many will be more enlightened rather than confused.
    Many more would be saved rather than be dead, physically and spiritually.

    Our church leaders fail to see that their problem is not the RH BIll, but
    rather morality. The problem is not the RH Bill, but rather, corrupted, morally
    deteriorated, and spiritually poor in spirit members of the flock. That the
    problem is not the RH Bill per se, but rather peoples’ problem of FAITH.

    If the church leaders have just focused on their own “business,”
    which is that of FAITH, and not of POLITICS, then their “business” of
    saving souls could have made a big difference to the faithful.

    But unfortunately for us the faithful, the church leaders are as confused
    and as lost in their blinded interest on POLITICS, rather than minding their
    own “business,” that of strengthening FAITH. Our church leaders
    continue to confuse rather than establish clear understanding and knowledge
    between the “daang matuwid” and the “daang baluktot.” Our
    church leaders decided to get involved more in political exercises rather than
    more in spiritual exercises. Unfortunately, this failure of our church leaders
    does not only make many economically poor, but also make many mentality as well
    as spiritually POOR.

    There is no other more tragic than for the continuous growth of the many who
    are physically, mentally, emotionally,  and spiritually POOR! No thanks to
    our church leaders!

    FAITH is not a matter of IGNORANCE and
    BLINDNESS. FAITH is INTELLIGENCE and CLARITY of MIND, HEART, SPIRIT and
    PURPOSE.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

      Bravo!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2WMT24SVBOUEKNWDSYDHI7S55Y Dutch

      well said, you could improve the country and faith. Thanks

    • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

      But unfortunately for us the faithful, the church leaders are as confused
      and as lost in their blinded interest on POLITICS, rather than minding their
      own “business,” that of strengthening FAITH.
      WHAT FAITH THESE CATHOLIC LEADERS ARE GOING TO STRENGTHEN?THE CATHOLICS HAS BEEN AROUND IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR MORE THAN 400YRS,AND WHAT FAITH THEY HAVE STRENGTHEN?OBVIOUSLY,THEIR INTENTION WAS NOT TO GATHER PEOPLE TO WORSHIP GOD BUT TO COLLECT MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE TO ENRICHED THEMSELVES.THAT’S  WHY THEY ARE ALL LEAVING A LUXURIOUS LIVES.I CAN ONLY SAY,GOD HAS ITS OWN TIME TO REVEAL ALL THESE HYPOCRITES PRETENDING TO BE OF GOD.

    • TGM_ERICK

      Well said! 10M likes! :-)))

    • boypalaban

       political lang ba ang RH BIll?
      feeling magaling ka ano?
      congrats tuwang tuwa sa yo mga gahamang pulitiko…

      • pinoynga

        THANK YOU!

  • sitsiritsit

    takot ang simbahan kasi mas malamang mas maraming pinoy ang gagamit ng contraception pag naging availble na… sa mahal ba naman .. eh unahin na nila ipambili ng pagkain ng pamilya nila… heheheheh contraception is corruption .. bobo  talaga…

    • boypalaban

       kasing boploks mo

      • sitsiritsit

        hahahaha bobo nga ako pero ang pumatol sa bobo mas bobo waaaa hahahahahaa

  • sitsiritsit

    buti na lang nabasa ko sa bible.. na parang ganito… na kung minsan buti pa ang walang relihiyon hindi nagkakasala… hehehehe

  • lukecowboy

    NEXT TIME BISHOP YOU NEED TO PAY YOUR TAX …. PLEASE AMEND THE LAW LET THEM PAY TAXES

    • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

      THE CATHOLICS LEADERS SHOULD PAY TAXES.THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD KNOW THAT EVEN JESUS CHRIST PAY TAXES  TO CAESAR DURING HIS TIME.

      • boypalaban

         hindi pala alam ng gobyerno yan?

  • Jeremiah_CheGuevara

    RH Bill will only promote irresponsible parenthood, not responsible parenthood and will further fuel corruption in govt. How can a bill suddenly promote responsible parenthood which takes years, moral discipline and sound education to nurture. The RH Bill is just like past laws on population control during Marcos time. It never delivered what it promised. Poor becomes poorer because shortcuts never solve deep-seated problems in the long run. RH Bill is too myopic!

    RH Bill will instead further corruption among politicians and people in govt. With more than P3billion budget, half of that will only go to corrupt officials. medicines have the biggest corruption cut among govt projects with at least 50% going to kickbacks. Politicians and Govt people know this take and like in the past this too is bound to fail big. What is worst however is the moral deterioration the RH Bill will impart to the poor, the guinea pigs of RH Bill.

    PNOY must not destroy his mother’s good name by espousing immoral laws but must instead concentrate on solving corruption, the social cancer plaguing the nation. Tama siya nooon – kung walang corrupt, walang mahirap! Corruption is still rampant and now he wants to add fuel to the existing corruption by passing this RH Bill with at least P3billion budget, 1.5Billion of which will be pocketed by its implementors.

    Don’t kill life! Promote life! Spare the poor from becoming guinea pigs of big drug companies who stand to profit trillions of pesos from this RH Bill. 

  • CyberPinoy

    Mawalang galang na po CBCP pero pano naging curruption ang contraception, maawa po kayo sa mga mahihirap na gusto magplano sa pamilya nila. Trabaho po ng gobyerno ang mag provide sa mga kababayan natin ng means para makapag plano sila kung gaano kadami ang anak nila. Nasa tao na po yun kung gusto nila mag contraception ang mahalaga meron sialng choice. Wag nyo naman ipagkait sa mga pilipino ang karapatan nilang mamili kung papano nila iplano ang pamilya nila. The PH Govt should pass RH, the Filipino people needs it. 

  • yesyesyo

    Again, misinformation from the damasos to mislead the public.

    My wife had ligation last year and there was no corruption in it. 

  • ztefertilizerscam5

    PADRE DAMASO

    Aba naman Gloriang Swapang, Puno ka ng grassa, Pinandidirihan ka ng tao Ang yaman ng bayan ay? kinurakot mo lahat Bukod kang mandaraya at sinungaling Sasambahin ka lahat ng sip-sip na alipores? mo Sumaimpierno sana ang kaluluwa mo At pinagmumura din ang lahat ng mga anak mo at asawa mong mabaho pa sa bilasang isada Ang yaman na ninakaw mo Ay sindami ng kasalanan mo Ikaw ay sasantohin ng lahat ng demonyong nakapaligid sa iyo, Dahil sa nakaw mong puwesto….wala ng natira sa… A-M-E-N-

    • boypalaban

       pekeng anti corrupt…simsimin mo ang baho ng kupal ni lagman….at dilaan mo puwet ni corokot…at isubo mo kargada ni mike arrovo!

  • done_druff

    Haven’t you read Magna Carta for Women? Read section 17. It deals with sexuality, family planning methods, access to information and education. This RH bill is a redundant one and will only guarantee an increase in budget to buy contraceptives! These contraceptives kill a fertilized ovum — a direct violation of the Constitution. This is abortion — medical abortion!

    • reddfrog

       Again, misinformation. Pari ka ano.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

        read and understand about the word “conception”… “increase in budget to buy contraceptives! These contraceptives kill a fertilized ovum — a direct violation of the Constitution. This is abortion — medical abortion!” Me tama rin siya dito kahit papano…

      • boypalaban

         ako hindi pari at hindi katoliko…pero di gaya mo na mababaw…kiss mo mga amo mo sa tongreso…uto uto!

  • done_druff

    This is how you will treat a group of people who are against your views! This kind of a thinking is of level good for Hitler’s general!

    • reddfrog

       The Vatican collaborated with Hitler during World War 2. Especially since its the Jews that were being exterminated.

      • IanAlera

        redcrab

        IDIOT

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YYXTVWOQDPHNNUNA2R2JLH2QZ4 beth

    Mga walanghiyang pari, sa IMPYERNO rin ang bagsak ninyo…..

    • boypalaban

       o puso mo…di talaga kailangan condom…mas kailangan para sa highblood mo…
      relax lang…sa impiyerno rin? RIN? sigurado kasama ka….hahahahaha

  • Jeremiah_CheGuevara

    RH Bill is a product of the modern decadent western philosophy advocating palliatives, quickies, fastfood and shortcuts  and that if it feels good, just do it. It is a departure from the tested philosophy of no pain – no gain, of instilling proper discipline, that one reaps what he sows. How can it promote responsible parenthood? The congressmen and govt men espousing the RH Bill are not even responsible parents themselves. Becoming responsible parents is a matter of learning the proper moral values that come from proper education at home, in school and in actual life. RH Bill will be like Marcos population control and Ramos’ condoms. Did they solve the problems they’re supposed to address? NO Sir. And now they come up again with another racket that will enrich them momentarily and enrich those amoral drug companies big time. WAKE up PNoy. I thought you’re like your mother in morals that’s why I went out of my way to vote for you. I was WRONG and I regret big time for assuming like mother like son! Like David’s sons, your morals is not like your mother however!

