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Palace: No war with bishops over reproductive health bill

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Presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda. INQUIRER FILE PHOTO

Malacañang on Thursday ruled out any “war” between the government and the Catholic bishops following President Aquino’s fresh pitch for the reproductive health (RH) bill in Monday’s State of the Nation Address (Sona).

Secretary Edwin Lacierda wondered why President Benigno Aquino’s endorsement of the bill should be seen as a declaration of war against the bishops.

Lacierda was reacting to Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles’ statement calling the President’s fresh push for the approval of the controversial legislation a declaration of an open war against the Church.

Sorsogon Bishop Arturo Bastes also called it a “bad omen” for the Church, while Malolos Bishop Jose Oliveros said the President was in effect imposing his position on the Filipino people.

Mr. Aquino urged Congress to pass the consolidated version of the population management bills in Monday’s Sona.

Lacierda said that the Catholic bishops had been consulted and appraised of the developments in the bill every step of the way.

“Just to give you an example, there was a bill from the House which says that [responsible parenthood] should be limited to a family of two children. The Church objected to this. So we took that out. And then the sex education part was [from students] Grades 5 to 6. The President said let’s make it higher… We acceded to that,” he said.

Albay Representative Edcel Lagman, a major proponent of the RH bill, called the Catholic bishops’ warning of an open war “off tangent and myopic.”

Lagman said surveys that involve Catholic respondents consistently show that Filipinos want the prompt passage of the reproductive health bill and support the use of government funds for family planning, including the purchase of nonabortive contraceptives.

“Poverty will remain a nightmare to teeming millions of Filipinos if parents and couples are not empowered to fully and freely determine the number and spacing of their children,” he said.

The House of Representatives is planning to end debates on the contentious reproductive health bill on Aug. 7 “to give both sides time to marshal their people,” Majority Floor Leader Neptali Gonzales II told reporters Thursday.


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  • 8284

    Kala ko mataas pinag aralan mga pari. Hindi totoo . Mas magaling parisioners.
    Kasi di marunong to. ” listen ……., talk only pari ”

    Nam bubuntis pa sila ng mga inocente.
    Para legal sila, practice what you preach ?

    Bakit mo susundin?

    Full speed Pnoy.

  • Ommm

    ” Lacierda said that the Catholic bishops had been consulted and appraised of the developments in the bill every step of the way.”

    That’s exactly this governments problem. They are bending over trying to appease the church when they should be ignoring them. After all the RH bill is about the countries progress and development…development FROM an archaic church state living in the dark ages TO the modern era….

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       True.

      Kala ko ba independent ang thinking ng Gobyerno.

  • arthur1401

    Sorsogon Bishop Arturo Bastes also called it a “bad omen” for the Church, while Malolos Bishop Jose Oliveros said the President was in effect imposing his position on the Filipino people.
    What idiotic statements coming from learned persons.
    Oliveros-who is imposing his position to whom? As president of the philippines, it is the president mandate as per constitution to effectively govern and institute reforms he sees fit for the long-term benefit of the people. The people are behind this reform, so what’s your problem, ha bishop?  

    It is You and your cohorts who are imposing the position to the people. You want them to accept your dogma no matter how evil it is. Unfortunately, your position is garbage to them because it is the people who will suffer if the geometric increase of the population is not abated. 

     bastes-why bad omen for the church? is it because with the controlled population growth, you will have less donations during masses, less marriage and binyag service fees? Is it bad omen not for the church but your business? If that’s the case, dagdagan ninyo ang mass on sundays, dagdagan ninyo ang kasal and allow 10 years boys and girls to be married, the more the merrier, di ba? tutal pera din lang hanap, ok na iyon.

    shut  up bishops. you’re a shame!!!
       

  • Radeon Blue

    Tell this to the bishops…

    Pnoy should continue to push the Responsible Parenthood bill in whatever form it maybe. The government should hold its ground against the meddling of the church in its affairs. If the church continues to do so, Pnoy should push a bill to tax the church instead so the government can have extra funds to address the country’s  increasing population.

