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Devotees flock to Lucban

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Throng of devotees flock to the 'Kamay ni Hesus' shrine in Lucban, Quezon on Good Friday to climb the spiritually sanctifying 300-step 'Stairway to Heaven' to reach the 50-foot statue of the resurrected Christ on top of the hill. DELFIN T. MALLARI JR./Inquirer Southern Luzon

LUCBAN, Quezon—“Grabe (Awesome)! Beyond description.”

This was how Fr. Joey Faller, the priest who built the Kamay ni Hesus (Hand of Jesus) shrine here, described the throngs of devotees who had been flocking to the religious site to mark the Holy Week.

“Such tremendous expression of faith is really heartwarming. It is a manifestation of the strengthening spirituality of our people,” Faller, a renowned healer, said in an interview on Good Friday.

He said this year’s visitors—devotees, picnickers, curiosity seekers, kibitzers and balikbayans—had been arriving in droves since Palm Sunday.

With more people expected to come until Monday, a holiday, Faller predicted the multitude of visitors would surpass his estimate of one million for the entire Holy Week observance.

“The shrine will surely reach an estimated 1.5 million visitors,” he said.

“They came from different parts of the country. Most visitors were newcomers, as reported to me by the shrine staff,” said Faller, a native of this quiet town at the foot of Mt. Banahaw.

Shrine staff gave no specific figures on how many devotees have actually come as of Saturday.

Since past midnight on Friday, hikers and bikers from Lucena City (24 kilometers away) and Tayabas City (12 km away) had started their trek to Lucban.

Residents along the route offered free hot coffee and cold water to the walking pilgrims.

According to Lucban policemen, similar groups came from the neighboring Luisiana and Majayjay towns in Laguna.

Faller said he had received text messages that devotees from Candelaria, Quezon, some 50 km away, were also hiking toward the shrine.

He attributed the rising number of shrine visitors every year to media reports, word of mouth and the contemplative yet jovial atmosphere at the complex.

Faller built the shrine in 2002 on a hilly part of Barangay Tinamnan, 2 km from the town center.

Climbing to heaven

“They can meditate and pray here, climb to heaven, shoot photos of the scenery, interact with people from far away places, hold picnics and have a taste of Lucban’s famous delicacy. The shrine has it all,” said the 1.8-meter-tall priest, who is also a photography buff.

Noah’s Ark and the Kamay ni Hesus retreat centers were fully booked, most of the guests being balikbayan.

Most of the complex visitors spent the night sleeping in grassy areas, in small huts, and even inside the church, the Inquirer has learned.

The Noah’s Ark, a house of prayer, holds a two-story building with air-conditioned single, double and dormitory-type rooms as well as a refectory and a seminar room.

17-meter-tall statue

Shrine staff members are overwhelmed by the size of the multitude of devotees, he said.

“They are all happy. Though shocked, no one is complaining. All shrine visitors are brothers and sisters to them,” Faller said.

Thousands of devotees wanting to climb the 300-step “Stairway to Heaven” to reach a 17-meter-tall statue of the resurrected Christ on top of the hill, formed a long line snaking around the vast shrine complex.

“The last person on the line would wait for three hours before stepping on the first step of the stairway. The long line started to form as early as 3 a.m.,” a volunteer guard told the Inquirer.

But for most devotees patiently standing under the scorching heat of the sun, the wait was “spiritually worthy.”

“I traveled all the way from Tarlac just to visit the shrine and climb the Stairway to Heaven, I don’t mind the long hours at the line,” said Leoncia de los Santos, a retired banker.

Beside her was her teenage granddaughter, who was holding an umbrella to shield them from the heat.

Movie stars, pols

Guards and volunteers arranged the climb in batches to prevent overcrowding on the hill.

Staff members claimed some movie stars had come incognito so as not to disturb the contemplative atmosphere inside the shrine complex. Politicians also visited but maintained low profiles.

The staffers did not say how they were able to recognize the celebrities and the politicians if they came, or tried to come, incognito.

Shrine security

One staffer noted that a number of devotees of Mt. Banahaw also visited the shrine due to the continued closure of the supposedly mystical mountain.

The Quezon police chief, Senior Supt. Valeriano de Leon, was spotted at the shrine early Friday talking with other lawmen assigned to maintain peace and order, and with a contingent of Army soldiers.

Faller said he requested government forces to augment shrine security.

Closed-circuit televisions were strategically placed in different parts of the five-hectare pilgrim center.

After talking with the Inquirer, Faller was seen strolling around the shrine with a camera dangling around his neck, looking like an ordinary devotee. He was wearing a red bull cap, T-shirt, basketball shorts and dark shades.

Some lucky devotees who were able to recognize Faller received his blessings.

The priest was also seen holding an impromptu healing session for a sick man in a corner of the shrine.

First posted 12:10 am | Sunday, April 8th, 2012


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  • superpilipinas

    Really awesome. Thank you Father Joey for building this shrine which makes us remember Jesus Christ and praise him.

    • tekateka

       That is right.. Remember the Good deeds of Jesus Christ… He is a good man that believes in God.. But he is not God and There is No God that exists at all.. 

      • lanceseraphim

        Just Keep your unbelief and faithlessness to your self and continue to wallow on the emptiness and misery of your life

      • tekateka

         That’s dogma man… that’s what your fake church taught you…. I haven’t hurt anybody, I have helped others to the best of my ability, I don’t steal, I don’t kill, I don’t say bad things to other people, I have good friends and I am a friendly person… if that is evil and misery to you… then, how worse are you?