    • efriend

      Yes, we woke up and you shut up.  We are not here to listen to your sermons.  What we do inside our bedrooms is none of your business.

      • nakatutok

        what time ka magiging KapitanOByus???

    • reddfrog

      Jeremiah, what you are talking about only points to the utter failure of the RCC in pushing for the “tested philosophy of no pain – no gain, of instilling proper discipline, that one reaps what he sows.” The clergy themselves are as corrupt and greedy as ever.

  • sitsiritsit

    yung mga kontra sa RH bill mga supot yan hahahaaahhahaha

    • boypalaban

      di ka ba nag-enjoy nung sinipsip mo?
      mas gusto mo pala sumipsip na may balot….
      anong flavor ba ang ilalagay ko sa kargada ko para mag-enjoy ka?

      • sitsiritsit

        waaaaaaa tinamaan hahahahahahahah

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DC3PQLKCHQUT6IARXF3MRUQKAM Rommel

    I will not support RH Bill if the Church will provide the basic necessities of man if parents cannot provide. Otherwise, for the sake of humanity, let it pass.

  • PinasK0ngMahal

    contraception is corruption, receiving pajero is not!

  • sasama

    ,,,hoy pari…banal na asu…santung…kabayu….natatawa aku hihihi…cabalen…dugung asu ne…

  • VeryDisgusted2

    Don’t believe these armchair moralists. Look at Villegas. His face is bloated with fine food and wine. I think this face is too lazy to visit slums and console families and kids going without food day in and day out. These Damasos are the proponents of Irresponsible Parenthood and are directly responsible of nation’s overpopulation, poverty, illiteracy, diseases, unemployment, and criminality. In short, these fat men should be charged with heinous crime or plunder. 

    • efriend

      He is politically savvy.  He was the chief factotum of the late Cardinal Sin.  Look at where he is right now.

      • nakatutok

        and you are KapitanObyus…at the same time, also using the username farmerson, and who knows kung ano pa…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6K2F3JO2ZWNULVFQ3YZD7EHU2Y Robert Delamor

    Hindi dapat “RH Bill” ang itawag na dito. “RHP.”

    Relihiyon para sa mga
    Hari na nagpapanggap na
    Pari.

    Ang katotohanang katwiran ng Karamihang PARI na mahirap ilabas na katotohanan:
    “Mas maraming tao, mas maraming perang maipapasok sa bangko”  

    Ito naman si bolerong Mike Vilarde, Ilan na po ba ang naglalakihang bahay nyo?
    nadaanan po nmin ng mga katrabaho ko nun early 90’s pa ang bahay nyo sa BF Homes.
    ngayon 2012 na po. Pwede po bang magtanong?  mang mike villa…este…vilarde.
    Magkano na po ang pera nyo sa bangko?

  • mad_as_Hamlet

    When the time comes for the “vote,”  I hope the members of Congress do not forget that under our Constitution, which they swore to defend and uphold, civilian authority is at all times supreme over the bishopry.

  • mark sahaoman

    the church should lecture on avoiding premarital sex and should not lecture on RH bill which is the affairs of the state…

    • reddfrog

       It’s difficult to lecture effectively if the lecturer himself is engaging in premarital sex.

      • efriend

        or pedophilia!

      • nakatutok

        or KapitanObyus..also farmerson…..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6X6AGIHEIRHEDSDMPO2QZSG7Q petrus

         Oh Jose Rizal. Thanks for your “El filibustersmo” You really hit the point.

      • cute79

        hahaha grabe nman kayo may mga pare din namang mga mbabait tlaga.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/6L2QCCYRYJZLHMET4JLNWPB46U ampyrms

      You are absolutely correct. The church should reach out to the poor people’s community and teach about premarital sex, the word of God, like the old times, and not just sitting in their airconditioned sanctuaries waiting for money to drop. My prediction is, they(pertains to the Catholic church) will support Gloria Makapal(not a typographical error) Arroyo in her election bid, because she is under their spell and she gives them Luxury cars, hahaha. Kawawa naman tayong mga Pinoy at Bumalik na is Padre Damaso.

  • rmichael2

    The poor are in fact being used to conceal budget use for bogus social projects and relief operations, thus paving the way for corruption. So if we continue to let this population growth remain unchecked, more ghost projects of helping the poor can be used to conceal corruptive acts. 

    On another note, even without these contraceptives, those who will engage in unhealthy sex practices, would still do so. Why are these priests so in denial?

    Protection would at least give them a chance to redeem themselves tomorrow, rather having one night of sexual encounter resulting to lifelong misery.

  • williev

    reddfrog…i don’t know but it seems you have a point and i find myself agreeing with you on this matter.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PJJOXJHS2C6TSRFK6CY3MQO4JM Cesar

    AT maximum estimate – 10 000 went to the rally. Anong porsiyento po ba ng Catholics sa Metro Manila ang dumalo?
    Kaya mga congressman, wag matakot sa Catholic votes. Di po ito totoo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JHEMMDR2P5SRQO6JW47SDTVAFQ kindness in kind

    the best contraceptive is a job.

    free condoms and sex education will not do it.

    • mark sahaoman

      the best contraceptive is abstinence… 100% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancy.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JHEMMDR2P5SRQO6JW47SDTVAFQ kindness in kind

        for your sake, i hope you re not serious mark

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_D3LDMMAKC6UDQLDVFP2DGSJBXY Jezzrel

    Me nakapagsabi dito na redundant daw ang RH bill ng existing “Magna Carta for Women?”.. eh kung ganon, isulong na lang na ire-draft ang RH Bill at tanggalin ang section 9 & 10, eto lang naman ang kinokontra ng mga anti-RH. Kung mag reklamo pa rin sila, idraft ulit at ibalik ang section 9 & 10 saka ipasa ang bill. 

  • wakats

    “The church maintains that modern contraceptive methods prevent procreation, which should be the only function of sex.”  This is rather new and highly debatable.

    As good Christians, are we supposed to follow said pronouncement?

  • FORTHE GOOD

    Not even the half million hakot crowd of iglesia ni manalo was able to sway the lawmakers.

    The saturday rally was a show of weakness and misinformation.

  • rmichael2

    Sex can never function only for procreation. So if a couple want only two children, they should only have sex, twice in their lifetime?….these priests need to be realistic and practical….sex is also for a healthy relationship between couples, yet couples should be given the choice when and when not to conceive, to maintain a healthy family size, and for the safety of the mother..

    • wakats

      I fully agree with you rmichael2.  Remember the song “Sapagkat kami ay tao lamang” that bolsters the biological needs for sex of healthy and matured individuals even if it’s not right, oftentimes,  to do so.

      Many clerics around the world find themselves embroiled in this kind of situation because they are “just human” like us ordinary people. 

  • saintleonardo

    The biggest problem with the Philippines today is that those people who can not even feed themselves are those who are having children. Can the Catholic church and other religions can guarantee that a big portion of their remittance to Rome or to their upper echelon will be spend first to this children. The problem for this religious organization is the desire to increase their membership no matter what. Be careful with those politician who are now running for election promising something for the detriment of Filipino people as long as they will get the support of the religious organization. The Filipino people should refrain from giving money to all this churches and give it instead to the unfortunate children whose parents can not even feed themselves.

    • wakats

      Saintleonard – you hit the head of the nail.  That’s the very essence of the RH Bill – information drive on those couples, whether legally married or just “live-in partners” who continue to procreate even if the next meal is not yet assured. 
      The Church is very aggressive on their opposition to the said Bil but did they offer any solution to this nagging problem?
      The government has offered baskets of solutions but the Church did not accept them – saying that overpopulation is not the reason for poverty.  
       

    • Joseph Perez

      We did ask CARITAS Manila :)

      Maybe you should ask the government what he is doing to the poor? The last time I heard is that they will relocate thousands of Manila poor? And that is their solution

      Truly Genius :) :) :)

  • http://twitter.com/gemaramil Gem Votes #6T.Casino

    Tutol ako sa puntong “ito” ang ugat ng kahirapan [over population] at ang lunas ay RH bill. Mas maganda nga yun e, mas madaming ”working force”. Kaso dito papasok ang tanong na sino ang makikinabang? Ang sentral na problema ng kahirapan ay dahil sa “hindi pantay na distribusyon ng yaman” dahil nakasentro lang ito sa kamay ng ilan, hindi dahil “over populated” Sa halip na bigyan ng solusyon ang kahirapan ay sinisisi pa ng gubyerno ang mga biktima ng isang mapagsamantalang sistema, ang mga mahihirap, upang mapagtakpan ang krimen at pagsasamantala ng mga kapitalista’t panginoong maylupa. Ika nga ni Mahatma Gandhi, “the world has enough for everybody’s need, but not for everbody’s greed”. Sa katunayan, ang pinagsamang kita ng Top 40 Filipino billionaires ay umaabot nang US$47 bilyon o katumabas ng P1 trilyon. Halos kapareho na ito ng proposed National budget para sa 2013. Samantalang ang kita ng isang pamilya nasa bottom 30% ng ating populasyon ay umaabot lang sa P5,200 kada buwan, o P173 kada araw.