    It is a pity that while we are no longer under Spain’s occupation, the church still considers most of us as their puppets because some of our politicians do still act that way. We should not vote again for this kind of “leaders”.

  • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

    Mr President, please do what is right for the country by doing all that is possible to get the RH bill passed. Ignore the CBCP. They are just a noisy and fragmented lot whose organization has fallen into a total and complete disarray.

  • pening

    P’noy RH bill is needed by the country, country is not the bishops. Bishops are men they may not really represent GOd.  People are behind you.

  • bgcorg

    It is not correct that majority of Catholics favor the reproductive health bill. The survey is conducted on selective groups that naturally favor it.  The bill though should be seen for what it is.  It is a smokes screen for the failure to fight poverty effectively.  That more children are born from the underprivileged classes of society is no argument to advocate and officially adopt a program of government to aggressively impose birth control, giving it a semblance of legitimacy by promulgating a “law”.  It seems that people in government who have warmed up to the idea stopped short of asking the important sociological question of WHY and just focused on stopping human births as a way to keep their own skin.  Had they asked this question first and why, in a definite segment of society, they would have found out that the problem as they see it, should instead focus on human development, on spreading equal opportunities, on a more equitable distribution of wealth, on providing education to a greater number of children especially in far flung areas of the archipelago, on generating more employment and livelihood and proper training for meaningful or productive jobs, on spending more for peace and development especially in the countryside,  on curbing inflation and exploring on sources of fuel to power industry and the economy, on finding sustainable sources of water for consumption and agriculture, on preserving the environment for  future generations, on more democratization of primary health care, on necessary public works and transportation facilities, free from corruption,  on the moral values and regeneration of Filipino culture especially among people in government, and so forth.  All of these matters should receive priority all at once, not be blinded by a smoke screen and dwell on a solution that satisfies those who advocate for artificial contraception, abortion, divorce, same sex marriages, free and indiscriminate sex, and even before marriage.

    Those who are advocating for “reproductive health rights” may not all realize it, but giving in to artificial contraception and systematically “imposing” them in a law, would little by little lead this country to adopt a culture of death, less reverence for life, less awareness of God’s presence in the home and society, to suit one’s convenience, lifestyle, the “easy” life based on commercialism and materialism, plunge the country into radical secularism, and away from the teachings of the gospel.  Without saying it in words, in effect this government is treading the way away from God.  Doing so is openly defying the life-giving spirit guiding the true Church of the master and redeemer of mankind.

    People in government, including the legislature, should therefore realize that giving the less fortunate in society a realizable hope to be able to improve their lives and by endeavoring so that social justice may reign in the land, the ideal population growth rate can more or less be achieved.  To immediately do an aggressive, legislated government program like the proposed rh bill is to adopt the wrong solution to the problem of poverty and sub-human conditions upliftment.  If husband and wife are provided with gainful livelihood or employment and children are educated properly in school, homes and other esential conveniences provided, the usual recourse to sex which is free among couples who have lived in, would occupy less time and attention among them.  Legislators of course understand if they only reflect that “you cannot serve both God and mammon.” 

    Informing couples about Natural Family Planning Mehods and using good taxpayers’ money for the above priorities mentioned is not against the law; it is more effective governance, more relevant legislation, more freedom-friendly.  Only those who cannot believe can do injustice objectively to women by legislating a wrong solution and yet come out grinning to appear patriotic.  The Church supports efforts of society for human development, social justice and temperance or abstinence.  She is for the practice of virtue by all men of good will, and is against licensing of debauchery, unnatural practices, the willful atheism and agnosticism encouraged by the secular world, the breakdown of the family as this would eventually lead o the destruction of society, anti-life sentiments based on materialism and the perpetualtion of despair among God’s children who, like the more privileged members of human societies were made to the image and likeness of God. 