        Buddhists don’t believe in God or supreme being but they are the most peaceful people in this planet… their meditation is better than your prayer…

      • lanceseraphim

        i tell you good deeds are not enough so as to fill up the vacuum caused by your unbelief of god in your life. if you do not really believe in god then you must challenge yourself to do those deeds that are  against your conscience. For your conscience is God’s voice imprinted in your life. You are invoking how good you are as a person, not doing harm to others, doing goods to others, etc, however deep inside these are the  subliminal fallbacks of  the atheists in case they found out at the end of their life that there is god after all. For an atheist the more he argues against the existence of god, the more he finds doubt of his atheism; the more he denies strongly the existence of god the more his conviction is weaken by his own argument. And that is the misery of an atheist’s life, like an itch that wont go away. There is no such true atheist at all, man.

      • Monos Futbol

        Theists don’t have the monopoly of “goodness.” The ability to recognize bad from good, altruism, and the like, are hardwired to our brain. Google this: AMYGDALA! Also, you’ll be surprised that animals are moral too. Don’t be saying that a supernatural force is responsible for this. If you don’t know the science behind morality, it doesn’t mean that people have to embrace god as the cause of everything.

      • UrHONOR

        HOW do you know that GOOD DEEDS are not ENOUGH in ones’ life.  What’s your basis or authority to make such a statement?  What makes you think that if one does not believe in the god that you do, he’s incapable of performing GOOD DEEDS voluntarily?  What makes you think that if one does not believe or agree with your god he’s an ATHEIST.  Could it be he has a god different from yours?  Your message is laden with assumptions and suppositions that surely limps.  ASSUMPTIONISTA ka ba?

      • KapitanBagwis

         Where did you get the idea about Jesus Christ’s good deeds and of being a good man if not from the Bible? From some story teller?

  • natan258

    John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Randy-Cadman/1576947606 Randy Cadman

    the money spent to construct such a huge structure could have been used to build a school or a hospital,, and these pilgrims could have spent their time and money to visit hospitals or fund scholarships.. and this country might have been a better place

  • natan258

    Deuteronomy 5:8-9 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God…

  • tekateka

    That is because 1.6 Million babies are born every year… Most of them will turn out to be jobless and poor.. just to be shipped out as slaves abroad…

    • juiceko

       I will tell that the hatred you have in your heart is as thick as mud in your face. If you think you are richer right now. Think again, because you are the poorest in my Father’s sight. In 3 days time, you will feel the tremble of His Might. Happy Easter to you!

      • tekateka

         mangkukulam ka?

  • Banono

    Propping up the faith o the people by using images and shrines are a lame excuse and solution. Besides this is a very abhorrent practice before the eyes of God.
     
    Instead why not point people to the written words of God – the Bible. If their Christian faith is to weather thru the trials that will surely come (as prophesied in the Bible) then their faith should be based on the reliable truth of the written words of God not on human teachings and traditions.
     
    Wrong theology will always result in wrong practice!
     
    God-fearing people read and study the Bible before the prophesied wrath of God comes. God bless!

  • gudwil2all

    isa itong dahilan kung bakit ____ tayo

    • tekateka

       submissive, introverts, tanga, bobo, dungo, mamaw, aswang,

  • KapitanBagwis

    Seek the truth and the truth shall set you free….free from what??? Free from bondage of ignorance, from bondage of superstitions, bondage of corruptions, bondage of sins, bondage of materialism, bondage of greediness, bondage of selfishness, bondage of crab mentality and bondage of all form of moral deprivation.

  • KapitanBagwis

    A misplaced form of religiosity…

  • tekateka

    Religious Indulgence is the root cause of poverty and ignorance… Philippines is the best template example…

    • mhertz

      Root cause of poverty and ignorance?  Why is it that there are standard Catholic schools?

      • UrHONOR

        <<>>

        TO make MONEY.

  • tedrodriguez

    The Second Commandments of God: Thou shall not make any graven image and not bow down to them nor serve them.
    HIndi ba eto paglabag sa kautusan ng Diyos, hello hello Catholics

    • mhertz

      Pls. read book of 1Kings 6:8 NIV

      • KapitanBagwis

         “The entrance to the bottom level of side rooms was on the south side of the temple, stairs went up to the middle floor and then on up to the third floor” ~ 1 Kings 6:8…what is your point? What has that got to do with the second commandment?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/2W5XPYNRTEXYVZCDSOJHVZLIV4 Jean

        That verse reads from NIV: 
        1Kings 6:8  ¶ The entrance to the lowest floor was on the south side of the temple; a stairway led up to the middle level and from there to the third. 