     Pero kung ang dahilan ay para protektahan ang mga kababaihan, ee “pro” ako. Gaya ng RH bill ng GABRIELA.

  • daniboy2012

    Pinoys make some noise…defy these old rag catholic priests…catholicism is not for us..its for european fools!

    • cute79

      kung alam mo lang na wala ng tiwala ang mga tao  sa europe sa simbahan.marami silang catholic churches pero krmihan walang pari at wala ring nagsisimba.gamitin lang church pag may patay at binyag,ang wedding nman ay kdlsan sa city hall na.

  • daniboy2012

    Can I ask on this forum…why do filipinos embraces this catholic religion..when it did raped and enslaved our culture and made our ignorant masses like zombies???

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6X6AGIHEIRHEDSDMPO2QZSG7Q petrus

       Jose Rizal is rite in his “el filibusterismo”

    • Joseph Perez

      I am also puzzled by it :) In Marcos time the only refuge the filipino sought is the church :)

      I dont know the Church has no army. No military and I ask why is it that everyone seems to be edgy HERE when she speaks :) 

      It seems to me that in times of distress we look upon Her as the source of our strength :)

      That is why everybody here is edgy :) :) :)

  • panhase

    As Galileo said: “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God, who has endowed us with senses, reason and intellect, has intended us to forgo their use.”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CWFTC6N7TLQGE3J4CQCRTZESPQ handsomeb

    OMG. These people are being manipulated by the Church. So many lives will be saved if RH Bill is passed. We need this Bill. The Bishops should know better and yet still they refuse to see the damage they have done. No to safe sex? WTF! Anung hinhintay ng ng Bishops na to? Na magkasakit ng HIV/Syphilis at Gonorrhea ung mga constituents nila? Or di kaya sila mismo magkasakit ng ganun? PREVENTION saves Lives and it is so much better than Cure. Spain is a catholic country and yet they have a reproductive health bill. Enough with these shites. We should strive for moderation. PASS THE BILL MR. PRESIDENT. YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT and the COUNTLESS PEOPLE WHO NEED IT SO BAD.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EOPTE2MND2X4US7LRXVBXIZNYM Dino

    Kung walang MitsuBISHOP, walang mahirap.
    Kung walang MitsuBISHOP, walang corrupt.

  • teifwald sinclair

    It is time to realize that Catholicism is the source of all evil. I know someone who is illiterate will reply here, so let me clarify that IM JUST PERTAINING TO CATHOLICISM not CHRISTIANITY. So priest/pope/archbishop or any hypocrite man before you educate people, educate yourself first. Catholicism is the worst most evil RELIGION in the history of MANKIND. My fellow countrymen please stop being blinded by this so-called “holy religion”.

    • daniboy2012

      fxck em..they are evil!

  • Vernon UK London

     CBCP- what’s your alternative solution versus RH bill? What is your
    solution to poverty and increasing population of poor,  uneducated and
    unfed kids?

    • Joseph Perez

      Vernon the CBCP has already addressed some of your concerns. 

      1. They created cooperatives for the poor in Baseco and other areas in the country
      2. They have a feeding program that has said to have said 100,000 poor kids.
      3. The first to respond in any calamity stricken areas much better than the government
      4. The church has given scholarships to deserving students who are poor

      The church should not be like this his primary role is to nourish the soul but we are doing this coz we are also the church of the poor

      Now maybe you should ask yourself this question what is the government doing in

      1. The shortages of classrooms in the country?
      2. What is the government is doing to the poor of the country?
      3. What is the government doing to alleviate the plight of the poor?

      If theyre only answer is the RH Bill then they have done nothing at all 

    • PaengSaAmerika

      Pasensiya ka na Vernon UK London, wala silang alternatibong paraan. Di nila kayang sagutin yan. Sila ang dahilan kaya lumobo ang populasyon ng mahal nating Pilipinas. Every time the government pushes its family planning program, tutol ang simbahan. Even Marcos was afraid of them during his time.

  • Guest

    Hindi ko maintindihan kung bakit ang mga bishops ay nakabihis na parang hari sa misa pero sinasabi nilang they have this vow of poverty. May parang korona sila sa ulo, may dalang makintab na tungkod, at nakabistidang parang may kapa sa likod. Hindi ba pwedeng simple lang. When Jesus was here on Earth, would he have dress up like that? Isn’t it a form of corruption when you look different from the very person you are trying to emulate.

  • Vernon UK London

    If the Italians use CONDOMS where Vatican a stone throw away; and the Israelites in Israel where the birth of Christianity; and Spain which brought Christianity in the Phils.

    Why can’t the Phils?

    Huwag maging BULAG.

    Pass the LAW NOW.

  • daniboy2012

    Pinoys ..tell this  catholic priests ..you don’t belong here …GET OUT!/ say your lies to the europeans!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6X6AGIHEIRHEDSDMPO2QZSG7Q petrus

       Europeans? Spaniards you better say. They occupied & indoctrinated the Philippines for over 300 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. 

  • ncells

    I have lived in countries where artificial contraception is not an issue and I’m fairly sure they are wealthier and less corrupt than the Philippines. I also don’t see them wantonly procreating and aborting babies in wild abandon the way the bishops imply is the result of contraception. 

    I really would like to honestly understand the bishop’s point of view but their pronouncements are wildly different from my experience. Do they live in the same universe as me?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

     TALO pa rin daw ang SIMBAHAN sa perahan, este, botohan!
    Alam nyo, may mga SABI-SABI, kung mag-KANO ang __GIFTS__ na NILALAAN ng mga LOBBYIST (big pharmaceuticals, medical institutions, may-ari ng mga nag-lalakihang botika, food/beverage manufaturers WITH links to big pharmaceuticals ) diyaan sa Congress/Senate ??…….mahigit daw sa 100 MILYONES LANG NAMAN bawat boboto pabor sa RH/Responsible Parenthood Bill (kung ano-ano ng pangalan ng bill na yan,,,basta ang pagbasa niyaan ay POPULATION CONTROL and REDUCTION BILL)!!!

    ..ewan ko lang kung ONE-TIME lang yan…baka every year may 10 MILYONES sa mga pabor na TONGRESSista!   ….eh, bata palang si Juan may sakit nah…eh di dependent na sa REGULATED DRUGS a.k.a MEDICINE — why kill Juan immediately and make one-time profit when you can make profit while he lives thru the years!?

    …bakit ang mga shareholders ng mga Food/Beverage industries ay may tie up sa pharmaceuticals? …akala nyo lang para sa kalusogan ang produkto nila. ..give Juan unhealthy foods/drinks so Juan well get sick and buy medicines..which in turn makes Juan become sick again due to side effects (which the Doctors will never tell Juan about…di naman alam nila yaan, kasi Big pharma ang nag-SPONSOR sa kanilang mga “TRAINING” daw…eh di wala talagang alam sa kalusogan ni Juan…basta makapag-resita lang…pera na, bonus pa)!  LOL…

    oh well…that’s the UGLY TRUTH my friend Juan..LOL

  • saintleonardo

    Can all this religion and citizen who are opposing the RH bill open their churches and homes so that the street children can have a safe place for the night. The Philippines currently needs deeds and not words. For the Christians, bishops, priest and others, Jesus Christ does not needs beautiful temples, churches and Cathedral but the street children are. For Dagupan Archbishops are you willing to open your cathedral to the street children for the night?

  • prinzi2012

    Wag na KAYONG mag taka!  SILA ANG UNANG NAKIKINABANG NG RH BILL NA YAN! NOON PA.. bwahahaha… kunwari aYAW! sila pala ang UNANG GUMAMIT NG CONDOM KY mOtHer… heheh… ala lang! para SABIHIN kampi sa mahihirap, at PRO LIFE DAW… kailang pa nagin PRO LIFE ANG MGA “ROMAN CATHOLIC”

  • DarkJustice

    SIMPLE alng kung bakit ayaw ng Simbahang KAtoliko,gusto nilang mas madaming tao para mas malaki ang abuloy sa simbahan!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

    RH Bill is all about the SICKNESS BUSINESS! …nothing more.