    Whenever a law defies the Natural Law in God, that law is not enforceble, with consequences to boot. “What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but in end suffers the loss of his soul?” When we become humble, obedient and docile to the teachings of holy MOTHER, the Church, God could operate with his grace in us with faith. How can we believe, unless they are sent? “He who hears you, hears me and the one who sent me.”

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       ”It is not correct that majority of Catholics favor the reproductive health bill.”

      I am RCatholic, and I for one favor it.

      “It seems that people in government who have warmed up to the idea
      stopped short of asking the important sociological question of WHY and
      just focused on stopping human births as a way to keep their own skin. 
      Had they asked this question first and why, in a definite segment of
      society, they would have found out that the problem as they see it,
      should instead focus on human development, on spreading
      equal opportunities, on a more equitable distribution of wealth, on
      providing education to a greater number of children especially in far
      flung areas of the archipelago, on generating more employment and
      livelihood and proper training for meaningful or productive jobs, on
      spending more for peace and development especially in the countryside, 
      on curbing inflation and exploring on sources of fuel to power industry
      and the economy, on finding sustainable..”

      I disagree.

      What you mentioned are already parts of a whole with the RH Bill that would complement it. What you have written are already efforts, good efforts that the government have been trying to do since….well ever since we had a government. Sadly they can’t seem to work, or at least, not effective to a national level.  What it needs is something that could help it.

      Think of what you suggested as the strategy, and the RH a tactic to the same goals.

      • marionics

        he he ang tiyaga mo. wala kang mapapala sa mga yan kundi half truths and full lies and dogma hahaha

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        Good morning uli sir!

        May balita ba kay favorite atty natin? Saan na kaya sya. Naiisip pa ba nya yung time namin together when we pulled an all nighter…este, sa mind ko lang pala iyon.

        di bale. meron pa naman kaming session mamayang gabi.

        hahahaha

      • marionics

        ala na yata pre nasa NYC na daw yata nabasa ko minsan. she is too good for us he he

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        NYC, di bale, we (I mean she) and I will do the horizontal tango tonight!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/Y2S7XES5KZERUIHGKQ52R2YPIU jason

        GO RH BILL!!

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       ”Those who are advocating for “reproductive health rights” may not all
      realize it, but giving in to artificial contraception and systematically
      “imposing” them in a law, would little by little lead this country to
      adopt a culture of death, less reverence for life, less awareness of
      God’s presence in the home and society, to suit one’s convenience,
      lifestyle, the “easy” life based on commercialism and materialism,
      plunge the country into radical secularism, and away from the teachings
      of the gospel.”

      How so?

      Would you enumerate some of the countries that used their own artificial RH law and turned it worse?

      I can, in turn enumerate countries that have used their own, and did not decent into something even worse. I suppose they have their government, which allows them a list of things they can do, and a religion which allows their conscience a list of things they can do. And they have their morality to decide which.

    • TGM_ERICK

      Agree to your insightful comment. And please may I suggest that the government could give incentive dole outs to newly wed couple five years from now who spaced their children well like having one evry 4 years short of using contraceptives and condoms. The local parish could recommend the couples. :-)

    • tadasolo

      You must be living in a sheltered life to come with that “dream” world solution. Your long pontification of virtues, social justice, human development and God’s law are entirely devoid of reality in the concrete context of the millions of suffering Filipinos living in miserable conditions. These people do not have any possibility even remotely of getting out their subhuman conditions without government support and intervention. Most of them are resorting to crime, selling their bodies thru prostitution, going abroad to work and be abused. Even educated Filipinos cannot find decent jobs are having a hard time looking for work let alone poor people living in cemetery near dead people. You and the church are using methods to manipulate and create fear of eternal suffering and pressure tactics to politicians and people that is comparable to the middle ages.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Z6R2QAY7UWNJMTCRTED3JZXPIA Joey

    it doesn’t matter whether majority of filipinos are catholic or not. the philippine government is the government NOT ONLY OF CATHOLIC FILIPINOS BUT OF ALL FILIPINOS!!! PNoy is the President NOT ONLY OF CATHOLIC FILIPINOS BUT OF ALL FILIPINOS!!!. therefore, the government, PNoy included, should not defer to the rules, edicts, laws, or principles of Catholic Church in the Philippines. on the contrary, the government should respect the existence of several religions in the Philippines equally AT ALL LEVELS! if Catholics are bothered by their consciences because of the use of contraceptives, THEY HAVE BY ALL MEANS THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE NOT TO USE THEM!!!

