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Aquino’s RH bill endorsement an open war on Church, bishops say

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Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles. (southernluzoninquirer.com photo)

It’s now open war.

Members of the influential Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) on Tuesday denounced President Benigno Aquino’s decision to push for the passage of the reproductive health (RH) bill during his State of the Nation Address (Sona) on Monday.

Lipa Archbishop Ramon Arguelles said the President’s open endorsement of the bill during his Sona was a declaration of “open war” against the Catholic Church.

“Aquino declared an open war, a head-on collision against us and against the Catholic Church. So terrible, so blatantly Aquino missed the point,” Arguelles said in an interview.

“We in the prolife movements are so disgusted with these vigorous pronouncements in support of responsible parenthood,” he added.

Arguelles dismissed the President’s contention that slowing down the country’s population growth would benefit the nation. In contrast, the prelate said, the country’s booming population would drive its economy.

Real face

“(Aquino’s) selective ‘matuwid na daan (straight path)’ program shows its real face … Time is essential. Our camp must act now,” he said.

Sorsogon Bishop Arturo Bastes, member of the CBCP Permanent Council, said Mr. Aquino’s statement was a “bad omen” for the Catholic Church and was undermining its moral authority.

“Aquino is undermining the moral force of the Catholic Church. We have to move our people to vigilance and teach more our congressmen about the dangers of the RH bill,” Bastes said.

“Poverty, not population, must be eliminated. The more contented people are in the Philippines, the greater is our nation. Don’t kill people,” he added.

Voice of the people

Malolos Bishop Jose Oliveros urged President Aquino to listen to the voice of the people, whom he noted are majority Catholic.

“Aquino has credited the Filipino people as his bosses for the changes made by his administration. Now he is imposing on the Filipino people his own stand on the RH bill. He should listen to the voice of the majority of our people who are Catholics,” Oliveros said.

But deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte said Mr. Aquino was pushing for the consolidated version of the population management bills pending in the House of Representatives.

“Remember that the President did submit as a priority measure in the 112th [legislative-executive development advisory council] meeting the draft bill of the administration which has been consolidated with the six pending bills in Congress,” Valte told a news briefing in Malacañang.

No hurry

Despite the President’s endorsement of the RH bill, the Senate leadership is in no hurry to pass the controversial bill.

Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile described the President’s statement as a “desire,” while Majority Leader Vicente Sotto III said it was a “very wise move” but intended more as a piece of “advice.”

“No pressure. The President knows that all legislation is open to debate,” Enrile told reporters.

“That is a statement of his desire and to the extent that we can accommodate it, we will accommodate it. But if not, then we say, ‘we beg your pardon.”

Sotto said the Senate was under no pressure to pass the RH bill simply because the President advocated responsible parenthood in his Sona.

“Everybody is in favor of responsible parenthood … that’s why the proposal of the President is good,” he said.

Senator Pia Cayetano, a cosponsor of the RH bill, said she was “not surprised” that Enrile and Sotto were not feeling any pressure.

“They don’t want it anyway,” she said. “I will pressure them simply by doing what is my job, which is to make sure that the bill will go through the process.” With Norman Bordadora and Christian V. Esguerra


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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/AYAJ4A3A7LYHK64UYBE56M7HLM ilvingz

    There goes the seniles and the crazies again!  Bishop Bastes (Bastos?) now even equates unbridled copulation as “making the people contended and the nation greater…”!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O5TQQYPGVHXCQLU4BRQR4FVBNA ramone

    Open war against the Catholic Church? No… If it is an open war, it is against some members of the Catholic hierarchy! Bishops should not be so arrogant as to equate themselves with the Church! Majority of Catholics are in favor of the reproductive health bill. Indeed, in order not to declare war on the bishops, Pnoy used the term “responsible parenthood.” 

    • Facilitator1

      Korek da dya kabayan. Unfortunately, walang IMPEACHMENT sa mga BISHOPS…IMHO, irresponsible ang statement…OLD WORLD THINKING, archaic, and negligent course of action/language para sa kasalukuyan–2012!!!

  • John_Galt_II

    Tang inang mga garapatang obispo na to! Gusto lang nito mang uto at mangulekta ng pera!

  • johnllander

    Can the church feed the ever increasing population? Do the church has the solution to overcrowding? 

    The president’s call is not for war but one of the solutions to one of the problems. Do the church has the solution?

    Man cannot live alone on faith but on bread as well. Be realistic, we are already too many to share a few food, a small shelter, a few clothing, a small land to live in. If the church has no solution to the problem, then it’s time to adjust to the needs of time.

  • magcalasL

    Come on SUVshop, leave the presidency to the president.

  • What, Me worry?

    And so was Rizal’s Noli and Fili. Damaso!!!!

  • magcalasL

    The bishops are not Pnoy’s boss…they are not paying tax to the government….so STFU

  • Michael Paras

    More population = mas madami mag bibigay ng pera sa simbahan. Kaya ayaw nila ma control population natin, mababawasan income nila. Letche. Buti ba kung sila nagpapakain at nagpapaaral sa mga libo libong Pilipino na naghihirap ngayon dahil sa kakulangan ng trabaho at resources.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5EM7PFPTEOTHMRAXYMWVECAZE globetrotter

      projected na kasi income nila for the next 10 years… mababawasan magpapabinyag.

  • pinoy917

    Excuse me bishop, who are you to declare war with the filipino people?  Sa dami ng abuloy sa simbahan na dinadala nyo lang sa vatican, may ginagawa ba kayo sa mga mahihirap?  Let the people decide what is good for them.  Kung kayo ba ang gagastos para sa mga pangangailan ng bawat mahirap na pamilya eh di mabuti.  Kung hindi naman, mas mabuti na hayaan nyo na ang gobyerno na ayusin ang kinabukasan ng mahihirap na pamilya. 

  • pinoy917

    Ayusin nyo na lang bishopsss mga sermon nyo sa simbahan tungkol sa bibliya hindi puro pulitika laman ng mga sermon sa simbahan.  Masyado kayo mapapel sa pagpapatakbo sa gobyerno.  Kung gusto nyo, tumakbo kayong presidente para kayo magpatakbo sa gobyerno sa nais nyong paraan.  Naniniwala ako na may Diyos pero hindi sa mga bishopss na mapulitiko.

  • UrHONOR

    SINO…sino ang lalaban…yong mga naka-sayang puti at naka-helmet na maraming palamuti?  MATAGAL ng war ang marami laban sa mga pinaggagawa ng “chruch”.  At sinong naka-sayang puti ang mag-wa-war, e, ang “church” ay mga tao…hindi mga naka-sayang puti’t helmet.  Yong nga lang war sa pedophile at pangungupit at pagwawalang-hiya sa “pamamalimos” ng kung ano-ano sa gobierno (tulad ng SUV), sexual aberrations, atmpb,  e, hindi ma-umpisa-umpisahan ng mga naka-sayang puti, yong pang IBA na wala sa lalawigan ng pakiki-alam nila? Santa Mariang ina ng awa!

    NAKAKATAWA naman kasi…..parang sinabi ng PH sa CH, gigiyerahin namin kayo kung hindi kayo makikinig sa amin!  Mag-de-declare ang mga naka-sayang puti ng WAR, ano ang ibabala ninyo sa WAR, HOLY WATER na gawa-gawa lamang ninyo? Susmaryosep!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/YZRP5HHLNZE2MUHK4Y5LLQLBYM Hannah

      nakakawalan ng respeto ang mga kaparian ngayon… daig pa China kung humamon! sariling pamahalaan kakalabanin samantalang itong pamahalaang ito ang nagsusumikap dugtungan ang mga buhay ng mga mahihirap na kung manganak mula 13 anyos hanggang 40 na ang sabi ay yaman nila ang mga bata, kasi yung mga bata ang puhunan sa pamamalimos, pagbubugaw… may kausap akong 22 anyos 2 days ago na 4 na anak, OMG, ang trabaho ni mister wheeler driver.. ang payat nung bata! ibig sabihin una siyang nanganak 15! tuwing mag-aaway lalayas, pag sinundo after 3 months buntis! pag tinanong mo kung ano ang religion- katoliko! may kiber ba si pader?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/R5EM7PFPTEOTHMRAXYMWVECAZE globetrotter

    what? here we go again.. the stumbling block why this nation can’t move forward because of this modern day Padre Damaso….. please for god’s sake respect the separation of church and state! stop meddling with the Government’s affair…. why don’t you attack Rome they are so many pornographic magazines just outside the gates of the Vatican and abortion is allowed….

    • Jay Ann

      So is divorce. It is also allowed in Rome.

  • Renato_SUPOT_Pacifico


    “open war” ???
    what choice of words ! these pitiful bishops are so full of themselves. 

    proponents of the reproductive health bill are trying to promote responsible parenthood and not some silly war as a pretense of machismo among the populace. 

    bishops ang lalaki ng ulo ninyo !
    you have obviously failed to influence the people in the quest to a healthy population. so step aside and let the reproductive health bill pass through.

  • martial_law_baby

    Ang mga bishops feeling nila majority of Pinoys are with them on the RH Bill issue. Nagkakamali po kayo. Gusto nilang dumami ng dumami ang Pinoy para marami silang makukuhanan ng abuloy. Ituloy nyo na lang ang pang huhuthut nyo sa mga Politikong tiwali na nagbibigay sa inyo ng pera kahit na alam nyong sa masama nanggagaling ang pera nila. Huwag nyo nang idamay ang mga nakakarami sa amin. Kung gusto nyo talagang makialam sa politika sa bansang ito, dapat i tax ang mga abuloy na nakokolekta nyo. Kung ayaw ninyo makuhanan ng tax ay tumahimik na lang kayo. At alam ko rin kung bakit ayaw nyong ipalaganap ang pag gamit ng condom. Kasi hindi naman kayo nakakabuntis ng altar boy. Si Tito Sotto kaya ayaw nyang kontrolin ang pagdami ng populasyon natin ay dahil natatakot sya na baka kumonti na ang manonood ng Eat Bulaga.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PRDGZHO73F5SCBMJO3BGCPXR6E Nilo C

    Mga Obispo dyan na lang kayo sa inyong mga bakuran. Linisin ninyo ng mabuti ang inyong mga bakuran at huwag paki-alaman ang bakuran ng iba.
    Mabuti pa pag-igihan ninyo ang pagtulong sa mga mahihirap. Salita kayo ng salita gawin ninyo sa gawa.

  • Renato_SUPOT_Pacifico

    Arguelles dismissed the President’s contention that slowing down the country’s population growth would benefit the nation. In contrast, the prelate said, the country’s booming population would drive its economy.

    this has to be one of the most reprehensible statement of the year !

    Arguelles, you are like the irresponsible parent who would want more children so they can send them off to beg in the streets ! NAPAKA IRESPONSABLE MO !

  • Tonypogi

    “Arguelles dismissed the President’s contention that slowing down the
    country’s population growth would benefit the nation. In contrast, the
    prelate said, the country’s booming population would drive its economy.”

    It is the Bishops who thoroughly missed the point.  They believe that a bigger population will boost contribution to the Church. They neglect they fact that they are way behind in the support of the poor morally and financially. They have even contributed to the corruption of the government. They threaten the politicians with lack of support during elections as their means to meddle with the running of the government.  If the President listens to their pleas and arguments, the Philippines will be moving backwards.

  • anak_mahirap50

    mapapakain ba ng simbahan ang maraming batang nagugutom?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YZRP5HHLNZE2MUHK4Y5LLQLBYM Hannah

    The Catholic priests/bishops do not know their own faithfuls.. they are the ones using pills, condoms, being ligated, having abortion etc… they are the biggest user! They are fighting their own wars. I understand of course, because their number increases generally  by birth; and those who have matured and are enlightened in the Word flee and move to other churches…  Fact is, with or without the passage of the RH bill, Catholic women or not will continue using artificial birth control methods because of mathematics- more children means higher cost. The passage will only translate to making the birth control implements available to those who can not afford- the poorest of the poor who produce the most number of children they can not afford to raise. This is the bulk of the expenditures that the gov’t is providing for. Too bad not many priest go to the depressed areas.

  • dickenhead

    the bishops are sore because they lose their perks!

  • Ommm

    ” The more contented people are in the Philippines, the greater is our nation.”

    Perhaps you mean the more robust is “the business of religion” ?

    The bishops certainly don’t care about the man trying to feed 8 kids while making P200 a day. They don’t want for food or cook over an open fire…actually they do very well with practically all their needs donated by parishioners.

    The young priests and other agents are sent out monthly to homes on “the list”. Normally middle class older people. They get a free lunch and quick donation, tell them Jesus loves them…. then it’s off to the next victim they have sold heaven to. Sometimes they hold special rosaries and other “in home” community rituals involving mostly women where the mania reaches a fever pitch due to the personalized flavor. These events are huge cash cows for the church.

    Here in the Philippines we all know beggars… now if a beggar approached you on the street and claimed to be Jesus Christ come to earth again…would you give him some pesos or tell him to take a hike?….

  • Michael Paras

    Good to know there are so many others who support the RH bill here in PDI. Our nation is progressing rapidly when it comes to separation of the church and the state. Hopefully this continues, and pretty soon our politicians won’t have to worry about the “consequences” of gaining the ire of the Catholic church. Maybe then the priests and bishops would stick to providing religious counsel to their flock, and not meddle with politics.

  • http://twitter.com/JuanTamadachij Juan Tamadachij

    Bishop Damaso, please shut up.. Your lack of eloquence only alienates the faithful.. You should welcome the RH bill because it just might result in lessening the number of children who are sired by priests..

  • Betz Chui

    pera pera lang yan. maraming bata, maraming bibinyagan, maraming ikakasal, maraming mamamatay – maraming pera sa simbahan, bayad sa simbahan from birth to death, hehehe.

    SUV lang katapat ng mga yan…………..

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MHBUYPBH6UUEIJXMEVKDCBVENI Roman

       Nasapul mo!

    • Albus_Umbra

      Actually until after death kumikita ang simbahan … pag napanaginipan mo ang kamag-anak mong namatay sasabihin sayo ng pari hindi matahimik ang kaluluwa…kailangan ipag-pamisa  ….. Pera na naman! 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JZREA6MQEI5H4LFJYRFWIDRGTE benj

        hahaha…nakalkal mo pa un?! wapak! hehe

      • Michael Paras

         Hahahaha natawa ako dun Tagakalkal. Oo nga naman.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CBBPG4SGSURB5V5A5BBQX4HF2Y Peter

    Ireland has declared an open war against the Catholic Church, now, it is no longer the ‘sick man of Europe’ and there is economic progress, the filipino instead must declare war against this archaic religion, instead of offering solution to our problems, it is part of the problem. This bishop shows his arrogance and stupidity and still thinks that we still live during the Spanish era. CBCP is sore with  Pnoy as they are no longer enjoying the perks, SUV offered by that lady thief now languishing in jail.

  • barako22

    ang dapat sisihin dito ang senado hanggang ngayon ayaw pa nilang ipasa ang RH bill

  • tra6Gpeche

    Mr Aquino has nothing to lose by endorsing the RH bill. Unless he is serving the whims and wayward ego of the Catholic Religious Church and not the Filipino people, then he should really be scared and fearful of not being “blessed” by the self-serving Filipino Priests. If he disobeyed them, he would probably go to that imaginary place with too much fire. But if he obeys the majority of the Filipinos, he will definitely be free from this religious bondage. Knowing that you do what is good and right for the Filipino families and the country, Mr. Aquino should feel proud about himself. In the future, Mr. Benigno Simeon Aquino III will be a hero in the hearts of most Filipinos.

  • carlbenedict

     A representative of Jesus (A source of Peace) talking of preparation for war?

    To CBCP – Mas matutulungan sila ng Reproductive health bill kasi ang daming bading at rapist sa ranks nila.  Kaya dapat talagang bigyan at turuang gumamit si Bishop Arguelles ng condom para hindi sya magkasakit or makahawa ng sakit.