      • mhertz

        Sorry, typo error it is 1Kings 6-8. It si verses 6 to 8

      • mhertz

        haay..mali na naman.sori antok po is ako.ito na talaga..1Kings 6-8 ( Chapters 6-8)
        1 Kings 6 New International Version (NIV)
        1 Kings 6Solomon Builds the Temple1 In the four hundred and eightieth[a] year after the Israelites came out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the LORD. 2 The temple that King Solomon built for the LORD was sixty cubits long, twenty wide and thirty high.[b] 3 The portico at the front of the main hall of the temple extended the width of the temple, that is twenty cubits,[c] and projected ten cubits[d] from the front of the temple. 4 He made narrow windows high up in the temple walls. 5 Against the walls of the main hall and inner sanctuary he built a structure around the building, in which there were side rooms. 6 The lowest floor was five cubits[e] wide, the middle floor six cubits[f] and the third floor seven.[g] He made offset ledges around the outside of the temple so that nothing would be inserted into the temple walls. 7 In building the temple, only blocks dressed at the quarry were used, and no hammer, chisel or any other iron tool was heard at the temple site while it was being built. 8 The entrance to the lowest[h] floor was on the south side of the temple; a stairway led up to the middle level and from there to the third. 9 So he built the temple and completed it, roofing it with beams and cedar planks. 10 And he built the side rooms all along the temple. The height of each was five cubits, and they were attached to the temple by beams of cedar. 11 The word of the LORD came to Solomon: 12 “As for this temple you are building, if you follow my decrees, observe my laws and keep all my commands and obey them, I will fulfill through you the promise I gave to David your father. 13 And I will live among the Israelites and will not abandon my people Israel.” 14 So Solomon built the temple and completed it. 15 He lined its interior walls with cedar boards, paneling them from the floor of the temple to the ceiling, and covered the floor of the temple with planks of juniper. 16 He partitioned off twenty cubits at the rear of the temple with cedar boards from floor to ceiling to form within the temple an inner sanctuary, the Most Holy Place. 17 The main hall in front of this room was forty cubits[i] long. 18 The inside of the temple was cedar, carved with gourds and open flowers. Everything was cedar; no stone was to be seen. 19 He prepared the inner sanctuary within the temple to set the ark of the covenant of the LORD there. 20 The inner sanctuary was twenty cubits long, twenty wide and twenty high. He overlaid the inside with pure gold, and he also overlaid the altar of cedar. 21 Solomon covered the inside of the temple with pure gold, and he extended gold chains across the front of the inner sanctuary, which was overlaid with gold. 22 So he overlaid the whole interior with gold. He also overlaid with gold the altar that belonged to the inner sanctuary. 23 For the inner sanctuary he made a pair of cherubim out of olive wood, each ten cubits high. 24 One wing of the first cherub was five cubits long, and the other wing five cubits—ten cubits from wing tip to wing tip. 25 The second cherub also measured ten cubits, for the two cherubim were identical in size and shape. 26 The height of each cherub was ten cubits. 27 He placed the cherubim inside the innermost room of the temple, with their wings spread out. The wing of one cherub touched one wall, while the wing of the other touched the other wall, and their wings touched each other in the middle of the room. 28 He overlaid the cherubim with gold. 29 On the walls all around the temple, in both the inner and outer rooms, he carved cherubim, palm trees and open flowers. 30 He also covered the floors of both the inner and outer rooms of the temple with gold. 31 For the entrance to the inner sanctuary he made doors out of olive wood that were one fifth of the width of the sanctuary. 32 And on the two olive-wood doors he carved cherubim, palm trees and open flowers, and overlaid the cherubim and palm trees with hammered gold. 33 In the same way, for the entrance to the main hall he made doorframes out of olive wood that were one fourth of the width of the hall. 34 He also made two doors out of juniper wood, each having two leaves that turned in sockets. 35 He carved cherubim, palm trees and open flowers on them and overlaid them with gold hammered evenly over the carvings. 36 And he built the inner courtyard of three courses of dressed stone and one course of trimmed cedar beams. 37 The foundation of the temple of the LORD was laid in the fourth year, in the month of Ziv. 38 In the eleventh year in the month of Bul, the eighth month, the temple was finished in all its details according to its specifications. He had spent seven years building it. 1 Kings 7Solomon Builds His Palace1 It took Solomon thirteen years, however, to complete the construction of his palace. 2 He built the Palace of the Forest of Lebanon a hundred cubits long, fifty wide and thirty high,[a] with four rows of cedar columns supporting trimmed cedar beams. 3 It was roofed with cedar above the beams that rested on the columns—forty-five beams, fifteen to a row. 4 Its windows were placed high in sets of three, facing each other. 5 All the doorways had rectangular frames; they were in the front part in sets of three, facing each other.[b] 6 He made a colonnade fifty cubits long and thirty wide.[c] In front of it was a portico, and in front of that were pillars and an overhanging roof. 7 He built the throne hall, the Hall of Justice, where he was to judge, and he covered it with cedar from floor to ceiling.[d] 8 And the palace in which he was to live, set farther back, was similar in design. Solomon also made a palace like this hall for Pharaoh’s daughter, whom he had married. 9 All these structures, from the outside to the great courtyard and from foundation to eaves, were made of blocks of high-grade stone cut to size and smoothed on their inner and outer faces. 10 The foundations were laid with large stones of good quality, some measuring ten cubits[e] and some eight.[f] 11 Above were high-grade stones, cut to size, and cedar beams. 12 The great courtyard was surrounded by a wall of three courses of dressed stone and one course of trimmed cedar beams, as was the inner courtyard of the temple of the LORD with its portico. The Temple’s Furnishings13 King Solomon sent to Tyre and brought Huram,[g] 14 whose mother was a widow from the tribe of Naphtali and whose father was from Tyre and a skilled craftsman in bronze. Huram was filled with wisdom, with understanding and with knowledge to do all kinds of bronze work. He came to King Solomon and did all the work assigned to him. 15 He cast two bronze pillars, each eighteen cubits high and twelve cubits in circumference.[h] 16 He also made two capitals of cast bronze to set on the tops of the pillars; each capital was five cubits[i] high. 17 A network of interwoven chains adorned the capitals on top of the pillars, seven for each capital. 18 He made pomegranates in two rows[j] encircling each network to decorate the capitals on top of the pillars.[k] He did the same for each capital. 