    • Loggnat

       AMEN…..  to that.

    • bgcorg

      Do not legislate the rh bill into law.  Freedom is then served.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WD734H73H4WD755MHPMPA77AVU Anthony

    dear CBCP please continue to promote moral responsibility but avoid interfering with government’s social responsibility, which in the end should co-exist with the church’s moral values thru providing more chances for a better life for this nation’s future. an objective that should earn everybody’s support.

  • marionics

    napaka duwag din talaga ng malakanyang oo. war na kasi

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       Takot ba sa war?  Lets analyze.

      Takot sa china. walang magawa.

      takot sa mga CPP/NPA, binigyan ng posisyon sa gobyerno, binighyan ng suhol.

      takot sa MILF, bignigyan ng suhol.

      oo nga ano.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    Dapat ipasa na. Kong puyde lang in secret to avoid sensationalizing in the media.

  • ApoLapullapu

    There was no declaration  of “war” in the SONA/  That was why applause was overwhelming from all quarters. The phrase used  by the President was Responsible Parenthood and it made everybody hapopy.

  • akimaxx

    Nakikialam na naman ang mga obispo

    Responsible Parenthood ay di nyo gusto
    Ang plano nyo dumami ang mga Pilipino
    Kahit di na kayang pag-aralin ang mga anak hanggang kolehiyo,

    Mabuti pa ang Agila, bago iwan ang anak
    Pakikibaka sa mundo, naituro ng ganap at tiyak
    Paghanap ng pagkain hanggang sa paglipad
    Siguradong hindi na babalik sa kanilang pugad

    Pagdami ng tao ay parang problema sa trapiko
    Pag-sobra ang sasakyan ano ang gagawin mo?
    Diba ayusin ang daloy upang di magkagulo 
    Kapag sala-salabat na, STOP muna, bago mag-G0

    Mga Obispo o mga Obispo
    Ano ang pinag-gagawa sa inyong kombento
    Maki-alam sa takbo ng ating gobyerno?
    Moralidad ang ituro, ang politika ay hindi mo mundo

    Responsible Sex sa loob ng simbahang Katoliko
    Dumarami ang kaso ng mga Pari na uma-abuso
    Hindi lang sa Pilipinas kundi sa buong mundo
    Sabi nga ni Papa Benedict, ‘sumasakit na ang aking ulo’

    Iwan ang kombento at abutin ang mga tao
    Ituro ang tamang bilang ng nagpa-pamilyang Pilipino
    Mga Obispo, kung husto pa ang inyong talino
    Ang Responsible Parenthood ay maka-Diyos at maka-tao.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QZZKXPEA67I7HELEIYM35QVYFA Jon

    Mga pari, payong kaibigan lang.
    Wag nyong iimbyernbahin si Papa E.
    Wala kayong panalo sa pinkamataas na kilay at reyna ng taray ng Palasyo.
    At baka pagkukurutin pa ang mga singit ninyo pag naasar siya ng todo.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AHXXSHY4F2ZXT5L2UGYU5JVALE Tomas

    is RH or pnoy’s euphemistically put “responsible parenthood” program pro-poor? many of those cheering pnoy for mentioning population control seems inured to the fact that he situated his desire for it in the context of his remarks on education.

    he was saying that to make education gains stick, there
    should be RH and population control! he was basically blaming 
    overpopulation for the problems of the education system! he was basically
    saying that poor filipino parents were IRRESPONSIBLE for reproducing and
    putting pressure on the public education system! 
    the problems of the education system are multifarious, but they basically boil down to CORRUPTION and INCOMPETENCE of govt! now pnoy is saying kasalanan ng mga magulang na anak nang anak.
    please check again his SONA and
    if you don’t find his statements CONDESCENDING or even ARROGANT, then join
    rizza hontiveros and other anti-poor burgis eugenicists like her in giving pnoy
    a standing ovation!