  • arthur1401

    These bishops can’t say anything sensible nowadays.
    BISHOPS SAID, “RH BILL IS AN OPEN WAR AGAINST THE CHURCH”. YOU ARE SO NARROW-MINDED BISHOPS. THIS IS AN OPEN WAR AGAINST POVERTY, NOT AGAINST ANY INDIVIDUAL, ORGANIZATIONS OR ENTITIES. 
    It looks like that your mind is blanketed with insecurities that every time the government comes up with sensible steps towards alleviating poverty, you think, it is a step against you. You can be compared to an insecured wife who has to question where her husband is going every time he steps out of the door.
    You better study economics bishops before you say faster growth population translates to a booming economy. It depends and it does not apply to the Philippine conditions at the present time.
    The phil is a very small country with very large population, one of the highest in the world and with very limited resources. We are a third world country, which relied on economic aids from other countries and OFW. Our educational system is one of the worst in the world because the schools that provide better systems and good teachers are catholic schools like ateneo, la salle, ust and many more sectarian schools operated by church but the fees are beyond the reach of ordinary juan dela cruz. If you can afford to lift the tuition fees so that students from the most impoverishes areas can attend ateneo and lasalle, free of charge, then I’m with you. 
    Go to squatter areas, go to the provinces, go to remotest barangays and you will see nothing but numerous barefooted-children playing in the streets and massive poverty. Is this what you want? To see nothing but poverty and eyesores? 
    The present economic conditions need immediate and hard-line solutions. Chief of them is to reduce the population growth that is projected to reach unmanageable proportions in few years to come. This is a long term solution that has been studied and recommended by economists and experts long before pnoy’s admin came into being because of limited and dwindling resources.
    And yet, here you are talking garbage but not offering any help to alleviate poverty. You are becoming this nation’s biggest problem, worst than corrupt politicians, abusayyaf and NPA combined. Pnoy is doing the best he could to see a progressive phil but it’s a pity that he has to hurdle the biggest hump for him to succeed-The bishops. 
    SHAME ON YOU BISHOPS!!! KAKAPAL NINYO!!!. PASS RH BILL NOW!!!

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       “They say, RH bill is an open war against the church. Pardon bishops.
      It’s is an open war against poverty, not against any individual,
      organization or entities.”

      Emphasized.

  • pening

    Pnoy do not worry about the bishops, they are the sameas the leftists promoting their ideology. You can not lessen poverty without controlling the population. It is worse to have a population who can pray but can not feed themselves. Let the bishops do the praying for they can not helpanyway lessen the poverty of the population.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MHBUYPBH6UUEIJXMEVKDCBVENI Roman

    Let us not listen to these Catholic priests.  Many people go hungry because there is no formal sex education given to our citizens.  If our people go hungry, these priests are not feeding them.  In fact, they are living lavishly in their convents.  Let’s ignore them for the sake of our country.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       I like Jesus Christ, but not his RCChurch!

  • andrew lim

    I am dismayed by the arrogance of the bishops, as if they alone held all the truth in the world, and all Filipinos must obey them.

    Pass the RH bill!

  • fasoriamd

    I am glad the President is going ahead with the RH bill. It is about time. Ignore these bishops who are just thinking their own interest not the people Mr. President. 

  • pening

    Bishop Bastes it is more immoral to have more kids can not eat and live a decent human living. I know you see poverty but you never experience to miss a meal or eat once a day.  You live by asking people to give to the Church,it is like a leech sucking blood even from th epoor people nad live in the comfort of bishop palace. I studied in UST for 8 yrs but Catholic pronouncements are becoming irrelevants in real life.

  • inquirercet

    let’s tax the church and use the tax money to fund the rh bill programs!!!

    • Michael Paras

      Hahaha good idea. Hit them where it hurts. Better yet, threaten the church that you will tax them, then use that threat as a leverage to push the RH bill through. If they oppose RH bill, tax them. If they don’t, leave them be. Both camps win, and the Philippines as a whole will benefit.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       I second this motion.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JZREA6MQEI5H4LFJYRFWIDRGTE benj

      magandang ideya yan. i am sooo thrilled to see the reactions of the MitsuBISHOPS!

  • browndarwinian

    “The cure for poverty has a name, in fact. It’s called the empowerment of women.  If you give women some control over the rate at which they reproduce, if you give them some say, take them off the animal cycle of reproduction to which nature and some religious doctrine condemns them, and then if you throw in a handful of seeds, the floor of everything in that village, not just poverty, but health and education, will increase. Try it in Bangladesh and Bolivia, it works all the time. Name me one religion that stands for that, or ever has.”

    -Christopher Hitchens

    • inquirercet

      RIP mr. hitchens. you are missed.

  • tulfotumbong

    The cause of the dwindling in the number of Catholics in our country is the colonial mentality of these bishops.

    • rezli

      NPA..?? army yan ng mga bishop, maraming mga pari ang naging NPA..

      • What, Me worry?

        Yups, Jesuits yung kilala ko from admu

  • motorcyclemama

    Pwede bang likidahin na ang lahat ng obispong nagpapahirap ng bayan? san na kayong mga NPA?

    • WAJ

       Hindi ba ninyo alam na meron din Pare na sumasapi sa mga taong labas… 

  • GlenMJacob

    RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD IS BETTER THAN IRRESPONSIBLE STEWARDSHIP BY THE BISHOPS (IRRESPONSIBLE PRIESTHOOD).

    What kind of bishop is this using the word “war”. Bishops are suppose to be a promoter of “peace”.

    I suggest, the church follow the teaching of Christ. “sell all your properties, give it to the poor and follow me” is what Christ has said.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/WC5IJSKXTZLNM3AV3VGPMM4O7Y ero

    BISHOP MISSED THE POINT THEY WANTED MORE CHILDREN IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE INCOME HAHAHAH SELFISH MENTALITY. THEY DON’T HAVE MORAL ANYWAY THEY OPPOSED SAME SEX THEY DON’T SEE THEIR MEMBERS ARE DOING SEX WITH SAME GENDER…..  

  • bgcorg

    The common, ordinary, universal and continuous teaching of the Church on sex, love, marriage and the family are not antiquated or motivated by selfish motives, attributed to be so by malicious minds.  Many have exhibited their penchant for criticizing the position of the CBCP and individual bishops on the reproductive health bill because for them the Church meddles in political matters.  This is farthest from reality.  For example, in the rh bill, the bishops are objecting to artificial contraception, use of government resources and taxpayers’ money for the procurement of contraceptive medicines, devices, procedures and services when these billions could be better spent for giving the majority of Filipinos opportunities to develop themselves as full human beings, generate employment and livelihood, improve primary health care, provide for quality education to the greater number of Filipinos especially in far-flung areas of the country, bring down the prices of basic goods and services, improve government services and public infrastructures.  Contraceptives should not be given the status of “essential medicines” because they are not and would certainly rob the country of taxes due to tax exemptions and further burden taxpayers.  The focus of government efforts should be to eradicate poverty, work for social justice and fight corruption.  This government should give its people hope that they could liberate themselves from poverty so that the very poor could have more in law, more shirts on their backs, more food on the table, more roof over their heads, more work to afford basic and prime necessities of life and to educate responsibly their brood to become upright citizens of the country and of the eternal kingdom beyond this life.

    In all of the aspects of human life on earth, morality is a reality that the Church has a divine right to speak about.  She speaks against evils in governance (not in actually running government), corruption and the illicit game of numbers, following of what is right and avoiding the wrong, the evils of euthanasia, abortion, and respect for life. 

    Bishops don’t see the rh bill as the solution to poverty.  They only want married couples to practice responsible parenting and be open to life.  To unduly meddle and intervene in the process of human reproduction such as actively causing the prevention of the sperm from fertilizing the ovum or by causing the fertilized ovum not to be implanted in the endometrium of the uterus is not in accordance with Church teaching.  Virtue requires a constant “habit” to do good and it is within the moral mandate of the Church to teach that men (and women) practise virtue and so be worthy of eternal reward in the next life. Abstinence and temperance, fortitude, justice and prudence are among these virtues. “Woe to me if I don’t preach Christ.”  For pastors of the Church, “it is better to obey God, rather than men.”

    Unlike in diseases and illnesses where medicines in all their “artificial” and chemical makes may be necessary, there is a natural order and good natural design in sex, reproduction, love, within the context of marriage and the family.  In the reproductive cycle, there is a fertile and infertile period.  Observing these periods are therefore in accordance with the Natural Law whose primary principles “do good and avoid evil,” and “do not do unto others as you do not want them to do unto you,” with some deductive reasoning, would lead one into concluding that to knowingly and willingly perform sex during the fertile period of your spouse without being open to life is not doing good and avoiding evil.  But observing the natural rhytym of the reproductive cycle out of “conjugal chastity,” i.e., for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and for the higher interest of the family is good and in accordance with the Natural Law.  It respects the natural order and good natural design of creation in sex, naturally provided by the Author of life and death to it for the procreation of children or the enjoyment of the couple, and for the enhancement of family relations in view of the kingdom.

    What is generally not understood by blind followers is that technically, for those rabid puskers of “reproductive rights” behind the rh bill, the word, “reproductive health” is a catch-all for the move to gain legislation for the legal standing of artificial contraception and condoms, abortion, divorce, same sex marriages, and the license for indiscriminate and free sex. So, misled, they mouth the slogans for their “freedoms” to destroy the institution of marriage and love.  Under the guise of being modern, they attack the Church, under the pretext of population control, outdated teachings, and other name-calling expletives.

    The Church stands for morality, right, and order.  “What does it profit a man, if he gains the whole world, but in the end, suffers the loss of his soul?” 

    • GlenMJacob

      The Church stands for morality, right, and order. “What does it profit a man, if he gains the whole world, but in the end, suffers the loss of his soul?”

      What happened to the church that Christ has built. Where are they now ? The Bishops are now in the palaces. Do you believe the Bishops has gained there souls by not living what they preached? They use the words and teaching of Christ but not living what it meant?

      The Church is the people and the people wants the RH bill passed. It is the Bishops (not the church) who is against the RH bill. Indeed it is the people (Church) that stands for morality, right, and order but not the Bishops who abuse kids, etc.

    • rezli

      to eradicate poverty first reduce population then focus to other things, church should help the goverment by paying their taxes…

  • mapanuri

    Majority of the people want RH. And let this Bishop know that the constituents of the Republic of the Philippines are not all Catholics. I am a Catholic and I support RH bill. Please remit taxes first before you engage with state affairs.

  • Gerry

    Very irresponsible statement, God gave us FREE WILL and the church today wants to take that away and dictate what we can and cant do. The Church should only guide, it should not dictate our lives.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/UJ6GRNQKVL23RENSH2RJ6UFZ64 Jud

       tama…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XQODE2FO77XSRL7WNORTHGEKUU Eric

    This supposed moral guides wants more hungry, unable to go to school children on the street and rally them together to shout “nag hihirap kami” wala kaming makain, Pinoy nasaan ang pangako mo na yayaman kami kahit wala kaming gawin?

    I’m a pro-life person but I believed in responsible parenthood. notice the survey – priest – kong sino pa ang sumisigaw na mahirap sila, sila  pa ang MARAMING ANAK.  and the selfish priest encourages it and blame their fate on the government.

    • rezli

      responsible parenthood..?? di yan alam ng mga pari, pati sila nang gagahasa narin para dumami ang mga bata…hehee…

  • Binayawak

    sorry Church. our bounty are taken by the populous non tax payers. the poor people are getting more sophisticated…it is unbelievable to hear from squatters…”give us place to live with livelihood if you want us a to leave…” whereinfact they should have been thankful for the years they have used the land…this will be further be complicated…

    have pity on the taxpayers…their money are not free…perhaps when the lowest strata of the population has become responsible enough we can take off RH bill…meanwhile, we should give our country’s economy a chance to align well…

    • rezli

      the bottom line should reduce population in order to attain good economy then the poverty it will minimize ….

  • Bart

    science and education is the greatest fear of the church. we filipinos are slowly seeing the truth about this cult who for centuries have enslaved us in the name of god. although there are honorable men and women among them who truly wants to serve the people, they are outnumbered by the scums who are only after personal glory by serving the vatican well and in part getting a share of the wealth the poor faithful donates. “declaring war” what balderdash from a cult who majority of it’s members are not seeing eye to eye with its policy anymore and have gotten sick hearing that some of its leaders have allowed themselves to be corrupted by the past administration.  “the country’s booming population would drive its economy” to where bishop? how can the booming population drive the economy if it cannot feed, provide and shelter itself? i think a robust economy is driven by consumer spending, so how can the booming population you talk about can help if majority of them is born poor and will likely end up like their parents. do not worry PNOY, i am but 1 approval for RH Bill, but if you feel the pulse of this country about it, it is palpable enough.

    • rezli

      you never ever hide to technology…

  • PutingAgila

    We are Catholics but not stupid Catholics to simply follow stupid Catholic leaders. 

    • rezli

      galit sila pag walang manganak, kase po wala na silang bibinyagan na bata, kaya ma bawasan ang kita ng simbahan, yung mga pari nga nasa mga beer hause at nang gagahasa narin para dumami ang mga bata..hehehe…dahil sa tawag ng laman….

  • marionics

    absent pa yung mga tagapagtanggol ng mga praile a he he. baka pang hapon hahaha

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       good morning sir!

      • marionics

        he he nabati ko lang ang mga maka praile e nagparamdam ka na. di ka naman maka praile di ba?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         ahahahah

        just call me Damaso….este….maybe.

  • WAJ

    It is an open war if the Philippines is over populated. Lack of education, jobs, poverty, hunger and diseases is the product of over population. Over populated area can also contribute to a negative impact to environments, because humans are one of the main source of environmental problems. Catholic Bishops, Priest, and the like should stay away from the implementation of the RH Bill. They should let it pass because, the country lawmakers knows exactly what they are doing. They are concern of what may happen to the Philippines in the future.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       I would like to add that the Catholic Bishops are one of the contributing factors to the negative impact on our population, poverty and hunger.

      • What, Me worry?

        I second, third, fourth, millionth the motion

      • WAJ

        You are right. They look don’t straight to the problem of the country. Maybe, because wala silang pakinabang kay Pnoy, hindi katulad ni Gloria nagbibigay ng malaking abuloy sa kanila at tinatanggap ng taos puso kahit galing sa nakaw ang pera na kwarta ng bayan…

  • http://twitter.com/ernestonoel1 hopelovefaith

    Mr. Arguelles, the President of the Philippines has no responsibility to support your church stand on the issue.  Catholicism is just one of the many religions in this country.  If anything, the church and the state are separate entity and should not meddle with each other’s affairs.

    Busy yoursef with recruiting members for your denomination.  Not all of us are catholics.  Ang dami na ngang born again, iglesia at kung ano ano pa. 

    Do not claim that your religion is the dominant religion.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

       And not all Catholics agree with the bishop’s stance regarding RH bill.

      Some of us do use our God given talents, like READING and UNDERSTANDING what we read.

      Pass the RH Bill.

      • mrcrabdribble

        Amen.

  • kalaban_mo

    pls pass Irresponsible Catholic Church  Bill. Tax them, make them liable to criminal justice, as many of them act like criminals. Force them to  have many wives and at least 10 children per wife so they may know by experience the reason behind RH Bill. 

  • wawangpenoy

    These bishops are so insecure, they will fight tooth and nail to stop RH bill. In fact, they’re so insecure that to ensure population is rising, sila mismo ang gumagawa. Inaanakan nila ang mga parishioners nila. Yung ibang pari nga napaka ignorante. Akala manganganak ang mga batang lalake kaya inaabuso. HOY! Babae lang ang nanganganak kung di pa nyo alam.

    • Bart

      priests don’t need RH Bill cause boys don’t get pregnant. hehe..

      • Pepe_Tan

        Ahahay!!! Beth Tamayo ko naman yang press release mo na yan bart.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jangwa.nakawala Jangwa Nakawala

         itong beth na to ba ang naankan ng tatlo nung pari?

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         ahahahaha!

  • Branch_Warren

    “Poverty, not population, must be eliminated. The more contented people are in the Philippines, the greater is our nation. Don’t kill people,” he added.

    Stupid suggestion and comment.
    you know that to eliminate poverty, you must control the population so that your resources will be enough for everyone.
    How many people in the population pay taxes ? and how many dont (the poor who needs more assistance from the govt and have more mouth to feed).
    so do the math. less tax payers, less money but more people neeeding this money without doing anything.
    get it bishop?
    also, who said theres gonna be killing? if so, i would suggest to kill all of you first who curtail the progress of this country.

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      so eliminate yourself…

      magpakamatay ka na, kasi ikaw pa ang nakakapa taas ng populasyon…

      • Branch_Warren

        I like your comment. so insightful.
        Damasos unite….

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        so, magpakamatay ka na parehas ni damaso…go girl!

      • mrcrabdribble

        @poltergeist_fuhrer:disqus If you’re going to argue with the comments here, at least make a point or come up with some sense. Yang mga hirit mo eh para lang mang-asar, wala ka namang masabi na matino.

      • poltergeist_fuhrer

        look who is talking…ikaw, ano naman laman ng post mo???wala rin sense…hahaha

      • marionics

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  • Pepe_Tan

    Nasan na ang separation of State and Church. Tsk tsk tsk… Nasa panahon pa din ba tayo ng kastila? Nakikialam pa din kasi ang mga pari eh.

    Pero hindi naman siguro mababawasan ang collection ng simbahan kung sakaling magfamily planning ang mga mag-asawa dba. Mas maganda nga yun eh. Konti lang ang mga anak, so konti lang ang gastos nila at mas maraming maiipon. Baka sakaling mas marami pa ang maging collection nyo nyan dba. May ROI pa din dba mga fathers?