19 The capitals on top of the pillars in the portico were in the shape of lilies, four cubits[l] high. 20 On the capitals of both pillars, above the bowl-shaped part next to the network, were the two hundred pomegranates in rows all around. 21 He erected the pillars at the portico of the temple. The pillar to the south he named Jakin[m] and the one to the north Boaz.[n] 22 The capitals on top were in the shape of lilies. And so the work on the pillars was completed. 23 He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits[o] to measure around it. 24 Below the rim, gourds encircled it—ten to a cubit. The gourds were cast in two rows in one piece with the Sea. 25 The Sea stood on twelve bulls, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south and three facing east. The Sea rested on top of them, and their hindquarters were toward the center. 26 It was a handbreadth[p] in thickness, and its rim was like the rim of a cup, like a lily blossom. It held two thousand baths.[q] 27 He also made ten movable stands of bronze; each was four cubits long, four wide and three high.[r] 28 This is how the stands were made: They had side panels attached to uprights. 29 On the panels between the uprights were lions, bulls and cherubim—and on the uprights as well. Above and below the lions and bulls were wreaths of hammered work. 30 Each stand had four bronze wheels with bronze axles, and each had a basin resting on four supports, cast with wreaths on each side. 31 On the inside of the stand there was an opening that had a circular frame one cubit[s] deep. This opening was round, and with its basework it measured a cubit and a half.[t] Around its opening there was engraving. The panels of the stands were square, not round. 32 The four wheels were under the panels, and the axles of the wheels were attached to the stand. The diameter of each wheel was a cubit and a half. 33 The wheels were made like chariot wheels; the axles, rims, spokes and hubs were all of cast metal. 34 Each stand had four handles, one on each corner, projecting from the stand. 35 At the top of the stand there was a circular band half a cubit[u] deep. The supports and panels were attached to the top of the stand. 36 He engraved cherubim, lions and palm trees on the surfaces of the supports and on the panels, in every available space, with wreaths all around. 37 This is the way he made the ten stands. They were all cast in the same molds and were identical in size and shape. 38 He then made ten bronze basins, each holding forty baths[v] and measuring four cubits across, one basin to go on each of the ten stands. 39 He placed five of the stands on the south side of the temple and five on the north. He placed the Sea on the south side, at the southeast corner of the temple. 40 He also made the pots[w] and shovels and sprinkling bowls. So Huram finished all the work he had undertaken for King Solomon in the temple of the LORD: 41 the two pillars; the two bowl-shaped capitals on top of the pillars; the two sets of network decorating the two bowl-shaped capitals on top of the pillars; 42 the four hundred pomegranates for the two sets of network (two rows of pomegranates for each network decorating the bowl-shaped capitals on top of the pillars); 43 the ten stands with their ten basins; 44 the Sea and the twelve bulls under it; 45 the pots, shovels and sprinkling bowls. All these objects that Huram made for King Solomon for the temple of the LORD were of burnished bronze. 46 The king had them cast in clay molds in the plain of the Jordan between Sukkoth and Zarethan. 47 Solomon left all these things unweighed, because there were so many; the weight of the bronze was not determined. 48 Solomon also made all the furnishings that were in the LORD’s temple: the golden altar; the golden table on which was the bread of the Presence; 49 the lampstands of pure gold (five on the right and five on the left, in front of the inner sanctuary); the gold floral work and lamps and tongs; 50 the pure gold basins, wick trimmers, sprinkling bowls, dishes and censers; and the gold sockets for the doors of the innermost room, the Most Holy Place, and also for the doors of the main hall of the temple. 51 When all the work King Solomon had done for the temple of the LORD was finished, he brought in the things his father David had dedicated—the silver and gold and the furnishings—and he placed them in the treasuries of the LORD’s temple. 1 Kings 8
        New International Version (NIV)1 Kings 8The Ark Brought to the Temple1 Then King Solomon summoned into his presence at Jerusalem the elders of Israel, all the heads of the tribes and the chiefs of the Israelite families, to bring up the ark of the LORD’s covenant from Zion, the City of David. 2 All the Israelites came together to King Solomon at the time of the festival in the month of Ethanim, the seventh month. 3 When all the elders of Israel had arrived, the priests took up the ark, 4 and they brought up the ark of the LORD and the tent of meeting and all the sacred furnishings in it. The priests and Levites carried them up, 5 and King Solomon and the entire assembly of Israel that had gathered about him were before the ark, sacrificing so many sheep and cattle that they could not be recorded or counted. 6 The priests then brought the ark of the LORD’s covenant to its place in the inner sanctuary of the temple, the Most Holy Place, and put it beneath the wings of the cherubim. 7 The cherubim spread their wings over the place of the ark and overshadowed the ark and its carrying poles. 8 These poles were so long that their ends could be seen from the Holy Place in front of the inner sanctuary, but not from outside the Holy Place; and they are still there today. 9 There was nothing in the ark except the two stone tablets that Moses had placed in it at Horeb, where the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites after they came out of Egypt. 10 When the priests withdrew from the Holy Place, the cloud filled the temple of the LORD. 11 And the priests could not perform their service because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled his temple. 12 Then Solomon said, “The LORD has said that he would dwell in a dark cloud; 13 I have indeed built a magnificent temple for you, a place for you to dwell forever.” 14 While the whole assembly of Israel was standing there, the king turned around and blessed them. 15 Then he said: “Praise be to the LORD, the God of Israel, who with his own hand has fulfilled what he promised with his own mouth to my father David. For he said, 16 ‘Since the day I brought my people Israel out of Egypt, I have not chosen a city in any tribe of Israel to have a temple built so that my Name might be there, but I have chosen David to rule my people Israel.’ 17 “My father David had it in his heart to build a temple for the Name of the LORD, the God of Israel. 18 But the LORD said to my father David, ‘You did well to have it in your heart to build a temple for my Name. 19 Nevertheless, you are not the one to build the temple, but your son, your own flesh and blood—he is the one who will build the temple for my Name.’ 20 “The LORD has kept the promise he made: I have succeeded David my father and now I sit on the throne of Israel, just as the LORD promised, and I have built the temple for the Name of the LORD, the God of Israel. 