  • NEILMCNALLY

    P-Noy “is imposing his position(on the RH Bill) on the people”..well,well…talk about calling the kettle black!!
    The roman catholic church has been doing that on the Pilipino people for nigh on 350 years..AND the people have not benefited at all from that imposition..IN FACT,they have suffered more and more through-out all those years.
    Goodbye Catholic Church..you got it terribly wrong..go back to Italy where you belong..and do not come back.thanks

  • just_anotherperson

    I am for the priest reminding the faithful who voted for the RH Bill and let us see if the lawmaker is willing to go against the faith of his constituents.

  • Steven Zahl

    ITALY, where catolicism started, had its own Universal RH Bill approved in 1970.  The pope did not do anything.

    Let’s not be TRYING HARD cathoilics.

  • Josefusjoselitus Zurczeraus

    a very poor farmer having a primary education only who was asked an easy question like, Ano kaya sa palagay mo ang mas mahirap buhayin, ang pamilyang  may maraming anak, o ang pamilyang may kokonting anak lang?”. his answer was. Palagay ko depende, pag marami kang anak pero marami ka namang rekursos, pera at ari-arian, wala yatang problema dyan, pero pag tulad naming sing hirap yata ng daga napakahirap bubuhayin yata ng pamilyang may maraming anak.Palagay mo kailangan pa kaya ng batas para kontrolin paglaki ng pamilya? His answer. Palagay ko hindi na, nasa sa tao na yon e pag tirahan lang silang mag-asawa nang tirahan, dadami talaga ang anak nila.
    We need not hear a million and one people having the same answer for us to conclude RH bill is not necessary.family planning program can already be good depending on how efficient the implementers of the program will be implementing it.
    Is RH Bill  pro-life?No. It’s a no not because the church had said it, but human reason has it. God/natural law  has designed manhood and womanhood. Science has told us, that man has millions of sperms and they are not dead organisms, but live ones and they are all designed for life.For man to make use of them supposedly needs proper timings, thus, man supposed to know when and when not. Woman has egg cells, and she has a cycle especially designed for woman (never designed for transgenders); menstrual, fertile and infertile periods are included. Nature had all these designed. If he/she however is a man and woman by whose desire mostly why do sexual intercourse is for flesh gratification, then he/she can never reflect in view of the proper use according to its designed and so, the use of pills, of IUD’s, of condoms, etc. It’s not about abortion, but curtailment of the life-creating process.
    God knew from the start that man will one day abused the will endowed to him by God as he will abuse the intellect by using it not according to God’s design.That, in anticipation He proclaimed eating the fruit at the middle of the garden is forbidden.
    God has perfect mathematics, He knew that when man and woman are into sex not according to  His design they will be multiplying and multiplying. Fertility period is supposed to be designed for co-creation, so that at  fertile period man and woman who wanted to have child will do sex. In other words, God also designed infertility periods for man and woman to do sex when they do not want sex would result to pregnancy.
    You singled-out contraceptives as freedom to choose, when you can say, “In avoiding STD, do no sex to sex partner you are not familiar with”, because for you man and woman can have sex to anybody provided he/she has to use condoms.Biased! why say contraceptives?When you can say, “To avoid pregnancy, you may use contraceptives, but you can also do sex at woman’s infertile periods”. Female dogs know nothing about cycle, woman knew. Dogs may do sex wherever, whenever, man and woman dnt.
    Some say if not many says, sexual desire is a desire so hard to control. Wrong! For if it is so hard to control why dnt you do it wherever and whenever you desires?Well, if it is then, you are of no difference from brutes.

     



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