    • poltergeist_fuhrer

      ang babaw ng kaisipan mo tsong….

      sa america na me konting nagsisimba, pero ang mga parokya nila mayayaman…

      • mrcrabdribble

        He @Pepe_Tan:disqus  was being sarcastic or funny.

  • kalaban_mo

    Can we tax the church so they can be legible to speak what  they want. Pano natin paniniwalaan ang mga Church leader nato e hindi naman sila apektado ng RH Bill, unless, may mga lihim silang asawa. Mga lalake sila, at hindi nangangnak. Sino ba dapat magsabi ng maganda o hindi, hindi ba ang mga babae na nakakaranas ng pagbubuntis at pag aalaga sa maraming anak. Kung mga madre pa ang pagwewelga, bibigyan ko pa sila ng benefit of the doubt,  syempre may doubt parin, e bias pa din ang madre.

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      “Can we tax the church so they can be legible to speak what  they want”

      Why not? If they can operate here, then they should pay taxes here. They ARE the richest establishment here in our country, why not share in a way they never control.

      Give unto Caesar….

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UJ6GRNQKVL23RENSH2RJ6UFZ64 Jud

    a backward religion…huh

    • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

      of course.

      that is a reason religion can never control a forward thinking person. they hold what  ‘backward’ mindset to any man, then call it something acceptable like ‘conservative’ or ‘conscientious.’

  • Onyd Subingsubing

    These clowns are giving God a bad name on earth. They distort and corrupt everything She is and stands for – compassion, inclusion, LOVE. Obviously, what matters for the MitsuBISHOPS is their power over others. Please, Catholics, take back your church before these bozos do something worse

  • mousy

    Kung totoo kayong Kristiyano maiintindihan niyo ang pinagpuputok ng butsi ng mga bishops. At sige lang ungkatin niyo ang kawalan ng tax ng religious org, ni singkong duling i doubt naman kung nagbibigay kayo sa simbahan. DUH.

  • Pepe_Tan

    Sa mga pari, wag naan tayong maging Bitter Ocampo sa mga RH bill dahil marami ng mudrakels ang Haggardo Versoza sa panganganak. Marami na ding pamilya ang Purita Soriano. Pagoda Tragedy na ang maraming tao dahil wala silang fudamers. So please lang mga fathers, tama na ang rampage.

    • mrcrabdribble

      LOL! bading ka! haha

      • Pepe_Tan

        Muntik na. Hahahahaha!!! Kaka-Stress Drilon kasi eh.

  • tabingbakod

    Wala nga masyado importansya na binigay si P-noy sa RH-bill sa SONA. Katulad din sya ng karamihang Pilipno – katoliko na gumagamit ng contraception pero hindi hinahayag ang pagkontra sa simbahan sa isyu na ito.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J47R2PJFKFPPV25TLBRVNXIYKY Mel

    We can be religious without the church, no third parties. Nothing compares to a direct relationship with God.

    • marionics

      parang si pacman he he

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WD734H73H4WD755MHPMPA77AVU Anthony

    ang lumalabas dito kaya ayaw ng aming mga obispo at nang simbahan sa RH bill ay dahil mas magiging halata na  napapasunod ang mga mananampalataya na wag maki-ayon sa bill na to. 
    katoliko ako pero sa ganang akin, maliban sa mamuhay ng may paniniwala sa Diyos at mahusay na pakikipag-kapwa tao, wala nang mas kapani-paniwalang kontra paliwanag ang mga aming mga obispo para imungkahi ang ibang paraan para ma solusyunan ang mga problema sa bansa. sa aking mga ginagalang na obispo sana po e pag-ibayuhin na lang ninyo ang mga pangangaral ng mabuting balita para lalong magiging matatag ang pananalig ng mga katoliko para sa aming mga sarili mismo ay maniwala kami na hindi kailangan o karapat-dapat pa ang rh bill. 

  • magsasakasanayon

    idiot Archbishop Ramon Arguelles, why don’t you declare war on priests who are child molesters first?

  • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

    people, if you have time, read this:

    filipinofreethinkers DOT org SLASH 2011 SLASH 05 SLASH 03 SLASH why-the-rh-bill-is-bad-the-real-truth-behind-the-supposed-truth-about-the-rh-bill SLASH

    Replace all ‘ DOT ‘ with a period (.)

    and Replace all ‘ SLASH ‘ with a (/)

    Mind you, its a SATIRICAL piece written by Dustin Celestino, a piece about RH which started a debate between those who can understand satire and those not.  Its quite funny.
     

    • marionics

      those who can understand satire?? baka mangilan ngilan lang tayo diyan chong hahaha buti kung mabilang natin sa daliri ng kamay natin pre he he

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        ahahaha,

        im sure mas marami pa sa dalawang kamay. Siguro hubad mo yung mga sapatos mo at kung kulang pa, hubad mo brief…+1 pa rin yun. ahahahaha

        anyway, have you read that article?

        Yung mga di nakaka gets ng satire, nagalit ba naman, kasi nga they thought it was that serious. 4 thousand replies fought back and forth. If dustin was a troll, he played well.

      • marionics

        i told you so.
        and no, di ko pa nabasa. baka later. i DO work after all hahaha

      • marionics

        i took a quick look na din. well, it’s not as witty as jonathan swift’s “a modest proposal” he he

    • sked482

      That was one good read! Thank you.

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

        most welcome, sir, most welcome.

    • inquirercet

      hahaha, funny article. loved the part about starting a national orgy. ROFL

      • http://www.dafk.net/what/ Kilabot ng mga Balahibo

         I loved the part about the priests, about being the authority on sex.

        Maybe I should quote. 

        “The RH Bill is wrong because the priest said so, and priests are never wrong.

        The biggest reason why we should not pass the RH Bill is because the
        priests told us that we shouldn’t. As anyone should know, priests, men
        of the clergy, should be the authority on sexual and reproductive
        matters because they have the most knowledge and experience with sex and
        reproduction. They are true sexperts – legendary masters of erotic
        affairs. If you are a real Catholic, you would do everything they say,
        because they’re always right.”

        EXCERPT FROM: Why the RH Bill is bad: The Real Truth behind the Supposed Truth about the RH Bill – Posted on 03 May 2011 by Dustin Celestino.; filipinofreethinkers DOT org

  • barako22

    somebody need to sue the catholic churchs to all misdeeds to filipino people

  • GMGUERRERO

    Today anybody can check the World Population Clock on the internet.  At the last count there are more than 7 billion souls on this planet.  At a time when there has been manifest need to curtail runaway population growth, the leaders of the world’s great patriarchal religions continue preaching to their faithful followers to go  forth and multiply.  

    The Catholic Church has waged war not only on abortion but cursed any effective contraception such as the simple condom, which is protective against diseases.  Islamic leaders have also fanatically opposed family planning.  The number of people in the third world will grow by over 900 million or 24.6 percent.  Meanwhile the population of industrialized countries will grow by only 56 million or 5.2 percent.The main cause of poverty, starvation and disease in the PH is overpopulation.  The Catholic Church cannot escape blame.

  • toe13

    warfreak bishops

  • Rosa4Sericia

    Who’s still listening to these people anyway? Until they say something about the abuses that they committed and maybe apologize for it, then, maybe only then that we can start listening to them again. They can’t even admit their mistakes. They needed the poor and ignorant to survive. Those are the only people they can easily manipulate. What is more unchristian than seeing poor people go to church or do business near church premises just to survive and do nothing about it, while they ride in SUV’s, have house helps and drivers, sleeps in airconditioned rooms, eat 5 times a day, wear fancy clothes. What have they done to alleviate poverty? They have been on this country for 400 freaking years and we still have the same poverty issues and all they care about is some reproductive bill? Maybe they should use their pulpits to tell the rich to just give their charities to the poor directly instead of passing them through the church bureaucracy? Instead of building fancy church buildings, maybe they could just contribute to build houses for the poor? Where are they when somebody has been stealing the people’s money for 9 years? Quietly sharing the loot?

  • sherlockholmes78

    STUPIDHEAD bishops!!!… makes me ashamed of calling myself a catholic…

  • mnlmad

    Countries where the Catholic church has strong influence are poor countries. Here in the Philippines,the bishops are so pro-poverty.They want us to remain poor. Why are they so scared of RH Bill? Please pass the RH Bill. Its for the good of the country.

  • jinx

    Sorry bishop but the anti-RH stand is not the voice of the people.  It is the voice of the CBCP and some traditional catholics.  

  • DASREICH1704

    Who cares about the Pajero Bishops anyway

  • marionics

    War, huh, yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Uh-huh
    War, huh, yeah
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Say it again, y’all
    War, huh, good God
    What is it good for
    Absolutely nothing
    Listen to me

  • NoWorryBHappy

    Hmpp. Hindi na rin pinapakinggan at sinusunod ng mga tao ang lahat ng sinasabi
    ng Simbahang Katoliko. Hoy, gising kayo mga pari. Hindi na napapa-uto ang mga
    taong bayan ngayon. Get real.

  • Gerardo Mangubat

    Voice of the people? Bishop, are you really listening to the voice of the people? Baka nabibingi ka lang. Please… really… listen to the people..

    • virgoyap

       Sir Mangubat, the fact is that the Bishops are not listening to the voice of the people, they are listening instead to their own voice, he he he, yes mga bingi pala sila at mga egoistic pa.

  • TotoyBat0

    Yes, majority of Filipinos are Catholic but that does not necessarily mean that the opinion of CBCP and some Bishops is also the opinion of the majority. Sana tigilan na ng Ctaholic church ang paghila sa bansa sa kahirapan wag na sana magpasikat. Dahil sa ginagwang ito ng CBCP di ako magtataka kung maubos ang katoliko sa PIlipinas.

  • kilabot

    baket ba sumasali sa usapin ang cbcp at si noykapon samantalang non-reproductive ang mga ito? unless..

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DFNVO7UFQHDOSF5XXD3UPX6CCY CRIS

    Pwede bang di nalang makialam ang simbahan? It’s stupid church is always protesting the benefits of the people..their roles are to pray for the soul and give guidance  to us but not to DICTATE THE PEOPLE

  • junieva

    tarantadong bishop na yan…gustong dumami ang pinoy para maraming magpabinyag at maraming bebendisyonan kapag may namamatay….sa kanila eh yung kikita sila ng datung at di nila iniisip yung paghihirap ng mga taong isisilang dahil sa hirap ng buhay….dapat wag na silang manakot….ipagdasal nalang nila ang mga pinoy na sana guminhawa ang buhay at di yung pati trabaho ng gobyerno pinapakialaman…sumosobra na kayo….bishop, idilat mo ang mata mo at tumingin ka sa paligid…..yun lang….

  • Pedro Mateo

    The Government can go ahead it’s program for as long it will benefit the majority of the poor people. You can not please everyone or any groups. Reproductive health is for the poor people and it’s a matter of “Choice”. The government did not dictate, the poor can go the RHU at their own will. The people can also refuse the government program. The RC Church can not interfere the government program. 

    PNoy should go ahead with the RH Bill unless the government is afraid of the RC Church. If the RC Church want to help the poor, they had to make their on program, anyway they had plenty of money. .I for one will support the RH Bill, the RC can not intimidate me because I’m the master of my soul. If my RC Church denied me then I will go to other religion or maybe go back to Islam or “Magbabaya” where my ancestor belong. I’m a Mindanaon. . 

  • ethicsingov

    Di ba pwede i-referendum ang RH bill sabay na rin ang divorce and sin tax? How did the bishop know that the majority of people who are Catholics are opposed to RH bill? Did they conduct a survey. Where is the freedom of conscience?

  • Juan_Mapalad

    The Church has the moral obligation to guide its flock regarding this issue but I think it has to be said that they should also accept that the state must provide the rules in which our society must operate in.  The Church forgets that while Catholics/christians represent a vast majority of the populace, the state has an obligation to provide for everyone (including minorities) the right to self determination. 

    The RH bill is not a mandatory law in which Filipinos should obey or follow, it only provides the different options to spouses on how they can live their family life.  While it is the Church’s right to be heard on the issue, I think Pnoy and the rest of our legislators will have to vote for an unpopular bill (just my opinion). 

  • JCBLOOM33

    Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren’t they? They’re all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you’re born, you’re on your own…

    Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fu…ed up!-

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VDMUJ6NKKCLWRMVMJRLJFI633I Rene V

       you hit the issue head on! your comment on this issue is the best.

  • sebastian abao

    had the cbcp not played 3 monkeys during the marcos and gma regimes, maybe, they can fool majority of the people that the rh bill is immoral and a sin. the cbcp and the catholic church should try to rebuild and regain again the trust and confidence of the people. maybe they can start a program even on a small scale that would show that increase in population lessens poverty. still, we can have an rh bill that can be prolife if contending points of view will agree on when does human life starts.

  • mekeni62

    dapat ipakapon ang mga paring ito at nang di na magsabog ng lahi pa. bawal na nga ang mag-asawa ang dami namang may mga anak sa labas. ang hirap kayang kontrolin ang libog!!

  • UrHONOR

    SAMAKATUWID…..entonces….ergo: Ayon sa pag-intindi ng mga “banal” na ama, ang RH bill ay ginawa laban o kontra sa “Church” ng mga naka-sayang puti’t helmet.  “Church” lang NILA….kasi   yong iba namang mga churches ay hindi nagrereklamo.  Tahimik lang sila.  Bakit yong “Church” lang nila ang tinuturing nila na pinagkaka-initan ng RH bill….ang ang pag-sususog nito ay ISANG PANGHIHIMAGSIK laban sa “Church” NILA?  May napapaloob bang “mystery” dito tulad ng mga maraming nangyayaring misterio ng “church” nila?

    WALA..wala na talaga sa panahon ang mga naka-sayang puti’t helmet.  (Di pa kasi mag-suot ng normal na kasuotan at yon pang damit o oniporme na panahon pa ni Damaso ang pinagpipilitang gamitin…..at meron pa kamong helmet na tulad ng mga chefs).  IRRELEVANT na ang karamihan ng values ninyo.  Walang natutulong sa pagpapa-unlad ng kabuhayan ng mahihirap.  Yong mahihirap noon, ganun pa din ngayon, kundi mas masahol….habang ang kaban ng simbahan na tinataguyod nila ay pakapal-ng-pakapal ang mga bank passbooks at gaga-bundok ang kita sa mga financial investments na rumaratsada ng BILYONES.  “Basta’t maqpalad kayong mahihirap. Period.  Hamo na kaming hindi mapapalad. Magtitiis na lang kami sa mga mansions, kotse’t mga biyahe namin.”  Wala ng katuturan ang mga aral nilang paulit-ulit-ulit-ulit na lang araw-araw, taon-taon na pinagbubusang de numero na.  WA EPEK na, ‘ika nga ng mga kabataan.

  • ThePattern

    sa illuminati kayo makipag open war, your old time “nemesis” lol! sa totoo lang no sane human being should listen to these old single men who does not have any idea about raising a family or raising a child, pakialamero talaga!

  • walt723

    If the catholic churches can’t feed hungry mouths and alleviate poverty, just stfu, these priests act as if they are holy and clean and everything despite the grave sins they made. all for what? to get money from contributions and protect their image. man will always be man, if u can’t help solve the nation problems, stfu and see how the others do it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPR2MWOPGWUNZ4COTAMW7MLKE Mark

    mga pips … matagal na itong paggamit ng contraceptives…panahon pa ni marcos. Kinanta na rin ni Heber ang isyu tungkol dtio. May nangyari ba… di ba wala naman, lalo pang dumami ang pilipino ngaun. Mapapagamit mo ba yung lasing na gumamit ng condom eh L na L na kaya ayun kapapanganak lang ni misis buntis na naman wala namang maipalamon

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPR2MWOPGWUNZ4COTAMW7MLKE Mark

      Kanta ni Heber Bartolome … tignan mo ang mga pamilya anak nilay sobra sobra, wala namang maipalamon..

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NIPR2MWOPGWUNZ4COTAMW7MLKE Mark

        kinanta ni Heber nung dekada 70’s. Ibig sabihin matagal ng isyu itong population control. Actually yan yung suggestion ng IMF para sa mga poor countries nuon

    • inquirercet

      the rh bill is not only about distributing contraceptives sir, it will educate the people about managing a family. education + contraceptives = proper population management.

      also, the rh bill will empower filipinas to choose for themselves what form of contraceptive they want to use. so kahit L na L na si mister wala paring pregnancy. hehe…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JZREA6MQEI5H4LFJYRFWIDRGTE benj

      you’re zeroing on the use of condom as contraceptives, where have you been the past decade?! women have plenty of choices with regards to their own contraception.