21 I have provided a place there for the ark, in which is the covenant of the LORD that he made with our ancestors when he brought them out of Egypt.” Solomon’s Prayer of Dedication22 Then Solomon stood before the altar of the LORD in front of the whole assembly of Israel, spread out his hands toward heaven 23 and said: “LORD, the God of Israel, there is no God like you in heaven above or on earth below—you who keep your covenant of love with your servants who continue wholeheartedly in your way. 24 You have kept your promise to your servant David my father; with your mouth you have promised and with your hand you have fulfilled it—as it is today. 25 “Now LORD, the God of Israel, keep for your servant David my father the promises you made to him when you said, ‘You shall never fail to have a successor to sit before me on the throne of Israel, if only your descendants are careful in all they do to walk before me faithfully as you have done.’ 26 And now, God of Israel, let your word that you promised your servant David my father come true. 27 “But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 28 Yet give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy, LORD my God. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence this day. 29 May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 30 Hear the supplication of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place, and when you hear, forgive. 31 “When anyone wrongs their neighbor and is required to take an oath and they come and swear the oath before your altar in this temple, 32 then hear from heaven and act. Judge between your servants, condemning the guilty by bringing down on their heads what they have done, and vindicating the innocent by treating them in accordance with their innocence. 33 “When your people Israel have been defeated by an enemy because they have sinned against you, and when they turn back to you and give praise to your name, praying and making supplication to you in this temple, 34 then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your people Israel and bring them back to the land you gave to their ancestors. 35 “When the heavens are shut up and there is no rain because your people have sinned against you, and when they pray toward this place and give praise to your name and turn from their sin because you have afflicted them, 36 then hear from heaven and forgive the sin of your servants, your people Israel. Teach them the right way to live, and send rain on the land you gave your people for an inheritance. 37 “When famine or plague comes to the land, or blight or mildew, locusts or grasshoppers, or when an enemy besieges them in any of their cities, whatever disaster or disease may come, 38 and when a prayer or plea is made by anyone among your people Israel—being aware of the afflictions of their own hearts, and spreading out their hands toward this temple— 39 then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive and act; deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you alone know every human heart), 40 so that they will fear you all the time they live in the land you gave our ancestors. 41 “As for the foreigner who does not belong to your people Israel but has come from a distant land because of your name— 42 for they will hear of your great name and your mighty hand and your outstretched arm—when they come and pray toward this temple, 43 then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Do whatever the foreigner asks of you, so that all the peoples of the earth may know your name and fear you, as do your own people Israel, and may know that this house I have built bears your Name. 44 “When your people go to war against their enemies, wherever you send them, and when they pray to the LORD toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name, 45 then hear from heaven their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause. 46 “When they sin against you—for there is no one who does not sin—and you become angry with them and give them over to their enemies, who take them captive to their own lands, far away or near; 47 and if they have a change of heart in the land where they are held captive, and repent and plead with you in the land of their captors and say, ‘We have sinned, we have done wrong, we have acted wickedly’; 48 and if they turn back to you with all their heart and soul in the land of their enemies who took them captive, and pray to you toward the land you gave their ancestors, toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name; 49 then from heaven, your dwelling place, hear their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause. 50 And forgive your people, who have sinned against you; forgive all the offenses they have committed against you, and cause their captors to show them mercy; 51 for they are your people and your inheritance, whom you brought out of Egypt, out of that iron-smelting furnace. 52 “May your eyes be open to your servant’s plea and to the plea of your people Israel, and may you listen to them whenever they cry out to you. 53 For you singled them out from all the nations of the world to be your own inheritance, just as you declared through your servant Moses when you, Sovereign LORD, brought our ancestors out of Egypt.” 54 When Solomon had finished all these prayers and supplications to the LORD, he rose from before the altar of the LORD, where he had been kneeling with his hands spread out toward heaven. 55 He stood and blessed the whole assembly of Israel in a loud voice, saying: 56 “Praise be to the LORD, who has given rest to his people Israel just as he promised. Not one word has failed of all the good promises he gave through his servant Moses. 57 May the LORD our God be with us as he was with our ancestors; may he never leave us nor forsake us. 58 May he turn our hearts to him, to walk in obedience to him and keep the commands, decrees and laws he gave our ancestors. 59 And may these words of mine, which I have prayed before the LORD, be near to the LORD our God day and night, that he may uphold the cause of his servant and the cause of his people Israel according to each day’s need, 60 so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other. 61 And may your hearts be fully committed to the LORD our God, to live by his decrees and obey his commands, as at this time.” The Dedication of the Temple62 Then the king and all Israel with him offered sacrifices before the LORD. 63 Solomon offered a sacrifice of fellowship offerings to the LORD: twenty-two thousand cattle and a hundred and twenty thousand sheep and goats. So the king and all the Israelites dedicated the temple of the LORD. 64 On that same day the king consecrated the middle part of the courtyard in front of the temple of the LORD, and there he offered burnt offerings, grain offerings and the fat of the fellowship offerings, because the bronze altar that stood before the LORD was too small to hold the burnt offerings, the grain offerings and the fat of the fellowship offerings. 65 So Solomon observed the festival at that time, and all Israel with him—a vast assembly, people from Lebo Hamath to the Wadi of Egypt. They celebrated it before the LORD our God for seven days and seven days more, fourteen days in all. 66 On the following day he sent the people away. They blessed the king and then went home, joyful and glad in heart for all the good things the LORD had done for his servant David and his people Israel.