    DIHINS magkakarandapa ang mga TRAPOS kung walang TONG sa RH Bill na yan…

  • Ernesto Pernia

    By saying that “contraception is corruption, Bishop Socrates Villegas (and by extension perhaps the rest of CBCP) reduced the so-called pro-life cause to absurdity — known in logic as reductio ad absurdum — and manifested foot-in-mouth disease. If that were so, then all couples in so many countries that practice contraception — as well as the middle- and upper-income ones in the Philippines — can be charged with corruption! Judicial courts will have to hear a never-ending stream of corruption cases!

  • mark_john21

    7,000–10,000 people in Edsa–Show of force?  Hahahahahahahahaha. Asan na yung mga sinasabi nilang numbers? Mukhang humihina na talaga ang impluwensiya ng mga Damaso. Pasalamat tayo sa internet!

  • Gallimaufries

    Bishop: “Pedro, I’m relying on your full support in opposing the passage of the RH Bill.  So, can I expect your presence at tomorrow’s rally?”

    Pedro: “Of course, Bishop.  You can count on me.  I’m totally committed to our noble cause.  Nobody, not even the President, can stop me from attending the rally tomorrow.  Harangan man ako ng  sibat, dadating ako bukas………Hwag lang u-u-lan.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

    sa mga gusto ng Population Control/Reduction a.k.a. RH Bill a.k.a
    Responsible (daw) Parenthood Bill….kung di mn kayo NAILAGAY sa CONDOM o
    di kaya napa-ABORT noon ng mga MAGULANG NYO…now is the perfect time to kill yourselves…WALANG PAGKAKAIBA DI BA???
     
    PARA naman MABIGYAN ng pagkakataon na may MAISISILANG na BAGONG HENERASYON ng mga PILIPINO!

    • Kar Abola

      And this is what you call Pro-life?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

        you have a choice….if that’s your will to reduce population…why NOT do it to yourself without affecting others? …comprende? LOL…

      • Kar Abola

        Yes, exactly. That’s what the RH Bill wants. To give everybody the chance to choose for themselves without affecting others. 

        Comprende?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

        with that rh bill,,there’s no such thing called choice…just pure deception. LOL

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        Si comprendo pero el otro hombre no te comprende..

    • cute79

      kelangan lang gumamit ng contraceptives para d marami ang anak ng isang pamilya,di ibig sbihin na di na pwde magkaanak..1,2 or hanggang 3 anak  lang para d masyado mahirapan ang mga magulang bubuhayin ang mga anak nila at kaya nilang bigyan ng magandang buhay at paaralin.krmihan kasi sa tin lalo na probinsya halos isang dosena na ang anak khit walang mga trabaho kaya masyadong mahirap.halos walang mkain,walang pampgmot pag may sakit,d nrin nkpag aral ang mga bata.tapos sa huli gobyerno pa sisihin kung bakit sila masyado naghihirap.kung isa or 2 lang sana anak nila eh d mas maginhawa sana buhay nila.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

         ..wla kasing programa si Panot,,,kaya bigay lang ng bigay pera sa mahihirap daw…..kayo ayon tuloy ang naisip, population control/reduction.

        nabalitaan mo na ba problema ng Japan at ng ibang European countries, dahil kinontrol nila population growth?? LOL

  • stromboli67

    The archbishop said, “The use of taxpayers’ money for contraceptives is corruption.”   The reason being, the funds will be used for contraceptives for distribution to the poor, instead of being used for social services to the poor. 
    Could one use a parallel argument that the use of government funds for the bishops’ SUVs is a form of corruption?  It may be said the money could have been used to cloth and educate the children of the poor.  If that is the case, was the act of asking to be gifted of these vehicles an encouragement to corruption?  Or is there a moral difference between the two acts?  

    Since the religious hierarchy threatens to ask their faithful to vote against politicians who support the bill, is it fair for the pro HR group ask their supporters to not vote for politicians who are anti HR bill?   Are the bishops encouraging a deep polarization in society?   In the long term, they may win this battle  but not the war.  Parenthetically, I thought the church would be able to muster hundreds of thousands of the faithful.  

    • Jamm3r

      napanood mo ba iyong senate investigation tungkol sa sinasabi mong “bishop’s suv’s” kung hindi eh panoorin mo muna kasi nakakahiya laging ginagamit itong issue na ito na tapos na at mismong si senator jinggoy estrada at iba pang senators ay humingi ng paumanhin sa mga bishops na inakusahan ng mali. ang mga senators matapos marinig ang totoong istroya ng “bishop suv’s” ay laking pagsisisi at pakisuap sa mga bishops na tanggapin muli at gamitin ang mga “suv”  na yun. pero tinanggihan na nang mga bishops. pero hanggang ngayon ginagamit pa rin ng mga nagdudunung dunungan at nagpapanggap na updated sa mga issues ang kwentong iyon. for the information of many, hindi “brand new suv’s” ang ibinigay sa kanila para gawin ang kanilang pagtulong sa mga tao kundi secondhand na mga “pick-up”. at mga iyon ay nakapangalan sa simbahan hindi sa pangalan ng bishop. alamin muna natin ang tunay na kwento bago magbigay ng mga opinion na kulang sa batayan.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

     oh well the drafters of that RH Bill are the  lobbyists (BIG Pharmaceuticals/Food/Beverages Co.) in Congress/Senate.

    THERE’S NO DOUBT.  Even the media (tv, papers, online) WILL NOT DARE
    mention about these lobbyists! ….DIHINS NYO BA PANSIN, mga
    adverstisements sa media karamihan ay mga REGULATED DRUGS a.k.a
    MEDICINEs?…UNHEALTHY FOODS/BEVERAGES? …EVEN ENDORSED by POLITICIANS
    and CELEBRITIES??? …KASI baka MAWALA ang ADS sa media, BAWAS sa KITA!

    …Di magkapagtakang marami sa mga batang PINOY ngayon ay AUTISTIC, may CANCER, atbp SAKIT.

    • Michael Paras

      Hahaha! Praning ka lang Leg. Dami mo conspiracy theories kagad eh.

  • Sis. Abe bi Bobu

    MABUTI PA IBANG RELIGION, TUMUTULONG LAGI KAPAG MAY SAKUNA.. NANDYAN KAAGAD SILA KAPAG MAY BINAHA, NILINDOL AT NASUNUGAN KATULAD NG BAGYONG GENER.. ANONG RELIGION BA ANG NAKIKITA AGAD AGAD NA TUMUTULONG? KATOLIKO BA? MALAKING HINDI.. DAHIL ANG INAATUPAG NILA AY MAGKALAT NG MGA KASINUNGALINGAN AGAINST RH BILL.. UNAHIN NEO MUNA MGA MIEMBRO NEO NA NASALANTA NG BAHA.. HINDI YUNG IBA PA RELIGION ANG TUMUTULONG SA MGA KAANIB NEO! PRO-LIFE DAW? MGA SINUNGALING!

    • Jamm3r

      kasi ang mga katoliko hindi naghihintay ng sakuna bago tumulong. nakapaunta ka na ba sa home for the aged? nakapunta ka na ba sa mga lugar na maraming mga tao o batang kapuspalad? baka hindi pa subukan mong magpunta kahit walang sakuna tignan mo kung sino ang karamihang nandoon dumadamay at tumutulong sa mga kapatid nating kapus palad. tanungin mo rin kung ang simbahang katoliko ay hindi nagbibigay ng pondo sa mga lugar na ito. ang mga kapatid ba nating nasa ibang relihiyon ay nagagawang yakapin, paliguan at damayan ang mga kapuspalad na ito? imulat mo mata mo bago ka magalit ng husto sa simbahang katoliko.

    • joaquin_salvador

      Your observation contradicts the real-life situation. I worked before in the poorest of the poor communities in the rural and urban areas, and it’s the Catholic Church at the forefront in times of calamities, man-made or natural.

  • lucas

    This is a blurb from the May + June 2010 issue of Mother Jones magazine (page 44 if anyone is interested):

    In 1966, Paul VI’s birth control commission presented its preliminary
    report to the pope. It held big news: The body had overwhelmingly
    voted to recommend lifting the prohibition on contraceptives ( The
    former Archbishop of Brussels, Cardinal Leo Suenens, went so far as to
    say the church needed to confront reality and avoid another “GALILEO CASE.”)

    Catholics rejoiced, and many began using the pill at once. But their
    hopes were dashed when, in July 1968, Paul VI released an encyclical
    titled Humane Vitae (“on human life”), reaffirming the contraceptive
    ban. It turned out that three dissenting bishops on the commission had
    privately gone to plead with the pope: IF THE POSITION ON CONTRACEPTIVES
    WAS CHANGED, THEY SAID, THE TEACHING AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH WOULD BE QUESTIONED-THE FAITHFUL COULD NO LONGER TRUST THE HIERARCHY.”
    (I apologize for the copyright infringement.)