  • Jay Ann

    This is exactly what St. Matthew’s writing means. A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing.

  • pabulaka

    I wonder how a booming population of poor people living in poverty can drive the economy. They will just be draining the scant resources of the government via CCT. Give the people proper education and training and not freedom to keep on having children who barely reach teenhood because of poverty.

  • Loggnat

    What the Catholic Church fear is that they will be confronted by the truth that majority of its members does not follow blindly everything that the church tells them to do. An overwhelming majority of female Catholic members will opt to have a free choice regarding their reproductive health. With that, the bishops assumes will be beginning of the marginalization of the Catholic Church.

  • bicolokano

    hihih VOICE of the people daw.. eh dito sa comments section – 100% ata eh PRO_RH bill

  • http://www.facebook.com/aguedoflorencejalin Aguedo Florence Jalin

    I AM CALLING ON ALL MY STUDENTS OF GOODWILL. LET US RE-LIVE OUR COMMITMENT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT’S EFFORTS OF PASSING THE RH BILL. LET US TEACH OUR LAWMAKERS (SPONSORs AND CO-SPONSORS) TO CELEBRATE LIFE, AND CELEBRATE IT IN ITS FULLNESS. WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE, WE CAN DO IT AGAIN. ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN YOUR PARISH’S ACTIVITIES AND MOVEMENTS FOR LIFE. SEND THROUGH FACEBOOK AND OTHER SITES YOUR STAND FOR LIFE. WITH GOD’S LOVE, WE WILL TRIUMPH. COORDINATE WITH CBCP FOR LIFE.

    Assoc. Prof. Aguedo Florence Jalin Jr.
    Institute of Religion
    University of Santo Tomas
    agui_d_pogi04@yahoo.com

    • inquirercet

      how do you celebrate life sir? by parading the children in the highway asking for alms? or by pushing uneducated young girls to prostitution? i pity you and whoever will follow you sir. it seems that you did not even read the bill and you want people to follow you. please become more informed by reading other things not related to your religion.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/OI6Y5XGZNPENRRE72OZH344MKM john philip l

        e hindi ba ito nga mismo ang dahilan kung bakit natin kelangan ang RH bill at ang responsible parenthood??? para MABAWASAN ang mga UNWANTED PREGNANCIES, ang bata na hindi kayang itaguyod ng mga magulang nila? I pity *YOU* sir for you contradict yourself. it is you who are misinformed and duped by the RCC

      • inquirercet

        are you confused sir? please read the thread’s full context before posting a reply.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J4GY2YEB4LB44XOKS67O56D56A celso

      Has it not yet sunk in your head that the PH RCC is a total failure at Evangelization? The fact that this debate is happening is proof of that, otherwise thoroughly evangelized filipinos will not waste time and effort to advance or oppose an idea as contentious as RH. Ayan ka naman, in behalf of the CBCP, you want to ” TEACH” the lawmakers as if your side in this debate is the only right argument. That sir is being obtuse, and that to me is again a manifestation of the CBCP’s favorite past time – dipping its fingers in politics.
      I am a Catholic pero, nakakasawa na yan.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JZREA6MQEI5H4LFJYRFWIDRGTE benj

      sir celso & sir inquirercet, i don’t think you should be wasting your time arguing with a person with a tunnel vision and a mind boxed in the four corners of Catholicism. katulad lng din siya ng cbcp na mahilig magpa-pogi. look at those all caps comment and email ad. need i say more? 

      • inquirercet

        hahaha… natawa nga ako sa email add niya. 

    • tamumd

      Hahahahaha..If you have to beg your students here to go along with what your church wants them to do, it is a tell-tale sign they don’t agree with the church’s stance!!! Another evidence..just read the rejoinders here….likely 90% or higher wants the RH bill passed. I just hope that you will not use this advocacy of yours to black mail your students for a better grade. FYI Professor Jalin..typing in all caps is rude and unbecoming specially from someone your stature! lol…. Don’t make yourself a laughingstock here!

  • doublecross

     cbcp naman….take aside you business….mahiya kayo. eto ba evangilization nyo.

  • http://twitter.com/Cutiebunch815 Paul Relan

    CBCP Sucks!!! If we will not do it NOW kailan pa? Pag umabot na tayo ng 500 Million population? Abortion agad agad ang Responsible Parenthood? Mga Bobo! 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_Q5KEVR7UHMEK2PZ7XKJY5EDEFI Benjan

    Mag sitigil kayong mga DAMASO!!!! the voice of the people are longing to have a concrete law to support Responsible Parent Hood and to educate those parent that are not aware of their responsibility to their children. CATHOLIC BISHOPS suckkssssss!!!!

  • browndarwinian

    If religious instruction were not allowed until the child had attained the age of reason, we would be living in a quite different world.

    Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience.

    Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.
    -CH

  • wakats

    The clerics should slow down on their hysterics as if the heavens fell on their bald heads.

    We support the reproductive bill and its intention of slowing the population boom as a major cause of poverty in our poor country.  

    It’s understandable for the church to oppose vigorously the passage of RH Bill since they will lose face to their boasts to the Vatican that the Philippines, being the biggest catholic-dominated country in the world, will never pass the first stage of legislation.

    Even Italy, host to Vatican, and Spain, who spread the faith around the world, have their own reproductive bills and regulate the population growth as one of economic measures.   

  • enti007

    so blinded by “faith”. why make so shallow and opposing arguments against RH bill? and please, please, don’t force whatever you believe in to people. nakapaka old testament ehh. 

  • pj2003

    Bishops, be aware you might be surprise that the open war against the Church you are talking about will be between the Roman Catholic faithfuls and the Catholic Chruch… nagbubulag-bulagan pa rin ba kayo at di ninyo nakikita na pakonti ng pakonti ang nagsisimba? mahina na ba ang daloy ng mga abuloy at gusto ninyong magparami ng magparami ang mga Katoliko.     

  • iping2sison

    We are Catholics but we have to space our children in order to provide them with enough food to nourish their bodies and have good health as well as save money for their education.  Tuition fees in Catholic schools are sky high and we cannot afford them. The good bishop should think of the box and see for himself that most parishioners are adhering to government policies on reproductive health.  The government helps mothers deliver safely and provide support in caring for the infants and the mothers. The good bishops and the clergies are only seen during baptisms, high profile weddings and funerals, for the money. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JZREA6MQEI5H4LFJYRFWIDRGTE benj

    voices of the people ba ka ny’o bishop oliveros? pakibasa nga po ang comments sa article na ito kung may makikita kayong tutol sa reproductive bill liban sa pa-poging associate professor!

  • allandel

    sino ba itong mga bishop na ito? do the people really believe them? i don’t and i’m a catholic.

  • Platypus09

    These priests still have the mentality of early Spanish friars. They want to control everything in the lives of Filipino people. They like to influence all aspects of our lives.

    Personally, whatever the Congress decides, I will go by it.

    It just makes me wonder how Jesus, our role model, fought so hard on things that he did not agree in His temple visit and what was going on around him, perhaps in the Jewish government during His time. He never was.

    And I don’t think Jesus wanted His disciples to fight on things that they did not agree around them when he was preaching.

  • Platypus09

    On another token, the Catholic church has the right to rally against it especially when it comes to matters that affect life and death but we will see what our Senate decides. I am not sure about open war. It sounds hmmm.

    Hopefully, the Senate decision reflects what the majority of the Filiipinos want.

  • MonMayuga

    Doon sa mga taong hindi nakaranas mabuhay sa malaking pamilya, hindi nila nadama ang tunay na hirap kung paano bahagihin ang kaunting pagkain sa maraming bibig, kung paano magsiksikan sa bahay na masikip na lalong lumiliit habang dumarami ang tao sa silid, kung saan kukuha ng baon ng mga anak na nagsisipag-aral at kung saan kukuha ng pambayad sa matrikula tuwing may pagsusulit sa paaralan, kung paano paulit-ulit na magsuot ng damit na nilalabahan sa hapon pagkagaling sa eskwela, tutuyuin sa magdamag at papalantsahin sa umaga upang isuot muli pagpasok sa paaralan. 

  • MonMayuga

    IF THIS SHOULD BE WAR, SO BE IT. 

    GIVE ME A BOLO, A SPEAR, A LANCET, A SLINGSHOT, A PISTOL, A MACHINE GUN, A CANNON, A NUCLEAR MISSILE OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE AND I AM WILLING TO GO TO THE FRONT FOR THE CAUSE OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

      ang simbahan ng katoliko ay nag-umpisa sa giyera, sanay sila diyan. katoliko na yata ang pinakamaraming napatay kumpara sa ibang relihiyon. hanggang ngayon giyera pa rin bukambibig nila. noon pa naman ginigiyera na nila si pnoy, ano ba bago dun.

    • yatot

      Hahahaha!

      Matapang kalang dahil naka kubli ka sa likod ng monitor… Punta ka dito sa amin para malaman mo kung ano ang magagawa ng isang katoliko para protektahan ang simbahan nito.. SAMAR parekoy lugar ko aantayin kita.

      • Ibarra Siapno

        Kampi ako kay MonMayuga!!! My weapon is intellectual reasoning against your IGNORANCE!!! 

      • MonMayuga

        I am sad that you took this too literally. Katoliko rin ako pero hindi medieval ang attitude ko gaya ng paniniwala ng iba. Peace ka lang.

  • http://alasfilipinas.blogspot.com/ Pepe Alas

    Here goes the anti-Catholic comments again. It’s fiesta time for them.

  • http://twitter.com/panggatheart Martin

    Mga OBISPO AT PARI hindi naman kayo ang nagaanak a eh nakikialam kayo kung ano ang gusto ng mga tao, GOD gave us wisdom to to think what is best for us if we will just listen to the dictates of other human like you, then we are not using god given gift.  I am a Catholic but I listen to my heart and mind, If I can not feed a large family why should I take the risk of having one, thats why we are using different methods of contraception.  I dont care what you say as long as I believe in my GOD and kayo na mga HYPOCRITES you dont the the moral ascendancy anymore.  Have you ever noticed the dwindling number of Catholics in the country.  Marami pa rin namang mga Catholics but I think they prefer to stay at home on a Sunday to spend time with their family and pray together instead of attending masses.  They prefer to give straight to charity instead of through the church kasi mas malaki mapupunta sa tiyan ninyo kesa sa recipient o pambili nyo lang ng PAJERO, mamahaling saya at iba pa.

  • panhase

    Bishop Arturo Bastes said Mr. Aquino´s statement was a bad omen for the Catholic Church and undermining it´s moral authority.
    What moral authority?
    The moral authority how to protect child molesters and peadophile priests?
    The moral authority how to accept bribes?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

      wala na credibilidad mga yang mga fish head na yan, bagay lang na suot nila yung miter nila. tsaka di naman nila alam kung pano sumuporta ng pamilya na kahit wala na makain basta meron lang para sa mga anak. pag sobra dami anak ay damay sila sa hirap kaya yung iba sinasamantala ng mga peadophiles. moral authority duh

    • Guest

      The moral authority of the church is to prevent the using and legitimizing of medical professionals such as ” doctors and nurses ” to carry out the order of the state in killing the unborn specially when these professionals have their medical oath to preserve life and not harm their fellowmen.Contraceptives and condoms are not 100% effective, unwanted pregnancy leads to abortion. Next would be euthanasia, these are ways used to decrease the population of a country. Abortion and Euthanasia are  used by irresponsible government as vehicle to enrich them selves materially and boast their ego. A  ” civilize responsible government ” is a government that serves the people and provide for their  basic needs in life and not the opposite promoting immorality and eliminating the next generation. Corruption in government is evil and promote poverty and discontent to the general population. Kaya  dapat lahat ng SALN at bank accounts ng government officials and employees ay dapat suriin at inbestigahan tulad ng ginawa nila kay Corona, ang kaban ng bayan ay nasa mga Bank Accounts ng mga professional TRAPO na politicians na yan, ginagatasan lang nila ang bayan in return binibigyan kayo ng laya na maging mga immoral at irresponsabling mamayan para hindi mahalata ang pag kukurakot nila sa pera ng taong bayan. Mga sakim ito sa kapangyarihan at sa pera, pati pa ang mga innocente na kabataan ay dinadamay  pa nila sa kanilang mga kawalang hiyaan. 

      • tamumd

        Buddy..you’re just the typical uninformed catholic minion who parrots out what the church tells you to say! Show us where in the RH bill provisions that says “” to carry out the order of the state in killing the unborn specially when these professionals have their medical oath to preserve life and not harm their fellowmen.” First of all, Section 3 of the Guiding Principles say “that this act (RH bill) will NOT amend or rescend current existing abortion law”. Meaning abortion will remain illegal in our country! Maybe what you are referring is the provision that safeguard those who want to avail contraceptive services not be denied and would punish those who will prevent them from obtaining those services. Those with strong feeling against these actions due to their religious conviction can opt out…but then have to refer these people to those who could!

        Artificial contraception are designed to prevent conception either by physical means or chemical means. Chemically (hormonally) ovulation does not happen therefore there is no meeting of egg and sperm. Physically as in condom or tubal ligation or vasectomy…the egg and sperm are prevented from meeting! So there are no fetuses that are killed. Only the catholic church is equating contraception to abortion!

      • Guest

        A woman’s reproductive organ is delicate a hormonal imbalance can cause many kind of diseases. Why do congress have to pass a RH bill ? when there is a law on abortion, unless otherwise congress wants to promote promiscuous behavior. There is no such thing as safeguard nor 100% guarantee on condoms and contraceptives devices from STD and HIV/AIDS. 

  • jopal

    To all bishops, priest, all the clergy before i start i would like you to know that im a  roman catholic but  as what di bishop Arguelles said that it is an open war to the CBCP and to all of them you words bishop is very wrong  bakit namin gigirahin ang simbahan ang RH BILL  ay pinagaaralan pa  kung ito ay malaking tulong sa buong bayan  lalong lalo na sa mga mahirap dahil sila ang nasa frontline nito sa tingin ko its alright di naman talaga papatayin ang tao dito eh you just cofuse the taong bayan mahirap ninyong maintindihan ito dahil di kayo mahiral,3 times aday kayo kung kumain imported pa,  aircon ang mga rooms ninyo you dont work to live and to feed someone so pls bishop dont say its a WAR paguusapan pa ito sa senado at sa congress o kung saang lupalop man  and again  DONT CONFUSE THE PEOPLE LALO NA ANG MGA MAHIRAP WHY NOT TRY TO TELL THEM OR EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT IS IT AND HOW DO RELIGION IS AQFFECTED I THINK THAT THE VERY BEST YOU CAN DO…….AMEN

    • yatot

      you are just a roman catholic by baptism, but in action and in words, you don’t appear like one. 

  • GiReyes

    SONA – PNoy thinks Responsible Parenthood Bill is the solution to growing student population?  This only shows what the Bill truly is – a solution to something which isn’t a problem at all. It isn’t bad to have a growing student population; it is good that more people want to study, learn and become more productive.  Why purport to decrease student population….and.. by Responsible Parenthood Bill?  Talagang dapat lang ibasura ang Responsible Parenthood Bill (which isn’t responsible parenting at all), also called Reproductive Health Bill (which is not Health Bill at all).  Huwag naman sana mag-Diyos-diyosan ang mga nasa Kongreso muli.

  • GiReyes

    All true devout Catholics are behind you, Catholic Bishops and priests.  Any one who claims to be Catholic but does not listen to what the Catholic Church hierarchy stands for should better study the Catholic Faith.  One can not be Catholic only in Church;  his way of life should be Catholic all the way.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/R4YOCRZDE5JBDT7UGI54KTZD5M Jpb

    paano di nababawasan mga katoliko e itong mga obispo na ito lahat kinokontra basta may kaugnayan kay pnoy. hindi na tuloy malaman kung ano ang tama at kung ano ang mali. kadalasan lagi mga obispo ang mali, katulad ng pagsuporta nila kay gma kapalit ng pera at mga pajeros. marunong din naman sila tumanaw ng utang na loob kasi pati si corona ay suportado nila hanggang huli. kaya para sa akin kapag kinontra ng mga obispo, ang ibig sabihin ay ikabubuti ng bayan.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4RMIRDHZZ35FWNC6H5H76RTNAI Michelle

    let us just respect the people’s decision and how they understand the genesis and the bible. if you really want to get the people’s voice, I MEAN EVERYONE, educate them about this bill, its advantages and disadvantages and then lets make this bill optional, or just ratify it how people want it, I mean they are the ones affected anyway. mahirap di ba? but that is I guess the way it should be, HARD, anlaki ng tazes natin para bayaran ang mga yan, dapat lang na mahirap trabaho nila, plus, may mga tao naman under nila eh… DUH

  • Ibarra Siapno

    How can a booming population drives the economy if majority of the population are hungry, suffering and uneducated??? STUPID!!!

    population
    1970 – 50,000,000 = Abstinence
    2012 – 94,000,000 = Abstinence pa rin? EFFECTIVE???