    • tekateka

      These are all Dogmas of the Catholic Faith… In reality God does not Exist, the Bible is written by wine drinking men to hold power, conquer and control the population… the stories are all fairy tale.

      It’s all a Lie… There’s nothing wrong to exercise Faith but hoping for something that will surely not happen is Ignorance…

      Filipinos should have faith in their race and to excel in anything they wish to become… right now, Filipinos are the poorest in Asia… prayer alone won’t help…

  • UrHONOR

    MARAMI na namang nabingwit na inosenteng isda ang batikang salamangkero.  KWARTA na naman!!! 

  • boymanok

    No offense to die hard Catholics but I personally prefer the very basic tenets of Catholicism back in the days which was totally different from today. Like what other bloggers said, our new brand of Catholicism  dwelt more on materialism, is more publicity conscious, highly politicized, all under the guise of faith

  • JJF724

    Let there be light!  God bless Philippines.

    • UrHONOR

      Especially in MINDANAO.

  • mchang1978

    Our Pinoy brand of spirituality tends to highlight spectacular and miraculous healings, mass demonstrations of faith, and ostentatious show of sacrifice. This explains the proliferation of Pinoy religious movements and sects even abroad. Communal exercises of faith have their merits. But remember also Jesus telling us to shut our rooms and commune with the divine source. As a people, we lack the interiority of the German mystics, the Hindu samadhis and the Zen Buddhists. Without interiority we experience dissonance in the way we conduct our lives – in private and in public sphere.  Just see how topsy-turvy our economics and politics are. We still have to evolve in this regard. When unjust socio-economic structures of the society change, there would certainly be a corresponding change in the way we view God and practice our religion. I believe that religion, instead of being an opium as Marx claimed,  ultimately liberates us from our false and perverted views of God.

  • tekateka

      These
    are all Dogmas of the Catholic Faith… In reality God does not Exist,
    the Bible is written by wine drinking men to hold power, conquer and
    control the population… the stories are all fairy tale.

    It’s all a Lie… There’s nothing wrong to exercise Faith but hoping for something that will surely not happen is Ignorance…

    Filipinos should have faith in their race and to excel in anything
    they wish to become… right now, Filipinos are the poorest in Asia…
    prayer alone won’t help…

    • juiceko

      you fool, you think you are smarter than God who created your mind and spirit. In 3 days time, you will feel the tremble of His Might!

      • tekateka

        hu tawt yu dat?

      • juiceko

         My Father!

      • tekateka

         is he a priest?

      • juiceko

         The Father who created the universe including a dust like you. Arrogance has no place in my Father’s Kingdom. For soon you will realize the value of life. Life is nothing without God.

      • tekateka

        You are crazy… educate yourself.. seek facts…

        I have nothing against Religion… we have that freedom.. but what the Catholic church is doing to Filipinos is totally ludicrous… we are doing better before they came and indocrinate our poor people… they taught us to just obey and not question… while grabbing our lands and raping our lands natural riches…

      • juiceko

        facts all around you. See the wonders of this world and the rest of the universe. You are a blind person waiting for the right time to be healed. Even if you have Phd’s can’t save you when the great tribulation begins..

      • MrPaulJ

         I hope so that he has PhD…. but i guess he is lucky to have BS or AB

      • tekateka

         If God created the atom? then who created God? Give me facts…

      • juiceko

        Read the bible so you will now God better but remember you should have that Faith!

      • tekateka

         Bible is authored and written by mere mortals.. . Just like today’s novels or fiction books, fairy tales… None of them have even met Jesus… how can you say that it is the ‘word of god’… Did it fall from heaven?

      • KapitanBagwis

         You know that there is air that you breath but you can not see…God is spirit that you can not see but by FAITH you know He is there

      • tekateka

        But there is air… there is gravity… but are you sure that God created all of these? Just give me a single fact… Please don’t quote the Bible, it is not part of our historical facts…

      • KapitanBagwis

        The Bible is also a history book..if you don’t believe the Bible, who am I to insist..I do not want to get into a never ending debate..if you do not believe that there is a Supreme Being who created all things, so be it.

      • READMENOW2011

        If it is not God who put all these then, WHO?