    Well, there you go, again it’s all about POWER and CONTROL as it usually is with religiously
    dogmatic groups. And it backfired on them big time, since the contraception prohibition has seriously eroded the church’s power in Europe & North America.

    • joaquin_salvador

      I agree with the emphasis of the Mother Jones Magazine that the primary concern of the Church is more on its teaching authority. When Pope Paul VI wrote Humanae Vitae, he rejected the Majority Report entitled “Responsible Parenthood” which allowed Catholic couples to use contraceptives. In so doing, Pope Paul VI affirmed the old teaching that prohibits contraceptives by adopting the Minority Report which titled “State of the Question: The Doctrine of the Church and Its Authority”. Robert Hoyt, in “The Birth Control Debate” wrote: “In the wake of the encyclical, then, the central argument is no longer about birth control or sex or ‘nature,’ but over the authority of the church and its role in instructing men’s consciences”.

  • Guest

    @Leg, ang dami mong napansin. kasing dami ba to ng bata sa lansangan. kasing dami ba to ng mahihirap sa pilipinas.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

      …para yata yan sa mga TONGressista tanong mo :) …napansin kaya nila mga yan? ..o baka ang “GIFTS” from pro-Population Control/Reduction lobbyist lang napansin nila?

      • Guest

        That compared to your priest’s heaven and eternal life?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

         compared to the right to control/reduce the population?
        ..if you like priests’s heaven and eternal life, junk RH Bill.
        ..if you like population control/reduction, you may choose to end your life without harming others…since, you urself is a contributor to overpopulation — don’t you wish that your parents should have aborted you or u ended up in a condom..or the floor?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MYQSGZZU2YW26D4LQYKHH3W42Y calib

        Leg… virgin ka pa ano? :)

      • Andres Bisaya

        bading yan!

      • Michael Paras

         Hahaha! Yun nga naisip ko eh. Yung mga anti RH, karamihan wala sex life o kaya naman mga hipokrito na gumagamit naman ng contraceptives at nagmamalinis lang.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

     Why family is the foundation of nation?

  • Jazzeroo

    There are more than enough idiots in this country….there really is no room for more, and yet they keep breeding.
    So much misplaced religious zeal that completely ignores the fact that there is only enough to go around and eventually overpopulation overtakes finite resources and economic capacity.

    Just maybe if the Church and clergy was in charge of keeping these millions fed and housed, they might see the folly of their crusade.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

       oh well without the church you wont be in this world!  …do you hate that ur in this world now? …contributing to the overpopulation? …and want to control/reduce the population…you may end ur life if you choose without affecting other people.

      • Guest

        Where’s the paper attesting the Church’s approval that you can come to Earth?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

        ..so i guess may butas yong CONDOM, and ur here, HATING overpopulation. 

        As i said, you may end your life, if u want population control/reduction.

      • Guest

        look who’s talking, ang hindi hateful

      • Jazzeroo

         Your limited grasp of reasoning and logic is what idiots use and proves my point…the church has nothing to do with why I am here but for you being here and taking up valuable space, and sucking-up oxygen that could support other animals, it has a lot of explaining to do.
         I just hope your kind is not breeding anymore as we have enough miracle babies.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

         …dami pa satsat…simulan mo nah…para naman dihins na overpopulated, at mabigyan ng chance maisilang ang bagong pilipino.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/JHH5XYKAM2OYVTUPZHGIWBOFMA Alex Besario

    hindi natin masisisi ang simbahang katoliko sa kanilang akala..,,,ano ba talaga ang istado ng simbahang katoliko,,malaki ba talaga ang naitulong nila sa sambayanan?? sa espiretual cguro OO pero sa ibang bagay wala…bakit ayaw nila sa RH BILL??? ano ba ang abortion??yan po yung buntis na tapos pinalaglag mo,,at ano poba ang prevent!!!! yan po yung iwasan ang mabuntis,,so magkaiba po sila at yan po ang ibig tukoyin ng RH bill. tanong kopo sa SIMBAHAN bakit ayaw nyo nalang kunin ang lahat na mga bata na nasa ilalim ng mga LRT station natin at bigyan nyo sila ng magandang edukasyon,,para mai-ahon po sila sa hirap at matigil sa pag gamit ng ipinagbabawal na gamot.kaya silaandyan dahil napabaya-an sila ng kanilang magulang dina po maitaguyod dahil sa hirap ng buhay…so ano ba ang gutso ng simbahan dumaami pa ang katulad nila?????? nagtatanung lang po……

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

       ..ayaw nila dumami katulad mo? LOL

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/T7PT2JRMQRM5PTMFETXCUIHN6I Juanito Garcia

    corruption pala ang dahilan ng paghihirap natin, bakit wala kayong ginawa para masawata ito noong nakaraang administrasyon bagkus pinalala pa ninyo ito sa pamamagitan ng paghingi ninyo ng mga mamahaling sasakyan sa korap at mandarayang si pandak? puede ba ang asikasuhin nyo ay ang pakikiapid sa mga kababaihan at pananamantala sa mga kabataan ng inyong mga hanay. siguro mas magiging kapanipaniwala na may tunay kayong malasakit sa bayan.

    • Francis81

       Kasi corrupt din si Pweenoy, at ang masama nagmamalinis pa! Nanalo
      bilang Presidente dahils sa HOCUS PCOS, kumikita sa jueteng,
      tumatangngap ng regalong sports cars at high-class prostis, nag bribe ng
      P 400M sa mga senador para ma convicts si Corona, atbp. Si Ochoa, Abad, Purissima, Soliman at mga KKKKs humahataw ng million million na kickbacks!

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        Insipid

      • nakatutok

        .inspiring…

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        Pedestrian

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDXEVEFHW2ZT5VWHDWBNM6XGE4 RyanE

    The RC church should know better than that. I guess misinforming its flock is moral corruption. Likewise, asking SUVs from the former president was also corruption in broad daylight.
     
    By meddling in government functions and to deny the populace the options to uplift their lives and remain in dire poverty are corruption of the highest degree.
     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/X6X6AGIHEIRHEDSDMPO2QZSG7Q petrus

    when I see a female beggar (with a naked child to get more pity pesos) I think by myself: don’t give money  but give her some condoms.

    • cute79

      marami mga ganyan sa mga syudad sa pinas,nkakaawa mga anak nila.d man lang nag isip ang nanay wala na nga sila makain nag anak pa.Yan ang resulta sa kakulangan sa edukasyon.kung may tamang edukasyon pa sana sya,s sitwasyon nyang wla nga syang mkain d na nya gustuhing magka anak pa dahil mkikita lang nya anak nya na maghihirap,walang makain at walang tirahan.

    • Malik62

       That female beggar with a child is a victim of social injustice perpetuated by the landed oppressive class like BS Aquino x3. Now their short-cut solution is to reduce population. What an irresponsible shame!

      • http://twitter.com/Nonoyksa Noel Guimbaolibot

        What shortcut solution you are talking?Are you ignorant enough that those contraceptives have been around for so many years?They are in every barangay and are distributed or given free,ask your barangay officials.IF THOSE CATHOLIC LEADERS REALLY CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE,PARTICULARLY THE POOR SECTOR,THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE CREATED A PROGRAM LONG TIME AGO WITH THE POOR AS A BENIFICIARIES.BUT NO,THEY DIDN’T AND THEY WILL NOT,BECAUSE THEY ARE BUSY……BUSY COLLECTING MONEY FROM THEIR MEMBERS TO BE USED FOR THEIR LUXURIOUS WAY OF LIFE.

      • Godfrey Buillon

        If contraceptives have been around for so many years then we really don’t need to spend another 3.7 million pesos to get some more, right?
        Now this is what you said: “BUSY COLLECTING MONEY FROM THEIR MEMBERS TO BE USED FOR THEIR LUXURIOUS WAY OF LIFE.”

        Prove luxurious living! Ikaw how much do you give to charity?

      • Michael Paras

        Yes, contraceptives have been around for decades. But the poor cannot afford them. That’s the target group of the RH bill. Not those who can afford them. How is that so hard to understand?

      • KIBOR

        And as far as i remember, the free condoms that the health centers are distributing doesnt even come from DOH budget but it came from US in which the The US Law that gives the mandate to do this had expired so no more free condoms too.

      • Michael Paras

         Yes that is true. The national government hasn’t allocated a budget for the purchase of contraceptives.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

      huli na pero pwede na rin baka sakali di na madagdagan yung naked child, kelangan kasi gamitin yung pera para sa pagkain. kung maaprobahan sana yung rh bill ay di na nya kailangan problemahin pa yung condom. malaki maitutulong ng rh bill diyan.

    • Godfrey Buillon

      Ilan tao na ang nakita mong kumakain ng condom?

    • jinx

       Oo nga ano? Biro mo, basta lang mag-anak para gamiting instrumento para kaawaan. 