    Dear church, you are not a political institution. Back-off! Your method “abstinence” is no longer effective and until now you don’t have a realistic suggestion/solution on the issue of poverty, overpopulation, maternal deaths plaguing the nation. It’s either you put up or shut up. Wag niyong lokohin ang mga tao! You’re just creating more ignorant people which results to a stagnant nation… FYI, Christianity is not a legacy of Spain… Look where we are now….  

    The bible will realistically NOT save this nation.  People!!! THINK!!!! HAVE SOME THOUGHT PROCESSING!!!  

    • yatot

      Sige nga mag bukas ka nga ng MALL sa kabundukan?

      Tao = economy! bopols

      • Ibarra Siapno

        poor and uneducated TAO = great economy? BOBO!!!!!

        mag aral ka ng figures! i don’t find your argument intellectual!!!

        BOBO!!!

      • inquirercet

        tao = economy… HAHAHA…. thank you for making me laugh sir. HAHAHA… honestly, salamat po pinasaya niyo ako.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFKD3CN7DSTMVC4FQGN6TY6N74 Karazu

        salita ka ng salita magisip isip ka muna tanga!!!!

        tao= economy??
        lets look at africa!!!

    • julymorning

      BAKIT MO BA PINAGDIDIKATSEHAN ANG MGA PARI AT OBISPO AT BIBLIYA O MGA KATOLIKO? AYAW LANG NAMAN NILA NA KUMITIL NG INOSENTENG BUHAY ANG MGA TAO, KAGAYA NG ABORTION O INDIRECT ABORTION SA PAMAMAGITAN NG MGA PILLS NA PINAMUMUDOD NG GOBIERNO. KOREK KA NA MADAMI NGANG MAHIHIRAP PERO MALI KA KUNG SISISIHIN MO NA ANG DIREACT CAUSE NG KAHIRAPAN AY DAHIL SA PAGLOBO NG POPULATION. ANG DIRECT CAUSE NG KAHIRAPAN SA PINAS AY DAHIL SA MGA MAGNANAKAW AT DISHONEST LEADERS AT MGA PULITIKO. DI NAMAN NAGAYON MASAYADO NAGHIHIRAP ANG PINAS, NAGYABANG NGA SI PRESIDENT ABNOY NA NAGPAPAUTANG PA NG BILYONES ANG PINAS E. KUNG UUNAHIN NI ABNOY AT ANG MGA MAGNANAKAW NA PULIYTIKO ANG PAGBIGAY NG HANAPBUHAY SA MGA TAO, BAKA NAMAN UMUNLAD NA ANG PINAS KAHIT PAPANO

  • GiReyes

    Artificial contraception is against God’s will and plan.  Our Philippine Constitution, recognizes our need to be aided by God in order to establish a just and humane society.  It is not right, therefore, for us to legalize (make into a law), the Reproductive Health Bill or Responsible Parenthood Bill because it promotes artificial contraception.

    • Ibarra Siapno

      Im sorry.  You’re argument is not beneficial to the country.  So, what does the church have to offer in order to combat maternal deaths, problems on budget versus booming population… meron ba? Wala! Until now you guys still insisting that church should be followed  

      I’ve seen poor families comprising 5 to 20 malnourished kids… 40 million are now on poverty line and going hungry everyday and committing crimes in order to survive in a day.  

      TELL ME! ANO SOLUTION NYO!!! IF YOU HAVE, LET ME KNOW.. I MIGHT CONSIDER YOUR ALTERNATIVE.

      But kindly remind your church again…. The church is NOT  a political institution… The government is NOT a religious institution… RESPECT the boundaries

      • yatot

        Tell it to China! They don’t respect the boundaries!

        Who composes the government? Mga tao. 
        Sino ang mga taga sunod ng simbahan? Mga tao.
        Common sa dalawa = mga tao!

        Unahin mong tingnan utak mo. Lampas kana sa boundary! 

      • Ibarra Siapno

        TANGA!

        what comprises the philippines 50 million plus na naghihirap ng TAO!!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFKD3CN7DSTMVC4FQGN6TY6N74 Karazu

        Talino…..  gandang analogy yan ah

        imba talaga talino mo

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DOXNOG3RFZEC57BLDGVAX7WTDU Lito

        excuse me? as if you’re saying that the church has done nothing in this country.bulag ka ba o nagbubulagbulagan ka lang. parang mas marami pa nga ang mga charitable organizations ang catholic church and its affiliated groups than the government has. magbilang la nga kung ilang catholic orpahanges meron sa lugar nyo and compare it o the government. magresearch ka. you read aso the proposed bill. its the government that will be stpping over the boundary by imposing things against oir catholic belief!

      • Ibarra Siapno

        excuse me ka din! dami ngang charitable institutions. but were they accessible to all the people??? baka manila lang yan.. we’re talking about north to south here eh baka Manila lang tinutukoy mo.. you make your research and i dont find your argument intellectual

        wag makialam ang simbahan! this is not a secularism anymore! 

    • panhase

      It is against God´s will and plan?
      How do you know that?
      Did he come to your house and is discussing with you his plans?
      Or do u just asume it´s his plan because priests and bishops are saying that?
      But bishops and priests are just men, like all the other men on earth.
      They have no more a direct line to God than everybody of us.
      Look at all the scandals and you will see they are just men, sometimes even criminal men.

      • tamumd

        Hehehehehe..right on buddy! lol Go get those clueless, religious fanatics!!!

  • GiReyes

    Artificial contraception isn’t the answer to a growing population.  One solution is to educate the people on “continence” (self-restraint) instead of using the fund to promote and buy contraceptives/sterilization.  We have been endowed with a will to do what is right; by exercising it makes us truly human, unlike animals driven purely by instinct.

    • Ibarra Siapno

      Continence is so ideal. Put yourself in realistic situation.  Human are physiologic beings and sexual beings to be specific and will engage to sexual activities.   You cannot control physiologic functions of a human being.  You have so many members but it seems many are not conforming to the “continence.”   Please, the data is out there! Immerse yourself in the reality of our nation.

      Government is doing their best to provide quality of life.  Can’t you understand that?

      • julymorning

         QUALITY LIFE MY FOOT! ANONG GOVT ANG NAGBIBIGAY NG QUALITY LIFE SA MGA MAHIHIRAP? ARE IN DREAMLAND? YUNG GOVERMENT MO AT MGA PULITIKO, 99 PERCENT MAGNANAKAW. SI PRES. ABNOY, DI NAG MAGNANAKAW PERO DI DIN NAGBIBIGAY SA MGA MAHIHIRAP. TINGNAN MO NANGYAYARI SA KANIOLANG HACIENDA, AYAW MANLANG BIGYAN NG KAHIT KONTING SAKAHIN ANG MGA MAHIHIRAP. SEGURO NGA DI MAKATIIS ANG PINOY NA MAGPARAOS AT MAGPARAMI, PERO HINDI RH BILL ANG SOLUSYON DYAN KASI HINDI NAMAN PROBLEMA ANG MADAMING ANAK O POPULASYON KUNG IPINAMAMAHAGI NG MAG MAGNANAKAW NA PULITIKO ANG KABAN NG BAYAN

      • juan_liwanag

        Ang ibig mo bang sabihin ay kailangan na lang maghintay ng abuloy mula sa gobyerno ang mga mahirap kagaya ng paghihintay ng mga pari at obispo mula mismo sa mga mahihirap? Galit na galit ka sa gobyerno at kay Noynoy eh bakit hindi mo nakikita ang yaman ng simbahan mo na hindi nagbibigay ng buwis pero ang galing sumawsaw sa pulitika?

      • julymorning

        HINDI KO SINABING MAGHINGI NG ABULOY ANG MGA MAHIHIRAP SA GOBIERNO. ANG SINASABI KO, OBLIGASYON NG GOBIERNO ANG MAGBIGAY NG TRABAHO AT PAUNLARIN EKONOMIYA DITO. OBLIGASYON NG GOBIERNO AT NIO ABNOY NA GAWAN NG PARAAN NA BUMBA PRESYO MGA BILIHIN , GASOLINA, TUBIG AT KURYENTE, AT ITAAS SWELDO NG MGA EMPLEYADO. ANG SINASABI KO AY WAG IBULSA NG MGA PULITIKO ANG MGA NAKALAAN PARA MGA PROYEKTO GAYA NG INFRASTURA AT PONDO NG BAYAN NA GALING NAMAN SA BUWIS NG TAO.
        AT BAKIT MO NAMAN SINABING DAPAT MAGBUWIS ANG SIMBAHAN SA GOBIERNO? BAKIT? BINIBIGYAN BA NG SWELDO O PORK BARREL ANG MGA OBISPO AT PARI NG GOBIERNO KAGAYA NG MGA PULITIKO? AT ANONG BUWIS TINUTUKOY MO? PARA SA INPORMASYON MO, NAGBABAYAD ANG MGA PARI NG BUWIS KAGAYA NG ORDINARYONG MAMAMYAN KUNG SILAY BUMIBILI NG MGA BAGAYBAGAY. BINBAYARAN DIN ANG KANILANG MGA BUILDING DAHIL SUMISINGIL BIR NG PROPERTY TAX. AT ANG ABULOY NA SINASABI MO, HINDI PINIPILIT NG SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO NA MAGBIGAY ANG MGA TAO NA NAGSISIMBA KADA LINGO NG MGA KAPOIRANGOT NA BARYA. DI KATULAD NG IBANG RELIHIYON, GAYA NG IGLESIA NI KRISTO NA OBLIGASYON NG MGA MIEMBRO NA MAGBIGAY NG 10% NA KANILANG SWELDO. YUNG BAYAD SA MISA SA KASAL O BINYAG AY OBLIGASYON NG MGA NAGNANAIS MAGPAKASAL DAHIL DUN KUMUKUHA NG PANG MAINTENANCE NG SIMBAHAN, KASI NGA WALA NAMANG PONDO NA PUEDI IBIGAY ANG GOBIERNO. AT KUNG WALANG PAMBAYAD ANG MGA MAGPAPAKASAL O MAGPABINYAG O LIBING, HINDI DIN PIPILITIN NG SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO NA SINGILIN SILA.

        AT HINDI NAKIKISAWSAW SA PULITIKA ANG KATOLIKONG SIMBAHAN. OBLIGASYON NG MGA PARI AT OBISPO ANG IPAMAHAGI ANG SALITA AT MENSAHE NG BANAL NA KASULATAN SA LAHAT NG NASASAKUPAN NILA. HINDI MO PUEDI IHIWALAY ANG MENSAHE NG SIMBAHAN SA MGA NASA GOBIERNO KASI SILA AY NASASAKLAW DIN SA MISYON NG SIMBAHAN. AT HALOS KALAHATAN DIN NAMAN NG MGA PULITIKO AY KATOLIKO, KASAMA NA SI ABNOY

      • http://twitter.com/panggatheart Martin

         Hindi lahat ng Pilipiono ay katoliko kaya walang karapatan ang mga OBISPO na iyan na makialam sa gusto nila at karamihan din ng mga katoliko ngayon gumagamit din ng ibat-ibang form of contraception.  Open your eyes.

      • julymorning

        GINAGAWA LANG NG SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO ANG OBLIGASYON NILA KAYA WALA KA DING KARAPATANG PIGILAN SILA. ALAM DIN NILA NA HINDI LAHAT DITO SA PILIPINAS AY KATOLIKO AT HINDI LAHAT NG KATOLIKO AY SUMUSUNOD SA SIMBAHAN. HINDI NAMAN NILA PINIPILIT ANG AYAW MAKINIG AT MANIWALA SA KANILA. PERO HINDI TITIGIL ANG SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO SA PAGPAPAHAYAG NG SALITA NG DYOS KAHIT WALA NG INTRESADO MAKINIG AT KAHIT SILA MISMO AY MAY MGA PAGKUKULANG DIN. SA BANSANG KUMUNISTA NGA, NAGPAPAHAYAG NG TURO NG DYOS ANG SIMBAHAN KAHIT PARUSHAN SILA NG MGA NAMUMUNO SA ESTADO, DITO PA KAYA SA PILIPINAS NA DEMOKRASYA TAYO. WALA NAMANG PERSONALAN YAN, TRABAHO LANG, O BOKASYON NG MGA TOTOONG NAGPAPASTOL SA KAWAN NG DYOS. HINDI DIN NAMAN NAGREREKLAMO ANG SIMBAHAN KUNG MAY BINBATIKOS SA KANILANG MGA MYEMBRO.

    • inquirercet

      wait. that’s it!!! after all these years yan lang pala ang solution. lets all celebrate kasi nasolve na ni reyes ang problema natin sa population!! woohoo!!

    • juan_liwanag

      Hindi nga ma-practice ng mga pari at bishops yang sinasabi mo sa ordinaryong tao mo pa inasahan? Sa mga nagkaanak na pari at obispo mo kaya ipangaral yang sinasabi mo at baka sakaling mabawasan ang problema natin?

  • yatot

    Yong mga PRO RH, gustong gusto nyo ng TOTNAK pero hindi nyo kayang panindigan ang posibleng resulta nito kaya gagamitan nyo ng contraceptives..

    Wala kayo sa hulog mga maniac!

    • Ibarra Siapno

      Ignorant person you are.  You don’t have any comprehensive understanding of the bill so shut up..

      If you have 20 kids with a daily family budget less than P100..  can you actually provide quality of life????? 

      MAG ISIP KA NAMAN!

    • mekeni62

      unless gusto mong maging celibate brod.

    • inquirercet

      sino ba ayaw ng totnak, taas kamay… hahaha… anyway, ano po ba ang ayaw niyo sa contraceptives? kapag gumamit ba ang kapitbahay mo ng contraceptives sasabog ulo mo? ewan ko sayo pero ako inde ako apektado basta itapon nila ng mabuti ang condom na gamit.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K5QZWKHYRCEFKBKJRJ23AVJQVE Mel

      Your comment justify’s my belief that those not supporting the RH does not have a good understanding of what the bill is all about.  

      RTFB! (Read the F*&%#ng Bill) baka sakaling maintindihan mo kun para saan ito. Ung nasa pagitan ng 2 tenga mo, minsan kelangan din gamitin. . . Kita mo ung sa iyo di na ata gumagana ng maayos. 

  • woodside333

    The Philippines has been BLESS with his milliions of people! Yes is a BLESSING,look at Europe, is a dying continent, most of his people r old and can NOT substain with an anging population.

    • Ibarra Siapno

      Yes we’re blessed with many people… but 40 million people are hungry everyday… maternal deaths everyday… poverty related crimes… inaccessibility education… 

      so it’s a blessing… it’s not a dying country, but it’s a struggling nation

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HAPQVQNMOOCNHB54ONDGD2KSRE esther

    ANG SIMBAHAN AY MAY PERA PARA SUPORTAHAN ANG MGA ANAK NG MGA PARI. PAPAYAG BA ANG MGA BISHOP NA BIGYAN NG PERA ANG MGA MAHIHIRAP NA NAGKAANAK NA WALANG PERANG PANG SUPORTA SA KANILANG MGA ANAK? PURO NA LANG KAYO DAKDAK. IBIGAY NINYO NA YUNG PERA NIYO SA MAHIHIRAP KAYSA IPADALA NIYO ANG PERA NIYO SA ROMA.

  • woodside333

    ‘but 40 million people are hungry everyday’

    That’s NOT true, they have something to eat. The Philippnes is a RICH country, but the corruption of the government don’t allowed to be destributed to the poorest of the poor.

    If we add that the first world  countries keep the Phillippines in a state of dependency.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/XSNQ2JVOXOPE5EQANCEY33ZVWM skalain

    The notion that passing the RH bill promotes promiscuity among the youth is downright stupid. The practice of continence is very idealistic to say the least. How can you promote abstinence when we are bombarded by sex everywhere you look?

    Some people think that it is their god-given right to populate the planet. I’m sick of people justifying everything with religion.

    The RH bill does NOT encourage us to kill babies.

    “Moral authority.” What a joke. Sa inyo na yang relihiyon niyo.

  • xpp1412

    ang double standard naman ni bishop oliveros. sigh, very typical of a catholic church leader. 

  • xpp1412

    ang double standard naman ni bishop oliveros. sigh, very typical of a catholic church leader. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AYITA5V33GYZSLC3G37UCVNTKA Ben

    this is an open war for the likes of you…bishop for having closed minded reasoning. GOD understand each and everyone of us through his infinite understanding, unlike your puny understanding of what is right and what is wrong….this is an open war for hypocricy, after all bishop you are also a flesh, wanting to feel the urge of the flesh, this is not the war against the Church but the likes of you.