      • tekateka

        Anybody but God

  • KapitanBagwis

    The fools say to themselves, “there is no God” They sin and commit evil deeds; none of them does what is right. ~ Psalm 14:1 …..Atheist holiday is April fools day.

    • tekateka

      Evil deeds? muslims? catholic
      christians? how many people have you murdered and burned… religion is
      true evil… atheists and agnostics are living in the Age of Reason… 

      They are the smartest people in this planet.. scientists, leaders,
      artists. Go to prison and all you see are Catholics and Religious
      Nuts… you are living in the Dark Ages…

      • juiceko

        gather all the atheist and agnostics including you, create your miracles and call your reason Mammon behind you. Let us see who will prevail in my Father’s name, the God who created your minds.

      • tekateka

        The irony is, I Am A Catholic…. If there is a church for Agnostics or Atheists, I’ll probably go there…. but no, it is just their own personal preference to question and to doubt… Freedom of Reason is beautiful… nobody’s getting burned alive… savor life as you can…

      • KapitanBagwis

         Why don’t you start or build your church  for scientist like you.

      • tekateka

         If you will be my first member… I will… but it’s just a personal preference, no big deal… It just saddened me to see how poor Filipinos are being manipulated.. what choice do they have?

      • juiceko

         that’s why you have a mind to choose between God or Mammon.

      • tekateka

        Why do you have to choose? Who are these people who tell you to choose… We’re you a Catholic the day you were born? All people are born without any belief… they don’t know what or who is God… until they were endocrinated without any choice…

      • lanceseraphim

        faith against reason; reason against faith. Faith is Not a choice, rather it is more of a gift from God, although it is given to men who choose faith at the outset

      • UrHONOR

        BULL’s EYE!!!

      • UrHONOR

        Mas masarap ata ang pan de sal sa mammon.

      • KapitanBagwis

        But I am not a fool or an Atheist

      • tekateka

        So you are calling james cameron, jodie foster, bill gates, ernest hemingway, katherine hepburn, billy joel, diane keaton, jack nicholson, keanu reeves and thousands of other celebrities, scientists, artists as fools? compared to these atheists … you are just a turd… sorry, that’s for implying that i am a fool

      • KapitanBagwis

         I don’t care about those people you mentioned…and if calling me turd is your brand of personality…your kind of people who don’t believe in God..pathetic

      • tekateka

         Do you really “Believe” that Manny Pacquiao is talking to God?

      • KapitanBagwis

        Nothing is impossible with GOD.

      • lanceseraphim

        ernest hemingway? he who committed suicide because his reason led him to alcoholism and emptiness of life?

      • KapitanBagwis

         It’s the Bible who said you are a fool…not me.

      • juiceko

         create your own, so that you will become their leader. For I will stand in my Father’s name, it does not matter any more what kind of religion but as long as they believe in one God, and love one another… for all of these follows all Prophets has been thought to us. It never change. For I will tell you tell you gather all the greatest scientist in this century to find the Earth’s mirror of the same condition that  can support life. I will answer them none. There are billions of it but there’s no other planet they called planet Earth. The book of life is true.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VBM5QQOMLKQS4TA5V5G73ZK42M Modeson

        yes, enjoy your life for a while! that is the attitude of those who do not believe, the beauty of this world are so attractive to them, their freedom of reason has got the better of their souls. have you forgotten that life is so short? why do something good when you are not expecting something better in the afterlife? who created man and everything that exist if there is no Creator?

      • tekateka

         Watch this video and tell me how could have God existed?

        Youtube:

        Curiosity with Stephen Hawking, Did God Create the Universe?

      • tekateka

         Here’s my explanation why there is NO GOD

        YOUTUBE:

        Stephen Hawking: Does God Exist?

         

      • juiceko

         my explanation has been written already long before Stephen Hawking and you have been born in this world. People always wants miracle in order for them to believe. One has to read the book of life in order for them to know that the God of the past and the present still the same. One has to humble down and lower themselves before the Lord.

      • KapitanBagwis

         So you say

    • anu12345

      I’m one of those fools. Bata pa ako, hindi na ako naniniwala diyan. But if there is at least one ‘smart’ person who can provide verifiable evidence that god exists, hindi ako mahirap kausapin. To be sure, I have not done anything bad in my life either.

      If you’re lone evidence is that book of fictions, tell me in that story, which one commited almost all the atrocities and  murders in the old testament? The supposed hero was actually the villain. The supposed villain was very seldom mentioned.  But people don’t want to acknowledge it.

      At least I know why I don’t believe in god, do you know why you do?

      • KapitanBagwis

        Tekateka…another member of your church !!

      • juiceko

         wait in the coming days. If Jesus Christ is not enough for you along with the rest of the Prophet’s teachings, when the outpouring begins and you don’t have any idea that you already received the blessings of the spirit, poor you, for you have worship science as your pedestal of truth. You can’t count the strands of you hair, not even the stars above you but my God does long before you have born in the world.

    • UrHONOR

      An ATHEIST who knows and understands and can speak reasonably about  his persuasion is a TON BETTER than bible-quoting-holier-than-thou parrots that simply repeats what they hear from their “masters” with no clue what “IT’S” all about.

      • KapitanBagwis

        So you say…good for you. You are now the 3rd member of tekateka church and I’m proud of you

  • INQ_reader

    One objectionable thing about Catholisicm, it has always been a numbers game. However, since 2007, there are more Muslims than Catholics. Yet, priest’s way of thinking never changed.