  • ValencianoEd

    This is what I hate with the Church to which I belong:  using the Holy Mass, nay, abusing the Mass, as if it were a talisman that will drive away bad luck or evil things.  The clergy’s own abuse of the holy Mass desecrates the holiness of the Mass and reduces it to nothing but a mondane ritual.  I have been made to understand from time immemorial that when I attend the holy Mass, I should be prepared i e  be physically, mentally and spiritually present.  If not, attending the holy Mass would amount to nothing.  Now, tell me, how many of those 10k people who attended the rally yesterday really attended to the holy Mass?  I wonder how the good clergy would answer this.  I bet, even the very celebrant of the holy Mass was not fully concentrated on what he was celebrating. He was more concentrated on the speeches (condemning the government and pro RH bill people) and the activities following the holy Mass.  What a pity, indeed, that the very Church that considers the Mass HOLY succeeds in abusing it!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

      isa na naman na nakahalata sa pang-uuto at panlilinlang ng simbahang katoliko. di abot ng isip nila na ang mga tao ay nagsisimba para mapalapit sa diyos at hindi para makinig sa mga pambabatikos sa gobyerno at pamumulitika. di mo man lang marinig mula sa mga pari at obispo na sabihin sa mga tao na pagpasok sa loob ng simbahan ay iwanan ang pulitika sa labas ng pintuan.

    • joaquin_salvador

      I think it is your education to your Catholic faith that is lacking.

      You confined the Eucharistic celebration to the holy. Isn’t the concern for life a holy concern? Is Eucharistic celebration merely a listening to the Word of God and the breaking of the bread without any relevance to the day to day life of the Christians?

      I do not entirely blame you for your gross ignorance of your faith. Your Church failed to properly teach you the faith. But as a adult now, I think, it is your duty to know your faith.

      I abandoned the Catholic faith long time ago. It is a pity that some Catholics criticized their faith without knowing its teachings.

      • ValencianoEd

        So sorry Mr Salvador:  you missed my point on the Holy Mass so grossly and so terribly!  You did not understand my concern/issue.  Well, that is your loss.  Read again:  some Catholics regard the Holy Mass as a talisman.  Don’t you have Catholics around you doing just this?
        The Holy Mass, as far as I know is not a talisman.  If said/offered, it should be in the proper place and context.  And attendees should have full concentration on the Mass:  not saying the rosary; novena, etc during the celebration of the Holy Mass or  be disturbed by all the tarpaulines hanging around the venue advertising this or that, or damning this or that .  It is Holy, ok?  Holy!
        You cannot still grasp my meaning………so then, I rest my case.  Thank you anyway for bothering to comment on my comment.  Have a great rainy day.

  • mnlmad

    Anti  RH Bill ba ang Inquirer? Just Asking kasi ang slant ng news nila ay parang sipsip sa Church. I hope they’re reading all the discussions here and in other forums on RH Bill.

  • Tonypogi

    Tama po iyong sinabi ng isang nag-comment dito na, “Kung walang Bishop, walang mahirap.”  Ang corruption po ay nakakapit na sa lahat ng bansang katoliko. Panay ang pangaral ng simbahan laban sa RH Bill pero wala naman silang epektibong solusyon na maaring ipalit dito maliban ang pagtingala sa langit at manalangin.  “Nasa Diyos ang awa pero nasa tao ang gawa!.”

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

       ..if you agree and support  population control/reduction,, why not end your own life now?..you yourself is a contributor to overpopulation. LOL

      • KapitanBagwis

        Sounds stupid…you need more brains to articulate your stance intelligently.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MYQSGZZU2YW26D4LQYKHH3W42Y calib

        oo nga Leg… how stupid can you be??

      • totan

        Stupid, kasi walang brain. Ang brain ay nasa ULO wala sa LEG, kayo naman.

    • Francis81

       Kapag hininto ng Simbahang Katoliko ang scholarship nila sa kanilang mga eskewlahan ilang million na estudyanteng Pilipinino ang hindi makapag aral? Kapag hininto ng SImbahang Katoliko ang feeding program sa mga Parishes nila, ilang milyong Pilipno ang magugutom?

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    Really, what absolute idiots catholic priest are. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

      mas malala pa yung mga obispo.

    • Francis81

       Si Pweenoy nag-aral sa Catholic University kung saan ang mga guro ay Catholic Priests, kaya pala idiot si Pweenoy.

      • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

        Put that pipe down and eat something friend. You are ranting again.

  • Michael Paras

    100 plus million Filipinos today. 1.9% annual growth rate. That’s 1.9 million new Filipinos per year.

    Next year, the government is aiming to produce 1 million new jobs. An astronomically high target.

    Simple math.

    1.9 million new Filipinos – 1 million new jobs = 900,000 Filipinos unemployed.

    It’s been the trend in our country for decades now. EVEN IF YOU
    ELIMINATE CORRUPTION, WHEN POOR PEOPLE DON’T HAVE A REGULAR SOURCE OF INCOME, THEY WILL STAY POOR.

    Sorry for putting it at all caps. It’s important you anti RH lot understand that point.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

      YEHEY! your post says it ALL!!

      that you DONT UNDERSTAND rh bill!

      you said it urself,,,,”…A REGULAR SOURCE OF INCOME..”  …NOT A REGULAR SOURCE OF CONTRACEPTIVES/CONDOMS!!!

      LOL!

      • KapitanBagwis

        I believe it’s you who doesn’t know what you are talking about..you are definitely showing your ignorance about the population and economy…tell the squatters about responsible parenthood and see if they will listen to you without helping them. Tell PNoy how you plan to solve criminalities and social cancer in our society now. RH Bill is just one way to solve the present problem in our society.

      • Michael Paras

         OMG! Did you even understand my post? ROFL! Take off your blinkers. That’s the most laughably ridiculously illogical post I’ve seen. YEHEY indeed!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

        huwag mo patulan yan. baka si bishop soc yan na hindi na alam ang sinasabi.

      • Michael Paras

         Hahaha! Oo nga eh. Napaghalataan ko na na talagang kinulang sa IQ etong taong ito o pinipilit na magbulag bulagan. Nagpapanggap na pro life tapos sasabihan ang mga pro RH na magpakamatay. Walking contradiction to si Leg.

    • Malik62

       The problem is not population but the inequitable distribution of wealth. The situation is worsened by the inept, lazy and dumb management of BS Aquino x3.

      • Michael Paras

        I actually agree with you about the unequal distribution of wealth. That’s why we want to lessen the number of poor families. As of today, more than 70% of our population are poor or low income Filipinos.

        Thing is, these poor people breed more and more children than they can’t support. That means the number of poor people increases with each succeeding generation.

        I assume you’ve read my post that you’ve just replied to?

        The government is doing its best to provide jobs, but it just cannot keep up with the population growth rate of our country. That’s an inescapable fact.

        EDIT: You can’t blame every president who holds office for every issue our country’s having. Napansin ko lang kasi, karamihan sa inyo mga may galit sa presidente ay anti RH.

      • Godfrey Buillon

        there is inequitable distribution of wealth and your solution is not to find measures to make it more equitable but to reduce the number of people who have barely anything? So if your bed is too short you cut off your feet? Whaaaat?

      • Michael Paras

        Reduce the number of children they make so the children that they actually produce will have a brighter future. Studies conducted by the Commission on Population (PopCom) have shown that most families target number of offspring is just 2 children. But the average number of children per family right now is at 4. Don’t tell me that the solution is for families to be “responsible” and abstain or use natural methods. That clearly is not working.

        If your bed is too short, you shouldn’t have grown longer than your bed. I know it may sound impossible for someone to be able to control their height. But I have to make do with your poor analogy.

        In other words, if you have more children than you can support, then don’t produce more. Simple really.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras,

        Sabi mo — “In other words, if you have more children than you can support, then don’t produce more. Simple really.”

        Sagot ko — If that is really so simple, then you do not need a 12-13 billion pesos rh bill to solve it. HINDI NA KAILANGAN NG RH BILL PARA SA POPULATION CONTROL NA GUSTO MO.

        Ano tingin mo?

      • Michael Paras

         Ano ang suggestion mo? Abstinence? Natural method?

      • IanAlera

        GUSTO MO BANG TURUAN NG CONTRACEPTION (nang sapilitan –mandatory ika nga) YUNG MGA BATANG NAGUGUTOM? o mas dapat na turuan ang mga magulang nila tungkol sa Family planning?

        Hindi ba dapat, turuan mo ng skills yang mga magulang, at bigyan mo ng oportunidad na makapag-trabaho ng may sapat na kinikita, para hindi magutom ang mga anak nila?

        HINDI ba dapat na gamot na makakapagpa-galing ng sakit ang dapat mong ibigay sa mga magulang na may TB, sakit sa puso, etc, para sila ay makapag trabaho? — Bakit gusto mong unahin yung paraphernalia sa pagpapa-sarap?