  • pening

    Gusto ng mga bishops ang malaking population dahil ito ang nagpapakain sa kanila. Tulad sila ng mga linta na nabubuhay sa dugo ng mga mahihirap. Ang mga bishops ay nakatira sa palasyo compare sa mga mahihirap na matutulungan ng RH bill. Stop believing with these bishops.

    • joshua kings

      dito lang sa pilipinas sila ganyan, kabayan; sa ibang bansa, ang babait ng mga pari at sila ay tunay na servants ng mga parisyano….wala silang hangin anupaman…na madaling lapitan at kausapin.  dito sa pinas, maghihintay ka ng siyam-siyam bago mo makausap ang obispo; titingnan muna kung may abuloy ka at kung ito ay malaki. 
      kaya pagmasdan mo, pag mayaman sa bayan ang nag-imbita, mabilis pa sa alaskuwatro silang kumakaripas patungo sa palasyo ng mayamang-kawatan.
      ewan ko ba; talaga yatang nakakalasing ang konting kapangyarihan na di naman nila pinaghirapan dahil ito ay bigay ng Diyos sa kanila para manilbihan at hindi para pagsilbihan.
      nakakalungkot nga at marami pang utak padre damaso at prayle sa ating mga obispo ngayon.
      hinid naman lahat ay ganito; kokonti lang sila; marami pa ring mababait at mabubuti na obispo na tahimik lang at ni hindi samasawsaw sa pulitika.  sila yung mga tunay na pastol ng mga tupang katoliko.

  • ryan andres

    People with open minds have declared war on you boy lover bishops for the longest time. Itigil nyo na ang panlalason sa utak ng mamamayang pilipino! lalo ka na arguelles, ‘namo ka, di lang binigay yung SUV na hiningi mo eh nagpupuputak ka na dyan…bading!

    Ano nga uli yung hinihingi mo, Hummer ba? Kaya siguro di binigay. Kung Tamaraw FX hiningi mo naibigay pa siguro yun.

  • joshua kings

    this bishop who is openly very friendly and supportive of gloria and cohorts misunderstands what Pnoy said in his SONA. 

    let caesar do his thing as governor and Pnoy will let them do silly things undisturbed like accepting SUVs to silence them from being critical of gloria.

    let Pnoy and all proponents of RH bill be held accountable by their Creator. 

    wag ng paglabanin pa ang simbahan at ang gobyerno ni Pnoy; kasi kayong mga kokonting bishop, di naman kayo ang simbahan….alagad lang kayo ng simbahan na dapat ay nagsisilbi sa spiritwal na pangangailangan ng inyong mga parishioners.

    problema sa inyong mga bishop, masyado na kayong nakikialam sa gobyerno at napapabayaan na ninyo ang inyon tungkulin bilang pastol para pangalagaan ang mga kaluluwa ng mga katoliko.

  • aristeosj

    Please do not advocate for war,or war of any kind.war is messy.let us keep peace in our country and be not like some countries in the Middle east.May we not have war in our midst in the name of religion.May we not have another Inquisition.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HLH7H73OZNDPNXIZGJTQJ7K4LA Filcanpam

    “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
    New International Version (©1984)”Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean.

  • pening

    Matagal rin akong wala sa Pinas pero sa unang araw ko sa aming barangay sa Ilocos noong 2007 ay nabigla ako sa dami ng mga bata na papunta sa school gayung ang schoolay wala pang bagong building to accommodte them. Parang langgam kaya dapat talaga ang RH bill ang kailangan. Ang mahirapsa mga bishop daldal ng daldal di naman nila alam ang magbuhay ng mga anak. At least sila nakatira sa bishop palace at sila ay may katulong, pinapakain sila ng abuloy ng bayan pero ang pobreng magulang kayod dito kayod doon para sa mga anak na dapat napigil kung may RH bill. Bishop stop meddling in govt. policy.

    • GiReyes

      Ang mga Bishops ba ang nagdesisyon at nagpakasarap sa pagtatalik para mabuo ang mga batang sinasabi mo na sana ay napigilang isilang?  Hindi ba’t dapat ang tanungin mo ay ang mga nanay at tatay na nagpakasarap na hindi man inisip kung may sapat silang ikabubuhay?  Kung naisip man nila na wala silang ikabubuhay, at nagpakasarap pa rin sila, kahit na alam naman nilang maaaring magbunga ng bata ang gagawin nila, hindi ba’t sila ang dapat mong tinatanong?  Hindi ba’t sila ang dapat nating pagsumikapang paliwanagan na dapat magpigil?  Sa pagpipigil, tama ba na ang karapatan at ang buhay ng musmos na bata na nasa sinapupunan ay iyong kikitlin dahil siya ang mas walang kapangyarihan?  Tanungin mo ang sarili mo at dinggin mo ang kaunting natitira pang liwanag sa konsiyensya mo. Ito ang dahilan kung bakit ang nais ng mga Bishops ay Natural Family Planning lamang, ang natural na pagpipigil, pag-iwas lamang ng ama at ina sa pagtatalik sa konting araw na “fertile” ang ina. Tutol sila sa paggamit ng Artificial Contraceptives at lalo na sa permanenteng sterilization na gustong ipagamit ng RH Bill o Responsible Parenthood Bill dahil walang idudulot na mabuti ang mga ito sa mga Filipinos kundi sakit, pagkasira ng kakayahan, kamatayan at pagkawalan ng pagpipigil sa sarili, na higit na kinakailangan kung ang tao ay tunay na magpapakatao.

      • http://twitter.com/panggatheart Martin

         Ikaw Gi Reyes kaya mo bang magpigil ng 3 weeks unless wala kang partner in life.  Kaya bang diktahan ng simbahan kung kailan magsesex ang magasawa.  Also that is the essence of RH Bill it will provide education most especially to the poor who never had the chance to finish school.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YLWG4YNG33L4XV575V25SSZA64 kamandag

        kawawa ka naman GiReyes. Mukhang nagiisa ka sa argument mo !

      • GiReyes

        Hindi mo ba naiintindihan ang mga nilagay ng iba na ayaw rin sa Responsible Parenthood  / RH Bill?  Intindihin mo ang mga rason namin kumpara sa mga name-calling nyong mga nagtatanggol na maipasa ang RH Bill.  Sa debate, when you resort to name-calling, it means you have ran out of good arguments.  Ganoon lang yun.

      • GiReyes

        Hindi mo ba naintindihan ang mga nakalagay na rason NAMIN na ayaw sa Responsible Parenthood Bll aka RH Bill aka Planned Parenthood Bill? Ikumpara mo sa mga name-calling nyong mga gusto magsabatas ng RH bill. Sa debate, when you resort to name-calling, it means you have already ran out of good arguments.

  • green_archer09

    Is this the same Arguelles who, when De La Salle Lipa initially refused to have the Lipa clergy use the university’s gym, threatened to close down the university?  Is this the same Arguelles who frowns upon religious congregations opening up schools in his archdiocese (because funds will be diverted to the religious congregation)?  This is the kind of bishop you have in Lipa: one who simply wishes to hear Amen and Hossanahs from the people.  One who does not listen and accept dissent. 

  • pening

    Isa o dalawang anak nagbibigay ng ligaya, sobrang anak pahirap. Ito ang dapat na slogan ng mga Pilipino. Kung di mo kayang pakainin ang sarili bakit kailangan mopa ng anak. Di nakukuha sa dasal ang pagkain, trabaho ang kailangan. Ikalat ninyo ang ganitong kaisipan.

    • GiReyes

      Sige huwag kang magdasal at huwag mong kilalanin si Jesukristong tunay na Diyos na nagbibigay sa tao ng lahat ng grasya at lumikha sa lahat ng tao.  Tignan ko kung di mo kainin ang sarili mong salita pagdating ng dagok ng hustisya sa iyo.  Si Satanas mismo na bumubulag sa iyo ngayon ang hahabol at maniningil ng mga akala mo nakuha mo dahil sa sarili mong pagsusumikap lamang. MANGILABOT KA AT PAGSISIHAN MO ANG SINASABI MONG HINDI NAKUKUHA SA DASAL ANG PAGKAIN. Wala kang utang na loob sa Diyos na lumikha sa iyo.  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFKD3CN7DSTMVC4FQGN6TY6N74 Karazu

        Gi Reyes sa tingin mo may nagawa ba ang dasal ng mga mahihirap bat hanggang ngayon parin mahirap pa din sila??may satanas ka pa nalalaman alam natin si satanas ay gawa gawa lng ng mga katoliko para maging sunod sunuran sa kanila sa tanda mong yan naniniwala ka pa sa langit at impyerno!!!!

      • http://twitter.com/panggatheart Martin

         Tama ka krazu, Hindi bat ang vatican — the seat of Catholicism na rin ang nagsabi na walang impiyerno.  Ito ay gawa gawa lnag ng mga sinaunang pari para panakot sa mga ayaw maniwala sa kanila

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WIWYLFLU4LPKS7B2ZLLRVFKS3Y vir_a

    Noynoy now has the tall order to prove that the Filipinos are his boss, not the church.

  • diamond_digger

    Over the years, the priests and bishops in the Philippines have grown accustomed to getting everything they wished for and this has been explicitly shown to the public during the term of GMA that even for a priest’s birthday gift, the filipino people has to chip in. Aquino declaring war? It seems that this bishop is ill-advised or just frothing in the mouth. He should have realized that it is illogical and unthinkable for the whole to declare war against its part. I mean, the government of the filipino people is the government for everyone, catholics or not, believers and atheists alike. Catholics, though a majority of the population doesn’t constitute the nation. The funniest thing is that it is only in the Philippines that the catholic church thinks they are the government. This bishop may not have been to Rome where the seat of Catholicism is and where family planning is  endorsed and funded by the government. Another funny thing, although it makes me puke is that these priests and bishops do not want family planning to be practiced here in the Philippines because, accordingly it promotes promiscuity in sex, but everywhere priests and bishops are starring is sex-scandals. To me, it seems that these priests and bishops want to bake their cakes and eat it, too. Onli in da pilipins! 

  • juan Peron

    A  man of peace who preaches  love  to fellow man  declaring war? you  nuts? tsk tsk

  • juan Peron

    A  man  of  peace steward of spiritual  well being of the  people declaring war? where  am I ?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HGC2U2QUAREAK42HNUTSNQGBVI SolitaJ

    It’s actually the bishops and priests who have been declaring war against the Filipino people for opposing the Reproductive Health Bill, even to the point of spreading misinformation! There are 10 Elements of RH, and Family Planning is just one of which. Research also has shown that more women have resorted to abortion due to unwanted pregnancies, which is a result of lack of family planning! If RH services are not legally accessible, there will be more risks that people will do it their own way, which may prove to be unsafe and unregulated. Family Planning is not abortion. Contraceptives (as the word itself indicates) prevent pregnancies (prevent ovulation, implantation), hence, how could it abort when there’s no pregnancy in the first place? The Bill also doesn’t prohibit or limit the no. of children. It just provides for access to comprehensive RH information, education and attendant services to ensure that the RH needs of the people are met. Please read the amended version of the RH BILL before you condemn it! I think the Catholic hierarchy is just afraid that if the Bill is approved more people will be educated and there will be lesser children born, there will be lesser collection on baptismal fees, lesser people who would drop donations to the church! Offhand, that’s the obvious impact the Bill would create on church income. But that may not be happening. Because even with relatively fewer people but with higher education and higher income-earning capacity, that would eventually translate to bigger capacity to donate to the church! We don’t have to be afraid of becoming like some European countries whose graying population is surpassing the young generation. We Filipinos, I think, would really love to have children, but we only need to plan how many we can afford to raise and care for. It’s not only the household’s economy that is affected. The country’s as well. More budget needed to build schools, buy books and teaching aids, hire teachers, more budget for basic services, etc. And if there will be more people unemployed just imagine the negative spiral it creates on the whole country! So, Dear Bishop, think about all this. Morality goes down to human realities, even Jesus Himself hasn’t dissociated His definition of MORALITY from the conditions of the people during His time!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YLWG4YNG33L4XV575V25SSZA64 kamandag

      With the RH Bill there would be less dumping of fetus and unwanted dead children on the mountain of garbage!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LM2SPIWUAR2U6G3CJX7NVT7ETY ANDRES

    Sa sobrang prolife po ninyo kaya kahit mga Pari eh gumagawa na rin ng anak. At sigurado ang mag Pari na ‘yon ay nagsisisi kung bakit wala pang RH bill, sanay naging legal ang pag-gamit nila ng condom o anuman. Kaya cgurado, hindi sila sasama sa sinasabi n’yong WAR.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFKD3CN7DSTMVC4FQGN6TY6N74 Karazu

      mali ka.. anung prolife.. proAnal

  • TeabagDeluxe

    “Malolos Bishop Jose Oliveros urged President Aquino to listen to the voice of the people, whom he noted are majority Catholic.”

    And he is listening. According to polls, majority of Filipinos want the RH bill. Only the noisy, anti-RH minority are the ones getting all the media attention. Of course, playing the victim card to garner sympathy is an old trick used by these priests.

    “In contrast, the prelate said, the country’s booming population would drive its economy.”

    LOL. A priest talking about economy like he’s an effin’ analyst. Sure, more people = higher GDP, but that also mean lower GDP per capita. Example: if a hundred people equally share P1M, they each get P10,000. If a thousand people share that P1M, they each get P1,000. Same amount of money, lower amount per person.

    In other words, poor people will remain poor.

    • juan_liwanag

      Actually, the higher population is good for church economics = more babies to baptize and confirm, more couples to wed, and even if they die – more masses to deliver. Therefore, they will always have more collections. If the Catholic church is really against poverty, then why does it not use its vast private properties to educate and help the poor? Why is it that their educational institutions charge the highest tuition and other fees? Why does it have huge investment in San Miguel Corporation when it was yet known as a beer company? Why did many bishops receive money from PAGCOR and Gloria Macapagal – Arroyo? Why???????

  • GiReyes

    Ang mga Catholic Bishops ba ang nagdesisyon at nagpakasarap sa pagtatalik para
    mabuo ang mga batang sinasabi nyo na sana ay napigilang isilang?  Hindi
    ba’t dapat ang tanungin ninyo ay ang mga nanay at tatay na nagpakasarap na
    hindi man inisip kung may sapat silang ikabubuhay?  Kung naisip man nila
    na wala silang ikabubuhay, at nagpakasarap pa rin sila, kahit na alam
    naman nilang maaaring magbunga ng bata ang gagawin nila, hindi ba’t sila
    ang dapat ninyong tinatanong?  Hindi ba’t sila ang dapat nating
    pagsumikapang paliwanagan na dapat magpigil?

    Sa pagpipigil, tama ba na
    ang karapatan at ang buhay ng musmos na bata na nasa sinapupunan ay
    iyong kikitlin dahil siya ang mas walang kapangyarihan? 

    Tanungin ninyo ang
    sarili ninyo, na bumabatikos sa mga Bishops ng Simbahang Katoliko, at dinggin ninyo ang natitira pang liwanag sa
    konsiyensya ninyo. Ito ang dahilan kung bakit ang nais ng mga Bishops ay
    Natural Family Planning lamang, ang natural na pagpipigil, pag-iwas
    lamang ng ama at ina sa pagtatalik sa konting araw na “fertile” ang ina; ito ay hindi labag sa plano ng Diyos sa tao.
    Tutol ang Simbahang Katoliko sa paggamit ng Artificial Contraceptives at lalo na sa
    permanenteng sterilization na isinusulong ipagamit ng RH Bill o Responsible
    Parenthood Bill dahil walang idudulot na mabuti ang mga ito sa mga
    Filipinos kundi sakit, pagkasira ng kakayahan, kamatayan at pagkawalan
    ng pagpipigil sa sarili, na higit na kinakailangan kung ang tao ay tunay
    na magpapakatao.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFKD3CN7DSTMVC4FQGN6TY6N74 Karazu

      ang katoliko mismo ang kampon ng satanas wag nyo baliktarin tignan mo ginagawa sa iyo ng pagiging katoliko… nawawala ang utak mo!!!

      • IanAlera

        Replying to Karazu

        HINAY HINAY SA SALITA MO KABAYAN…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TDE5NBDKWKSYXMS6Z3VFQQZIZE mangdo

       Dre..with due respect..sasabihin ko lang sa inyo , sino ang gagawa ng polisiya sa bansa..mabuti ang mga Bishop at wala silang katalik, ang preventive conception ba ay abortion?? we prevent the egg and sperm cell to meet to prevent the formation of zygote.. is that abortion??? kaya nga madami ang paraan para mangyari na hindi magpang abot ang egg at sperm and not nessesarily to abort the baby,,,I don’t think it is abortion…mabuti ang mga pari at obispo wala silang katalik,,,pero kaming mga common tao…hindi mapigilan talaga ang panggigil lalo na kung nag ovulate ang babae…kaya para maiwasan ang pag meet sa egg at sperm cell…maggamit ng pills, comdom, at iba pa…kailan ba magkasala ang mga magulang katulad ko…pagmadami na ang aming anak…komo wala nang maipakain at 10 ang aming anak, nandoon yong iba nagnakaw, nag prosti,,nagdroga..namamalimos, at kung ano ano pa ang gawain na bawal sa itinuro ni Kristong Hesus…kung 2 o kaya 3, lang sana ang anak namin sa tulong ng RH bill na ito hindi sana makaganito ang aking familia…isipin nyo sana…

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YLWG4YNG33L4XV575V25SSZA64 kamandag

      bakit hindi mo tanungin ang mga pare at obispo na may itinatagong mga anak. ang iba naman ay mga bakla na ang inaatupag naman ay ang mga lalakeng sakristan! totoo itong sinasabi ko dahil myroon akong mga kakilala dahil ako ay katoliko. kung minsan nga nawawalan ako ng ganang magsimba kaya lang sabi ko Ang Diyos naman ang ipinupunta ko sa simbahan at hindi sila.Itinutuon ko na lang kay Jesus ang aking attention. BAkit si Jesus saan ba siya nagdarasal nuon? sa loob ba ng simbahan? Imulat natin ang ating mga mata at huwag pabulag sa mg aganid na obispo at pare!

  • GiReyes

    Alam mo, kahit ngayon na hindi pa naipapasa ang RH Bill or Responsible Parenthood Bill, e mabibili naman ang mga contraceptives sa mga Drug Stores.  Kaya kung talagang ayaw unawain ang panawagan ng Simbahang Katoliko laban sa kontraseptibo e pwede naman gumamit kaya wag na isabatas dahil gagamit pa ito ng taxes ng Catholics para ipambili ng contraceptives.

    • tamumd

      Just take note that not all catholics are anti-RH so you cannot speak for all of them!!! Have you bothered reading the rejoinders here? Some of them are catholics who are in favor for the passage of this bill. FYI..this bill is more than just the use of contraceptives…it will include provisions for sex education of our youth, funding for the reproductive health program, prenatal and post-natal care, assistance to infertile couples and assurance that no group could hijack the implementation of this piece of legislation among others. So there!

    • http://twitter.com/alesandrodiaz alesandro diaz

      xddd

    • Tonton

      Okay, what about comprehensive RH education, huh? Are you against that too? 

      • GiReyes

        Responsible parenting ba ang hayaan mong maturuan ang anak mo, na 11 o 12 years old,  Grade 5 or Grade 6,

        sa paggamit ng kontraseptibo na hindi ayon sa plano ng Diyos na
        lumikha sa atin.  Kung responsableng magulang tayo, hindi ba’t gusto
        nating maging maka-Diyos ang anak natin upang malayo sa masama?
        Isinusulong ng RH Bill/Responsible Parenthood Bill ang paggamit ng
        kontraseptibo.

        Hahayaan mo ba maturuan siya sa murang edad niya kung paano
        makikipagtalik, na hindi mabubuntis, sa pamamagitan ng paggamit ng
        iba-ibang kontraseptibo?  Ito ang sex education na ibibigay sa Bill na
        ito.   Sa tingin mo ba ito ang dapat pinag-aaralan ng ganyang ka-murang
        edad na mga bata?  Hindi ba dapat higit nilang dapat matutunan na hindi
        dapat nila pinag-uukulan muna ng pansin ang pakikipagtalik, kundi ang
        pagkaroon sila ng mabubuting katangian gaya ng pagpipigil sa paggawa ng
        hindi tama, kasipagan, pananalig sa Diyos, kabutihan, mga values, at sa
        pagkakaroon ng mga kaalaman at skills na makatutulong sa kanila sa
        pagkakaroon ng kabuhayan? 

        KAYA DAPAT NO TO RH BILL/ RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD TAYO.  HINDI ITO RESPONSIBLE PARENTING!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UPORNQO7GP2GMDGTT64FZOAVVA HuwagKalimutan

    Those bishops are not the Catholic church! They should learn to accept that there are other sides of an issue.

    Should the bishops always declare war on anyone proposing ideas that run counter to theirs? What arrogance!

  • Panotcha

    Does he even have an idea what religious wars have done to a country that he would use the term so lightly?

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WQFKRUQAG6DI2B3UVPPLS6BDY4 Mhon

    Yes to RH bill! I’m a Roman Catholic and Malaki respeto ko sa Simbahang katoliko! Pero Subukan niyong buksan mga mata niyo sa katotohanan! Lumabas kayo ng kumbento! Ano makikita niyo? mga kabataang may hawak na bata! pamilya na wala ng makain 6,7,8,9,10…… pa ang anak! tambay sa kanto, hindi nag-aaral kase masyadong madaming magkakapatid! nagtatrabaho na imbis nag-aaral kase kylangan para makatulong sa pamilya! gumagawa ng masama kase gipet, wala ng maipakain sa dami ng anak! anak-anak tapos hindi mapanagutan ang pamilya? gumagawa ng krimen, yan din ba ituturo mo sa anak mo paglaki? nagpapakaalipin sa ibang bansa dahil walang tinapos at walang maitustus sa pamilya! kakapanganak pa lang, wala pang ilang taon buntis agad! wala ng trabaho ang nanay at tatay mas madami pa ang anak sa Presidente ng isang kumpanya! 14 years Old Buntis na?  sa tingin niyo panu magiging mabuti at responsableng magulang ang 14years old? walang kamuwang-muwang! hindi nakapagtapos! anung alam niya sa pagpapalaki ng bata? sa paggabay sa anak? kung siya mismo nagsimula sa hindi tama? sirang sira ang kinabukasan niya! tapos sisisihin niyo ang Gubyerno kase naghihirap kayo! nagpapakasasa at papakaligaya kayo sa pakikipagtalik pero pag-nabuo ang bata, patay bahala na sa buhay? andyan naman ang gubyerno para tulungan kayo? tapos pagnahihirapan na kayo, sa Gubyerno agad ang sisi? hindi ba pwedeng sa sarili niyo muna dahil makasarili kayo! hindi niyo iniisip kung anu epekto ng pakikipagtalik niyo! kung kaya niyo bang ibigay ang pangangailangan ng anak niyo kahit hindi na ang kagustuhan! pero mas masaya pa nga kung maibibigay niyo ang gusto ng anak niyo diba? KUNG naging responsable lang! magrereklamo kayo na dati Private anak niyo pero ngayon Public na! sinu ba kase may sabe na mag-anak kayo ng madame? RH bill is not all about Abortion or killing an innocent child! It’s being responsible to ourselves, family and life! gumagawa ng solusyon ang gubyerno at hindi lahat iaasa niyo sa gubyrno! maging responsable din tayo sa sarili naten! kung hindi niyo tutulungan sarili niyo, swala ng ibang makakatulong sainyo! Hopeless kana! wag na tayong magpanggap! buksan niyo mga mata niyo sa katotohanan!

    • Guest

      Tingnan ninyo ang bank account ng poltician ninyo nandoon ang pera ng bayan

  • virgoyap

     WHY ARE THEY AGAINST PARENTS TO BECOME RESPONSIBLE?? VERY CONFUSING, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE THE GUARDIANS OF MORALITY. IT’S AS SIMPLE AS 1+1.

    • GiReyes

      Ang Responsible Parenthood Bill na tinutukoy kasi sa SONA ay hindi naman responsible parenting kasi nga nililito ng mga nagsusulong ng Bill ang mga tao.

      Responsible parenting ba ang hayaan mong maturuan ang anak mo, na 11 o 12 years old,  Grade 5 or Grade 6,

      sa paggamit ng kontraseptibo na hindi ayon sa plano ng Diyos na lumikha sa atin.  Kung responsableng magulang tayo, hindi ba’t gusto nating maging maka-Diyos ang anak natin upang malayo sa masama? Isinusulong ng RH Bill/Responsible Parenthood Bill ang paggamit ng kontraseptibo.

      Hahayaan mo ba maturuan siya sa murang edad niya kung paano makikipagtalik, na hindi mabubuntis, sa pamamagitan ng paggamit ng iba-ibang kontraseptibo?  Ito ang sex education na ibibigay sa Bill na ito.   Sa tingin mo ba ito ang dapat pinag-aaralan ng ganyang ka-murang edad na mga bata?  Hindi ba dapat higit nilang dapat matutunan na hindi dapat nila pinag-uukulan muna ng pansin ang pakikipagtalik, kundi ang pagkaroon sila ng mabubuting katangian gaya ng pagpipigil sa paggawa ng hindi tama, kasipagan, pananalig sa Diyos, kabutihan, mga values, at sa pagkakaroon ng mga kaalaman at skills na makatutulong sa kanila sa pagkakaroon ng kabuhayan?

      Kung tunay nating mahal ang ating mga asawa, tama ba na komo nanggigigil tayo, pero hindi natin kaya pang magkaroon ng isa pang anak, e di bale ng mapahamak ang kalusugan at buhay ng ating asawa dahil sa kontraseptibo na gagamitin sa kanya, upang maparaos ang sarap sa pagtatalik?

      Hindi komo Responsible Parenthood ang titulo ng Bill ay responsible parenting (responsableng pagiging magulang) na ang nilalaman nito.  Yan ang panlolokong gawa ng Bill na ito maliban pa sa pagiging labag sa Philippine Constitution (ang Saligang Batas ng Pilipinas).  KAYA TAYONG LAHAT AY DAPAT NO TO RH BILL/RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD BILL.

  • NEILMCNALLY

    WAR!…so be it…the roman catholic church has had 350+ years to clean up it’s act..it has grown worse rather than better,and still attracts special tax exempt concessions as a”spiritual business,”whereby other businesses have to pay up.
    The church resembles many other businesses in that it is super-rich whereas it’s customers are generally super-poor,and who are ruled by the spreading fear and superstition rather than by love and empathy and physical help.
    May the best team win!

  • plaru

    Kailangan na ng second edition ng Bible….Kase hindi na pwede ngayon ang go to the world and multiply,,,,Noong unang panahon kailangan talagang magparami pero hindi na ngayon…Sana ang second edition ng Bible ang gagawin at isusulat ng mga pari na ito kaysa sa makialam sa gobyerno…Sana yung second edition ay applicable sa buhay natin ngayon,,,,

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/747BZMUXAYLVILXZQITGJKXEIY Trey

      there will never be a second edition of the bible my frend..for the words in the bible are absolute and cannot be changed.. nd for the record, today’s priest do not even deserve to write a “second edition” of the bible.. read more the bible my friend then you will understand what i’m saying…i’ll just give you one verse and think about it, 
      1 Timothy 4:3…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/3ZZ72TNXSPZWDUK56DRL4GVFLI babyghe

        Right Trey.. Bible written by the disciples of Jesus with the Holy Spirit in the time of Jesus,,,so it will never have a 2nd edition made by the priest or anyone… in the  Book of Revelation we will see or read what’sin the future will happen.. and The Book of Acts is our presents.. So hinde po natin mababago ang bibliya kasi po, nakasulat na po ang kakahinatnan ng mundo kahit pa italga yan R.H bill na yan… Only God knows and can save us!!!

      • plaru

        Obsolete na Trey ang nasa Bibliya..marami ang nasa bibliya na hindi applicable ngayon..kaya nga san may 2nd edition para maging gabay natin sa panahon ngayon…..

  • Rensi Rosales

    “The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church” 
    -Ferdinand Magellan

    • Guest

      Is now shape like a sphere according to NASA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000532465679 Donardo Cuago

    HOY  BISHOP, D MO BA NARINIG ANG MATINDING PALAKPAKAN NG BINANGGIT NI PNOY ANG RESPONIBLE PARENTHOOD BILL (AKA RH BILL)???

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Q6PFH4PNFKJZH7B2FRZD4CZU4U Jonathan

    Reading the comments in this site showed to me that many Filipinos already have their eyes opened, and have stopped being blind conformists and fanatics, only listening to the Catholic church. People who, above all, think for the country and for themselves, who question and who inquire. My faith in the Filipino nation, and it’s constituents, are restored.

  • ina gomez

    This is ridiculous. They’re priests, not economists. What gives them the right to decide what is best for our country’s economic growth?

  • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

    Yes! Let us wage war against this filthy, unreasonable, unscientific, anti-poor, unfounded and anti-life bill – the RH Bill.

    • tamumd

      Hehehehe war? What a quixotic, bellicose idea!!! What are you going to call it…the RH Crusade? the RH Inquisition? Please…what a bunch of bluffing baloney you just said? lol

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

         huh. another show of blatant ignorance of history. What crusade? What inquisition? Only an insane person would bring these irrelevant and unrelated issues here. Kung wala kang matino at matibay na rason para depensahan ang RH Bill nyo, tumahimik ka. I find it hilarious that you speak of all this rubbish like “RH Crusade” or RH Inquisition”.

      • tamumd

        Oh are you conveniently forgetting your church’s not-so-rosey history of WARS? The Crusades when you massacred thousands of muslims to gain foot hold of Holy Land? The Inquisition when you burned and tortured thousands to death because they did not agree with the church teachings and hocus pocus? These are the so called “WARS” your church had waged to people who don’t share your views. That is how cruel and unchristian your church is? To think that we have all advanced and more enlightened than those bloody wars..yet here you are using the same word “WAR” to scare your opponents. What an appropiate word to use for a religion that supposed to spread the love of god! Baloney!!!  I was merely trying to give you suggestion of what you should call your “war”! Take your pick! Hehehehehe

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        I don’t have the luxury of time to waste for your ignorance due to your simplistic appreciation of history. Go ahead with your folly.

      • tamumd

        You’re lying to your teeth! If your time is really that precious why do you even bother commenting in this thread and keep responding with everyone’s rejoinder? I understand your disgust to again hear the history of your church’s atrocities. I know it hurts!! Hehehehehe But gotta remember that your church seem to have not learned its lesson from the past..it is doing it again or seem like it wants to do it again!!! And you’re egging for it! lol By the way thanks for your permission!!! lol

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        Truth hurts but heals. Ignorance hurts and does not heal. It is not the Church that did not learn a lesson. It is you who did not learn your lesson in history. Ignorance is katangahan. Tama ang tiyuhin ko: “walang lunas ang katangahan.”

      • tamumd

        Obviously your uncle knows coz apparently it runs in your family! It takes one to know one. Hahahaha trying hard to weasel out of the catholic church’s gory history!!!! There’s no way of describing those atrocities of the past palatable! The whole world knows. You just don’t wanna hear about them ..that is why!

      • tamumd

        lol..You are the one who brought up the issue of “waging WARS”! I didn’t!!!

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

         It is the President who ignites this “war”, should be be blamed if we respond with same vigor?

      • tamumd

        No he did not!!! Only you and your rabid, war monger church hierarchy labeled that part of the President’s SONA a “war”!

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

        He did. Call it however you want, “war”, “trouble” etc. At the end of the day, it is he who started this. Stop defendind him. He has the reputation of being “palaaway” na parang abnoy. Hence, this actuation of the president does not surprise us anymore.

      • tamumd

        NO he did not..YOU and your bishops did!!! How in the world a mere mention of Responsible Parenthood by the President of the Republic in his SONA a call for “war”? I wonder how long your nose is? lol Is this a habit of yours?

    • Guest

      Bobo mga politician gaya gaya lang sa mga ibang bansa hindi naman nila alam ang ginagawa nila.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

         I agree. Isama mo nan jan ang mga supporters nila.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TDE5NBDKWKSYXMS6Z3VFQQZIZE mangdo

    the prelates should realize that the Phils. has enough of street children,,,which the government could only afford for their basic education…they must see the number of children a “kargador”  has…haven’t these priest notice millions of OFW are outside the country just to support their families…kung mag graduate ang studiante, problema ang trabaho dahil sa dami ng aplikante, papaano sobra na kadami ang tao sa pilipinas…saan magsimula ang isang populasyon sa bansa…sa dami ng myembro ng familia…kung dalawa lang sana ang anak bawat pinoy…wala sana ganito na problema…sa pilipinas ngayon puro sobra kung ano man ang profesyon…sa engineering, education, medical workers, at kung saan kahit sa pagiging janitor, sobra pa din ang applikante, tapos ano…may maitulong ba ang simbahan natin??? yes we pray…pero ilan million ang gumagawa nito…dahil sobrs sobra na ang tao sa bansa natin…kailan kaya natin gagawan ng remedy ang problemang ito….mabuti ang mga priest na iyan at wala sila mga anak…in short, I support for the passage of RH bill….this should have been long before…

    • tarikan

      Priests, bishops and all churchmen live princely lives. Cardinals live kingly lives. Therefore they are not affected by an overwhelming population bursting to the seams. 