      • jeht2003

        You see, his using the bed as an example is just a typical response from a looser. I hope he has a short bed, then i suggest starting from the top instead of the bottom. I bet his legs are more useful.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        sabi mo —“Reduce the number of children they make so the children that they actually produce will have a brighter future.”

        sagot ko — ibig sabihin kung may 10 anak ako at maliit ang kinikita ko, dapat i-reduce ko yung dami ng mga anak?  Paano? — I-ka-cull ko yung lima? Kasi yun lang ang kaya ko?

      • Michael Paras

        Oh wow… sabi ko reduce the number of children THAT THEY ACTUALLY PRODUCE. There. Naintindihan mo na? Di ko sinabi patayin mo ang 8 kung 10 anak mo. Sabi ko, wag mo na dagdagan pa kung 10 na anak mo. Sige tatagalugin ko na lang next time pre. Mejo nahihirapan ka pala kung English gamit eh. Sensya na. Sana sinabi mo na kagad.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Michael Paras

        Hahaha.  Paano nga iyan, ano na ang gagawin ng mga taong may 10 anak?  Ipapakain nila yung condom? o kaya pag may sakit, pills ang ibibigay nilang pang-lunas?

        Magkano ba ang isang condom? 40 pesos? o ang pill, 42 peos? Mas importante ba yan para sa nagugutom na pamilya kaysa sa isang kilong bigas na ang halaga ay 30 pesos? —

        BAKIT GUSTO MONG UNAHIN YUNG PARAPHERNALIA SA PAGPA-PASARAP?

      • Michael Paras

        Hahaha!! Naku di mo pa din maintindihan. Napakasimple na. Pag 10 na anak mo at may condom ka, gamitin mo na. Napakasimple na lang pre, wag mo na gawing complicated.

        3 packs ng condom nasa 25 to 40 ang alam ko. Di kita makausap ng matino kasi sarado na isip mo. Sabihin ba naman patayin na yung 5 anak sa 10. Eh ang sabi ko lang wag na dagdagan ang 10 eh. Kaka frustrate kausap mga tulad niyo.

      • jeht2003

        sorry ha… nawala na yung dislike button e… kaya eto… +1 Dislike

        I’m sure marami pa dyan dislikes, wala lang mapindotan… 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

    what “overpopulation”…there’s no such thing…TAMAD lang kasi ang nakaupo sa malakanyang kaya RH Bill ang naisip na solusyon….at ginawa pang tamad ang karamihan sa mga Pilipino…dahil sa programa ni PANOT na “Pantawid Gutom,,,err, Pamilya”..eh di ayon,, TINAMAD din.

    • Guest

      you’re straying away from the core issues addressed by the bill. isn’t the bill trying to prevent more maternal deaths and abortions. does this sound like we are stopping the increase of population.

    • teraytaray

      marami din sa mga Pilipino tamad, kaya kahit masipag ang Presidente bale wala din. masipag lang ang mga Pilipino sa pag anak. hindi lumalaki ang mundo pero dumadami ang inhabitants, ano tawag mo don?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

    “Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”

    • Jazzeroo

      Seems like your quotation is a bit late….there are not enough fishes to fish due to overfishing.
      But if ever there was any justification for ‘cloning’—- it is you.
      Your  ‘copies ‘ could then be used for pet food.
       It is called Moron meat.

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Jazzeroo

        MALI KA DYAN.  Kaya walang mahuling isda kasi yung mga INTSIK beho sinakop na yung West Philippine Sea, at pinalalayas yung mga mangingisda natin sa lugar na sakop ng 200 mile EEZ.

        Sabihin mo kay P_NOY gawin ang trabaho niya at proteksiyunan ang mga mangingisda.

  • KapitanBagwis

    Prayer rally should be done in all Catholic Churches…not where you people interfere with smooth flow of traffic….EDSA is for all commuters….Prayers where you lambast the president!! ??Is that prayer???? Morons

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FVBPRR4NKZ2DFURBCD5I4Q5GN4 Leg

    ito lang masasabi ko…..

    “…A REGULAR SOURCE OF INCOME..”  …NOT A REGULAR SOURCE OF CONTRACEPTIVES/CONDOMS!!!

  • 80baudot95

    If the bishops cared to notice, even the weather did not seem supportive of their cause.

  • Malik62

    The die has been casts! Bishop Soc finally realized that BS Aquino x3 is a fake!

  • deadlyshooter

    time to look into corruption on medical purchases on medicines of government hospitals and medical health centers especially on contraceptives used in the guise of medicines for population control programs…just ask your local officials how they operate their government hospitals and health centers…there might be truth on corruption on contraceptives, eh!!!

    • Michael Paras

      Huh?? Wala po binibigay na libreng contraceptives ang mga health centers natin. Tsaka kung natatakot kayo ma kurakot ang mga bibilihing contraceptives, pareho lang ho yan ng lahat na mga serbisyo/produktong pinapamahagi sa mga health centers na pwedeng ma kurakot. Wag niyo po i isolate ang contraceptives at sabihin na ang mga ito lang ang pwedeng ma kurakot.

      • deadlyshooter

        it says medical purchases…does this mean contraceptives only?

    • cute79

      kung sa tingin mo ay kurakot ang namuno ngayon sa lugar nyo wag nyo iboto at wag nyo ipagbili ang boto nyo.para sa mga susunod  mttkot na gumawa ng kurakot kasi d na sila iboboto ulit ng mga tao at d rin pinagbibili ang mga boto ng tao.ganun lang ka simple basta pag lahat ng tao sa pinas d na mauuto at mabibili ng pulitiko.

  • lucas

    “Religion is regarded by the common as true, the wise as false, and the rulers as useful.” I agree. Look at Sen Honasan, still undecided despite attendance in anti-RH bill rally

  • pj2003

    reality checked.. no catholic votes indeed, 7,000 – 10,000 attended the rally does not even represent 1% of 80 million estimated catholic church believers… i’m convinced that catholic faithfuls did not follow their church leaders blindly.  

  • james dean

    The Pro RH Bill under Bishop Soc are appearing to be exhausted with their useless efforts on their last ditch to sell the negative aspect of the RH Bill. It’s all over now…people has changed and are tired especially our dignified and principled Representatives to be influenced by you and your denomination. People are tired of living in miseries because of poverty and squalid conditions that even the waning Catholics cannot help. So the game is just fair enough to approve the RH Bill and Church People should just shut up their mouth and let our governance headed by our no less than our Beloved President Noynoy to be pro active in improving our economy and to make this country great again. With quality population not quantity we can move forward for more progress, more competitive in the world market more quality education and more peace and order atmosphere…truly becoming a SHANGRILA!!! HA HA HA!!!

    • Francis81

       Korek. sa Makati Shangrila, Conways si beloved Pweenoy mo gabi gabi kasama mga International Pokpok. Kung wala siya sa mood lumabas pinapahatid na lang ni Ochoa, Llamas, o RIco Puno ang mga prostis sa Bahay Pag-Asa sa Malacañang Park. Bwesit yan,  government property kasi yan.

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        pedestrian

      • nakatutok

        nasaktan ka?? masakit talaga pag totoo…sabihan mo kasi boss mo na magladlad na..

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        hoi polloi

      • nakatutok

        paki-linaw nga kung babae ba o lalaki ang dinadala sa Bahay Pag-asa???

    • Godfrey Buillon

      Iglesia ka?

      • Luthmar

        So what if he is Iglesia.  Iglesias are also christians. They also believe in God.

    • Luthmar

      Well said.  The problem is, again I will say it, the church is in denial.

  • lucas

    What about the “abuloy” and the sin taxes on cigarettes and alcoholic drinks that you get, Where do they go, Bishop Soc? And what about the Catholic Church of the Philippines stocks at Philex Mining corp, BPI, San Miguel corp, Ayala corp. El Superior de la Corporacion Filipina de Padres Agustinos Recoletos, Carmel of the Divine Infant Jesus of Prague, Inc, Superior de la Corporacion Archicofradia de N.P.J.N de Recoletos, etc. worth BILLIONS, where do they go?

    “GO, SELL EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE.. and give it to the poor” (Mark10:21)

    • Godfrey Buillon

      Stocks… legacy donations. Pare ko huwag kang magsasalita tungkol sa hindi mo nalalaman.

      • lucas

        Why you don’t you do your research and find out. It was even in the news in 2011. The documents were obtained by GMA News from the Philippines Stock Exchange, retired Lingayen-Dagupan Archbishop Oscar Cruz even said that he condoned the Church’s stock investments, he criticized the bishops’ holding of shares in mining firms. How come you don’t know this?

      • Michael Paras

         He chose not to. Blinkers won’t come off.