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YLWG4YNG33L4XV575V25SSZA64 kamandag

        You are absolutely correct TARIKAN ! Those greedy bishops and priests are only after the money they can collect from their parishioners every mass. The bigger the population the bigger amount of money they can collect from the people.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YLWG4YNG33L4XV575V25SSZA64 kamandag

      Sarado akong katoliko subalit kinamumuhian ko ang mga obispo at mga pare sa sobrang pakikialam nila sa gobyerno samantala wala naman silang naitutulong sa ikauunlad ng bansa. Nagpapanggap lang ang mga ganid na mga yan na Pro-life pero ang katotohanan ay ang SALAPI na makokolekta nila sa MISA. Pag madami ang naghihirap madami ang magdarasal sa simbahan at madami  silang makokolektang pera ! masiyadong mga hipokrito ang mga OBISPO at mga PARENG yan. Sa mauunlad na bansa wala na halos nagsisimba sa katolikong simbahan ! Nagiging TOURISTS’ attraction na lang ang mga simbahan at cathedrals ! Kahit sa Spain, France , Italy at US ilan beses na din ako nakapasok sa mga simbahan nila at mabibilang mo sa daliri ang nagsisimba!

      • Guest

        Hindi naman sila humihinggi ng 10% ng income mo kung hindi Abuloy lang.

      • http://profiles.google.com/forestking19 Ryan Barcelo

         Wow, I hope you are not suggesting that we follow the foolish Europeans for abandoning their Christian roots. Otherwise, if we follow them, let us expect our society to collapse as well.

        No, I beg to disagree. Hindi ka “sarado katoliko”. Dahil kung tunay kang “sarado katoliko”, dapat very reasonable ka. Dapat klaro ang lohika mo. Dapat una ka sa nakakaalam na ang abuloy mo sa simbahan ay hindi sapat sa pambayad ng gastos sa koryente ng electric fan na nagbigay sa iyo ng hangin, sa sound system na ginammit para marinig mo ang pari at sa ilaw para makakita ka sa loob ng simbahan. Hindi ka “sarado katoliko”. I can be sure about this.

      • GiReyes

        Pakibasa po ang sagot ko kay Tarikan sa taas. Ginagampanan lang po ng mga Katolikong Obispo ang dapat.

    • Guest

      Mismanagement of wealth to be shared to the people that is the responsible of government. Puro kurakot sa pork barrel. Kaya they have to check the SALN and scrutinize their bank accounts nandoon ang pera ng bayan. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G7SCLJSAFN6EZKHGPZH42PDMRQ George

    What has the Catholic Church done for the progress of the Philippines and the Filipino society? 500 years of catholicism never improved the lives of Filipinos. They have nothing worthwhile to brag about. What did you say? They saved a lot of souls? Did they keep count? I say it’s time for the Catholic Church to back off and let the real world speak for itself. In addition, it’s time for Filipinos to realize that the Catholic Church in the Philippines is an arm of the foreign Vatican and its pope. It’s time to declare another independence from a foreign power!

    • tarikan

      Now everyone understands why there are so many Protestants and counting.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZG2WYOQF4P2QN2EJQFPQMFRS4 Max

        May I clarify what you understand why there are so many Protestants and counting? Majority of the Philippine population are Catholics.

      • tarikan

        Are you talking to me Max? I’m tarikan not George. I’m a Catholic alright and very much so, hear Sunday mass. But I’m not a blind follower of what the Church says. I put some effort to discern things because God Himself gave me a free will.

      • GiReyes

        Sinasabi mo Katoliko ka at nagsisimba ka sa Simbahang Katoliko. Naniniwala ka ba sa tunay na Diyos ng Simbahang Katoliko? Kung naniniwala ka, dapat naniniwala ka rin sa binigyan ng Diyos ng kapangyarihang magpalaganap kung paano magkakaroon ng kaligtasan ang ating kaluluwa at magkaroon ng buhay na walang-hanggan, si San Pedro, ang binigyan ng Panginoong Jesus ng susi sa Kaharian ng Langit dito sa lupa. Ang linya ng Santo Papa mula sa kasalukuyang Pope Benedict XVI ay mai-trace kay San Pedro. Si San Pedro ay isa sa 12 apostoles na siyang bumubuo ng unang simbahan ng Panginoong Jesus. Ang batas laban sa artipisyal na kontraseptibo ng Simbahang Katoliko ay di nagbabago mula sa simula hanggang ngayon.

      • tarikan

        God won’t be happy after giving you a free will then you won’t exercise it. Following blindly what the Church says even against your will is not free will. I don’t think God gives away free will then commands you to just follow what the Church says. Who says that all the things the Church says are coming from God himself? I treasure more the free will because I know it’s the gift from God. He knows that if I am using it the right way I am alright.

    • Guest

      Well your still here, thank the catholic church.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZG2WYOQF4P2QN2EJQFPQMFRS4 Max

      May I know if you are a Catholic, George, or what your religion is?

      • tamumd

        Does it matter?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Psst… brader max! tanong mo din kung ano favorite color nya. Tsaka kung single ba sya, or married or its complicated.

        Teka bakit mo nga uli tinatanong?

  • tarikan

    Reproductive Health and Responsible Parenthood (or RH Bill) Bill is killing people? COME ON my dear bishops, get a life! Will the govt please give copies of this proposed RH bill to the CBCP so that it can highlight anywhere in the text where there is any mention of killing people or abortion. My layman’s take is that prevention of conception is not abortion nor killing people. If the sperm and the egg did not meet and fertilize (prevented to meet), there is no “life” killed in the first place. Is it any sin to have a manageable family size? I think it is more a sin to bring forth unwanted number of children, unclothed, under fed, uneducated. Nobody’s saying don’t have children at all. It’s just that quality is more preferable than quantity.  

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZG2WYOQF4P2QN2EJQFPQMFRS4 Max

      What the Catholic Church is actually saying is that contraception (the artificial methods of family planning) is a violation of God’s natural law to which all owe obedience. ALL ARTIFICIAL CONTRACEPTIVES INCLUDING STERILIZATIONS ARE AGAINST GOD’S PLAN FOR MAN.  The ultimate of this contraceptive mentality is death, abortion, lack of regard for the ill-effects of contraceptives to women’s health, destruction of the Filipino will to do what is right (self-restraint), etc..  What they are saying should be promoted only is Natural Family Planning because by this couples will be practicing continence (self-restraint) to do what is right; by this one becomes truly human. 

      Since Artficial Family Planning is against God, it follows that the Responsible Parenthood Bill/ Planned Parenthood Bill/ Reproductive Health Bill which promotes Artificial Family Planning is ALSO UNCONSTITUTIONAL.  In our Philippine Constitution, Filipinos recognize that WE NEED GOD’S AID IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A JUST AND HUMANE SOCIETY.

      There are other reasons but it would just make my answer very long.

      • tarikan

        Whose god are you talking about, Max? Different religions have different gods. Did He (God) really say that only natural methods of family planning have to be followed or was it only the interpretation of the Church? Inasmuch as the Filipino society is hardheaded (that includes you & me) artificial methods of prevention of unwanted births (I say unwanted because some families have 10 or more children) is warranted. Relying on natural methods is like relying on prayers to have rain during drought months or to not have typhoons during typhoon season. Shall we keep on having sex and pray that we somehow manage to have children not over a dozen?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        “ALL ARTIFICIAL CONTRACEPTIVES INCLUDING STERILIZATIONS ARE AGAINST GOD’S PLAN FOR MAN.”

        Tama ka nanaman brader Max! In fact nasusulat to directly sa Bible na bawal ang contraceptives. Di ko lang mahanap kung saan…

        Ok, it turns out wala palang sinasabi sa Bible against Modern Contraceptives.
        Pero naniniwala pa din ako kay brader Max, kasi mukang alam nya yung plano ni God. Baka sinabi sa kanya. Malay natin.

  • http://twitter.com/erncastillo ern

    bishops shut up! Your moral authority will be judged by which people will follow. Let the cards fall on their faces so that you may know if you have been effective guardians of faith. The purity and impurity  of your souls are now put to the test.

    • GiReyes

      All true devout Catholics will surely follow what the Catholic Church stands for.  It is what the CBCP has been saying, NO TO RH BILL/ NO TO RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD BILL because it promotes Artificial Methods of Family Planning which is against God’s plan for man, the natural law, and it is against the Philippine Constitution, too.

      • tamumd

        Well GiReyes..that is your opinion and likely as a result of your indoctrination from your catholic faith. Not very filipino, catholics including share your views. So you have the right to voice yours and so are we! There’s no one provision in our constitution that criminalizes the use of contraceptives. None, zilch, nada! You’re making it up!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Tama brader!

        Bawal talaga sa Philippine Constitution ang Artificial methods of family planning.

        Brader san bang part ng Constitution pinagbabawal ang family planning??? Google kasi ako ng google, pero wala akong makita. Lahat sinasabi: “The Philippine Constitution allows family  planning and the use of modern methods.”

        Brader, baka naman CONSTITUTION NI BATMAN yang nabasa mo. Baka Constipation ang makuha natin.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AHXXSHY4F2ZXT5L2UGYU5JVALE Tomas

    president aquino is declaring war against the church and the filipino people because RH was never part of his electoral platform. he was not voted on the basis of his promise that he would legislate and enact population control. if he had made his stand known then, then the electorate would have the democratic opportunity to size him up, evaluate his program of govt, and decide whether or not he should be voted. those who are saying the church should shut up are betraying their anti-democratic colors, their liberal streak that rhetorically exalts democracy but on practice looks at govt as nothing more than an arena for lobbyists with the fattest pockets, like population-control fanatics that are in reality eugenicists. with “daang matuwid” (straight path) should be “isang salita” or “palabra de honor.” pnoy didn’t make his stand on RH known during the election. at the start of his admi, he didn’t say RH was a priority. then last year he started saying while he was not certifying the RH bill he expected it passed. what does that mean?  he boasts of the “straight path” but speaks with a forked tongue!
    mind you, in what part of SONA did he situate his desire to have RH legislated because he claimed to be for “responsible parenthood”? it was in the context of what he claimed to be the gains he had made in education. he was saying that to make education gains stick, there should be RH and population control! he was basically blaming  overpopulation for the problems of the education system! he was basically saying that poor filipino parents were IRRESPONSIBLE for reproducing and putting pressure on the public education system! please check again his SONA and if you don’t find his statements CONDESCENDING or even ARROGANT, then join rizza hontiveros and other anti-poor burgis eugenicists like her in giving pnoy a standing ovation!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

       Mang Tomas, ni-Like mo yung sarili mong post??? Wala ka ba ni isang friend?

    • josephu777

      You are delusional.

      Hiwever you dice it, responsible parenthood is not abortion. You describe the President as having forked tongue or liar, like a snake or whatever evil. did the President promise that he will not support RH Bill and now he is into its enactment?

      If you can find a provision in the bill that says about the need and the use of abortion is mandatory, then you have the right to be angry and call all other evil. If I practice pre-ejaculation witdrawal, what is the church stand on witdrawal?

      The priest (bishop/archibishop) should focus on morality and the discipline of their rank. Example: A priest would go to Canada to visit his mistress and his child. What about the bishop of Novaliches, Fr Bacani?

      The priest in a town in San Ildefonso was popular as people find him jolly and easy to talk to. One early evening, a young man visited him. As the priest recognized the fellow, he invited him for a cup of coffee. The young man noticed that ten years or so had passed but the good father is still virbant and strong for his age. He asked what was the priest’s secret of long life and energy. The priest replied, “kape at rosario”. Without losing a beat the father blurted out,” Ah, Rosario, bigyan mo nga kami ng kape”.

      Having used “San Ildefonso” in my fictional story, I can tell you without reservation that the parish priest between 1964 – 1970 in San Ildefonso, Bulacan was a mahjong-playing, pedophile homosexual. He had a running schedule whom among the senior high school class (PMT officers) should be spending the night in the convent.

      My othe rissue is that I noticed that during the occasions when people need help llike on instances of storms, the doors of the churches are closed. There could be exceptional cases but churches are not even participating in feeding the hungry. I suspect that the church is interested only in counting how many prospective baptism the priest can officiate. The church could help in educating street children at least or shelterig them during the night or clothing them with the parishioners donated clothes.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AHXXSHY4F2ZXT5L2UGYU5JVALE Tomas

         it is obvious many rh supporters haven’t read the bill or different versions of it. rh promotes abortion because 1) it seeks to distribute contraceptives, many of which are abortifacients, even doctors admit as much; and 2) it condones abortion because it compels physicians and hospitals to treat women with abortion complications, which basically undermines the penal statute against abortion.
        if you still think contraception does not lead, or is not, abortion, check out the more vociferous supporters of the bill, like dr. sylvia claudio, who heads an international federation promoting abortion. ask the pro-choice people what pro-choice and “reproductive health” and reproductive rights mean, and they will tell you it means pro-abortion.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2ZG2WYOQF4P2QN2EJQFPQMFRS4 Max

    What the Bishops have said are true – the President’s endorsement of Responsible Parenthood Bill is an open war against the Catholic Church and the President ought to listen to the voice of the people who are majority Catholics. The President is Catholic, the majority of the Philippine population is Catholic, his dialogue with the Catholic Bishops have not been concluded and yet for so many times he has endorsed the RH Bill/Planned Parenthood Bill/Responsible Parenthood Bill.  Isn’t that defying the Catholic Church and the majority Filipinos?

    The President with all his advisers I’m sure are all very knowledgeable on the Philippine Constitution.  It is very clear in the Philippine Constitution that we, Filipinos, need the aid of God in order to establish a just and humane society.  The Catholic Church has been saying that Artificial Methods of Family Planning are all against the plan of God for man.  Why would the authors of the Philippine Constitution, the fundamental law of the Philppines, have put that we need God’s aid to have a just and humane society if it is not for the purpose to ensure that there should be no law in the Philippines which is against God?

    Even if there is separation of Church and State,  it is merely to protect the practice of religion from the government in authority but not to separate or remove religion from Philippine society.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

      Tama ka brader Max! Dapat sumunod si Presidente sa mga pari.
      Yan din sabi ko sa mga kilala kong Muslim, Born Again, Protestante, Iglesia ni Cristo, Rizalista, Aglipayan.
      Kasi the Philippines is a “Catholic” country.
      Ansama lang ng tingin sakin nung mga yun brader….

    • Renato_SUPOT_Pacifico

      max ??? maximo oliveros ? kaw ba yan

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/4NDRNR4NH2Q4EXS7TMWEEAUWGE Pope

        Hoy wag mo inaaway si brader Max. Sugo ni lord yan. May personal knowledge sya about “the plan of God for man”. Nag-chachat sila sa fb.

        And he has authority to speak for ALL Catholics. Absent lang ako nun pero naboto ata syang spokesperson. At sabi ni brader Max lahat ng Katoliko eh ayaw sa RH Bill. Kahit na ang surveys eh pinapakita na majority ng Pilipinos are in favor of the bill. Wag kayo maniwala sa surveys. Bawal ang math!

        Brader Max, sabihin mo na kasi samin kung anong plano ni God para sa tao. Wag mo na i-secret.

  • IanAlera

    OPEN WAR NGA BA?

    Ang sabi ni P-NOY ay ‘responsible parenthood’. — Bakit hindi niya sinabing RH BILL ang gusto niya?

  • GiReyes

    Sana po imbis batikusin nating mga Katoliko ang mga Obispo natin ay tulungan natin silang mapaliwanagan ang mga binubulag ng kaaway ng tunay na Diyos.

  • Steven Zahl

    ITALY, where catolicism started, had their own Universal RH Bill approved in 1970. The pope did not say a thing.

    Let’s not be TRYING HARD cathoilics.

    Daming Gutom sa Pinas..

  • teraytaray

    sige Sen Pia, ipasa nyo ang RH bill.  I am a Catholic, pero masyado nang populated ang bansa natin.  Ang dami ng malls na nagbukas in the last 10-15 years, ang dami ng maliliit na business ang nagbukas tulad ng mga food cart, mga bangko like BDO ilang tao ang nagkaron ng trabaho dahil dyan? pero madami pa din nagugutom. yes isa ang corruption sa dahilan, pero tulad ng sabi ko isa lang sa dahilan yan. kung ang isang mahirap na mag asawa  pang pagkain lang nila ang pera nila magagawa pa ba nilang bumili ng contraceptives. At saka let’s face it, sa pangalan lang tayo Catholic country, sa gawa wala naman, in the first place bakit over populated pa din tayo kung sinusunod natin ang payo ng mga church leaders natin na sundin ang natural method? madami lang naman nagsisimba pag me okasyon o kaya nagka lindol



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