      • jeht2003

        Kasi nga “Two thumbs waaaaay up Archbishop Soc!” daw. Isa pa, church income and properties are exempt from tax.

      • totan

        godfrey, you answer Lucas.  Para ikaw ang tanga.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=752305748 Roselyn Monroyo

    “My dear youth, contraception is corruption. The use of government money,
    taxpayers’ money to give out contraceptive pills is corruption.
    Contraceptive pills teach us it is all right to have sex with someone
    provided you are safe from babies. Babies are a nuisance,”  said Villegas
    –hay makitid na naman ang utak ng mga taong naniniwala sa ganitong katwiran. magbayad muna kayo ng tax, para yon ang pangsustento sa sobra-sobrang populasyon. di porke catholic-dominated ang PH eh ang pulso ng nakararami ay anti-RH bill na.  Sabagay if uunti ang populasyon, uunti na din ang mga abuloy..father, di lang po population control ang target dito, isaalang-alang din po nten ang health benefits.tsk tsks tsk..

  • Godfrey Buillon

    Two thumbs waaaaay up Archbishop Soc!

    • jeht2003

      Way up where? Up everyone’s behind?

  • Boboyboi

    Ang corruption e ang pagtanggap ng donation na galing sa jueteng at gambling lords.

    Ang corruption ay ang paghingi ng sasakyan sa PCSO dahil birthday mo.

    Ang corruption ay ang pangingialam ng Simbahan sa pamamalakad ng Estado bagaman ipinagbabawal ito sa batas.

    Ang corruption ay ang pagsuporta sa politiko na kumukupkop sa mga drug lords bagaman sya ay tinaguriang anti drug czar noon, 

    Ang corruption ay ang pagsuporta sa politiko na maraming pinapatay noong panahon ng martial law.

    Ang corruption ay ang pagsuporta sa lider ng mga coup d’etat na naging dahilan kung bakit matumal ang pagasenso ng ating bansa noong panahon ni Cory.

    Ang corruption ay ang pagkakaron ng mahigit 17 billion peso investment sa iba'[t ibang pribadong kumpanya habang ang mga miyembro nyo ay patuloy nyong kinukunan ng abuloy kahit sila ay naghihirap.

    Kaya tigilan nyo na kami mga Padre Damaso! Manahimik nalang kayo at bilangin nyo nalang ang pera nyo. Huwag na kayong makialam!

    • totan

      Let Bishop SOC make a comment on those facts

  • Godfrey Buillon

    Contraception is corruption, Bishop Soc means MORAL CORRUPTION!

    • totan

      So BOBO pala si Bishop SOC. Hindi alam ang gustong sabihin.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/NMNJCWALTCIRGV5FKZL5S6X3VM Alan

    At least the government is addressing the over population problem of our nation.  Hindi ba mas masama ang mag-anak ng madami tapos pinababayaan lang ng mga magulang sa tabi tabi…naglilimos, nasasangkot sa mga sarisaring krimen, nag-rurugby pangtawid ng gutom, pinapakinabangan ng mga sindikato…etc., etc., etc. 

  • Francis81

    Kahit ano pang i-post ng mga Yellowtards dito di pa rin mapagkaila na nag panic si Pweenoy, ayun cancelled na naman ang mga appointments, nagkulong sa kwarto kasama si Baby Josh. Level-up!

    • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

      prosaic

      • nakatutok

        baka PROZAC…..alam ko may umiinom niyan sa palasyo…

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        gma

      • nakatutok

        wrong….try again….CLUE: boss mo siya…

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        GLORIA MACAPAL DOROVO

      • nakatutok

        siya ba boss mo?? hindi ba si Benigna Simeona Aquino AKA Abnot ( Abnoy na PAnot)???

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        GLORIA MACAPAL DOROVO AT MARCOS PA RIN

      • nakatutok

        aminin mo na kasi…si Carandang ka ba??

      • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

        constipated

      • nakatutok

        uminom ka dulcolax…

    • Michael Paras

      Tanong ko lang, bakit ang laki ng galit mo kay Aquino? Kasi parang irrational na eh.

      • Luthmar

        Hello again Michael.  Francis81 is another pea brain that shouldn’t waste your
        time and energy to react to his comments.  His comments are not worthwhile to read because there is nothing to it but vilifying and name calling.  His comments are truly a disgrace to the human kind.

      • Michael Paras

         Hahaha! Yeah bro, thanks for the heads up. I’m just dumbfounded how anyone can possess that much hate for someone who they most probably haven’t even seen in person. Baffling.

      • totan

        tama ka sir Michael.  Don’t argue with a person na hindi ka level-up sa intellegent mo.

    • Sarkasmos

       Bitter

    • totan

      Your comment is off-tangent. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/573GKVTQMBD62PQ6XOEPMI7LXA Yugi

    I am Pro RH Bil or Responsible Parenthood. Protection during sexual intercourse is must. But this doesn’t mean we are advocating pre-marital sex like the anti-RH Bill are shouting on the streets. The church themselves can not stop pre-marital sex! At least if there is protection not only make yourself safe but you also stop multiplying the problem. Pre-marital is a problem already, having baby as a result is another problem, if the baby is born without education and proper guidance then they will end up on the street and multiplies the problem. Which life the church is protecting here? These children born in poverty or the semen that was wasted because it was contracepted? If the church convinced me they can stop pre-marital sex then there is no need for this bill. But as long as they can’t do that, then this Bill should be passed.

    • jeht2003

      It is impossible for the church to stop pre-marital sex because they themselves who are not allowed to marry and have sex actually do it liberally.

      In fact when you practice rhythm method, the egg and sperm are also wasted. If god really intended sex for humans to be strictly for procreation purposes only, he should have endowed every male with enhanced pheromone sensors so that we can detect a lady in heat just by smell. But then, we’ll also have to legalize rape!

      • lucas

        Correct! That is why when GOD created us, he gave us free will. If you will follow the logic of the church, then GOD should have created us like robots with remote control.. I believe that is what the church wanted from the very beginning that it was establish is to gain POWER and CONTROL over the people…

    • totan

      How could the stop it when some priest have children of their own, which as priest are not married, these are born out of the wedlock and therefore product of ex marital sex.

      Please don’t challenge me on these or i will name the priest concern.

  • FernandoBusi

    I would have loved to write an essay about this since my position on the matter is also conflicted. I want to follow the dictates of my chuch but I also know it has been wrong before, the earth is not flat nor is it the center of the universe. I cannot fathom how a church that is advanced enough to actually have an official and accepting position about intelligent extra terrestrial life cannot see beyond the issue of sex and reproduction. Where it Gods’ will that ‘go forth and multiply’ meant fill every nook and cranny of this earth with humans we would have been made like cats and dogs reproducing by the litter. I sometimes cannot help but think is it because the priests are denied so basic a function that they have such a strong stand on the issue of contraception. No where in the bible does it say that condoms are a corruption. As part of my penance, I have recently reviewed the New Catechism and the only basis I saw for the prohibition on contraception is Genesis 1:28, “Be fruitful and multiply”. The Church should rethink the meaning of this, surely the God who created the heavens and the earth did not mean fruitful to be irresponsible; fill the basket with fruits that will go rotten. Let us even consider the context, men were new on the earth so might not the meaning of this command have been multiply and be responsible shepherds of what I have created. Make children who can ensure that My creation would go on and survive.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      Great thoughts sir! Well articulated. I am glad to hear you’re seeking the truth, and not just automatically adopting the views of the church. You may be glad to know that there are many, many among the faithful who have arrived at the same conclusion.

      I applaud your courage and desire to think for yourself!

      And I would love to read your essay should you ever get around to writing it.

    • Luthmar

      There’s only one thing that I can say, the church is in denial.

    • totan

      How i wish you essay will be printed in newspapers so people who dont have access to the internet can read your very pragmatic view. Thanks 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VDMUJ6NKKCLWRMVMJRLJFI633I Rene V

    i am a frequent visitor to the Philippines. i was born here. what do you want me to do with the multitude of children extending their hands, making kalabit, babies being displayed in front of windshields, children selling sampaguitas, children washing windshields in streets during traffic? 
    i give as much as i can but as i give, the more the multitudes come… i observe most motorists just “knock” at their windshields. so, so much for the tulungan thing. i know there is a saturation point for this. but the children’s presence is a given. it seems that the most efforts are being done for the unborn. how about those who were and are being born? must we “knock” on our glass shields against those born? i give to charitable institutions and i will not make a sensation about it. my thinking is, it is about time people, especially the uneducated, could be given the opportunity to know how to control how they procreate without killing the unborn? it is but fair to them and to their children. give them the choice. and the chance.  the motivated ones do. the dumber ones act as dumb as they shall be…

  • tyopaeng

    GMA  giving cars to  bishops  is CORRUPTION!!!