    • anu12345

       If you refer to Arab and other muslim countries, you are definitely right. But your sentence implies globallly which is far from the truth. In the Philippines, it is lopsided in favor of Catholics. They say islam is the fastest growing religion though.

      • KapitanBagwis

        That is because they are multiplying as fast as they can.

      • INQ_reader

        I’m referring to global population. Just go to Wikipedia to verify.

        Why limit the argument to the Philippines? Is God different in the Philippines and in other countries?

    • READMENOW2011

      What can you say about Francis of Assisi?What is your opinion about Pope John Paul II?What can you say about Mother Theresa of Calcutta?What can you say about Thomas Aquinas?What can you say about Thomas More?What can you say about John Vianne?These are only a few…

      • INQ_reader

        Thanks for confirming my observation that Catholicism is a numbers game, by mentioning a NUMBER of alleged holy people, hoping to convince others through sheer number.

    • mhertz

      Why do we care of what Muslims are increasing in numbers or what are they concerned of?  Our beliefs is not for a competition of everyone? We are here with a conviction of what we stand for and not for how people outside our faith will judge us. Tme me pass away but one still remain, God is the truth and the life.  That whoever believes in Him shall have eternal life.  And not only belive but carry it out through actions.

      • INQ_reader

        What you said is the theory, not the actual practice. This news article is a perfect example.

  • arnella

    most Filipinos are Catholics,  BUT they are not PRACTICING CATHOLICS,  there’s a VERY BIG difference between being Catholic BY NAME and Catholic BY ACTION….like the politicians  who goto churches, donate to charities, and have very big altar in their homes, but in their conduct of their work they are not CATHOLICS otherwise PHILS.  would be a better country a long time ago pa….

    • KapitanBagwis

      The Philippine brand of Catholicism is Roman Catholic which is under the Vatican, which in reality is a government by itself and a political machine…Vatican is a government within a government.

    • UrHONOR

      SIMPLE lang yan.  Those who can not PRACTISE….PREACH or TEACH.

  • Candro

    Plain and simple IDOLATRY! Not surprised if a disaster strikes again!

    • mhertz

      Disaster is part of nature and somewhat mens negligence. Idolatry even if it is one and the same God we praise and worship?  We may have different ways of worshipping God but at the end of the day it is the same God that we worship.  If God is for us, then who can be against us?

  • UrHONOR

    IF you believe in JC’s teachings and principles, then, by all means, FOLLOW HIM.  But definitely not the CHURCH put up by men to further their self-interests.  JC is different from the church that is run by people whose main objective is the preservation of its hierarchy, NOT THE FOLLOWING of JC’s teachings that’s very well documented by history and the present practice of the organization where its material wealth is well advanced than the basic needs and requirements of its members.  In fact, not only the RCCh, but all the other denominations using the name of JC and god to promote the personal welfare of its leaders (kuno).  Behold….WALANG mahirap na namumuno ng isang religious organization, samantalang ang kanilang mga members na $UMU$UPORTA sa kanila ay isang kahig, isang tuka.  At yong iba pa nga, kahig-lang-ng kahit wala namang natutuka.  Yong mga leaders nila?  Kahit na hindi kumahig, parating tumutuka…at maraming natutukang matutuka.

    AGAIN, it is BEST to follow and observe the teachings and principles of someone worth emulating, rather than following the precepts and procedures of that someone’s AMUYONGS

    • READMENOW2011

      What can you say about Francis of Assisi?

      What is your opinion about Pope John Paul II?

      What can you say about Mother Theresa of Calcutta?

      What can you say about Thomas Aquinas?

      What can you say about Thomas More?

      What can you say about John Vianne?

      These are only a few…

      • UrHONOR

        ANO pa?  E di tao silang lahat.  Bakit, what are you expecting to hear???  

        You mentioned ONLY a few?  Sama mo na lahat, kabayan.  Kahit na ibalunbon mo pa sa grupo mong yan si Elvis at si Jordan, TAO pa din silang lahat.  Not any different from any other human being….1 head, 2 feet, 2 hands, etc!!!

      • READMENOW2011

        Please read their life story and you may appreciate the Catholicism in them.  

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VBM5QQOMLKQS4TA5V5G73ZK42M Modeson

        They have one thing in common: they all worship Jesus 

        Christ as God; if that is the case, they all died in the state of unbelief!

      • UrHONOR

        It might interest you to know that I have gone through all books about  LIVES of the SAINTS…..WRITTEN by TAO.  CONCLUSION?  TAO silang lahat.  Pero sa mata ng iba, higit pa sa tao.  NANSENS!  Catholicism in not in any person….it is a system made up of TAO for the furtherance of a common interest.  
        GINAWANG negosyo si JC ng RCCH.  KUNG naniniwala sa mga kaisipan ni JC, GAYAHIN si JC.  HINDI ang pagtatanghud sa RCCh na wala namang kapangyarihan sa buhay ninuman kundi ang mangolekta ng pera…..pagsasamantala sa kahinaan at kbutihang-loob ng TAO.

        Read the writings of Joseph Campbell, Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking, Daniel Ropes…..yeah, even Wayne Dwyer.

        Please study the basic foundation of your beliefs and you may appreciate your intellect more than your emotions.

        And, oh, please remove those WHITE BLINDERS from your eyes so you can see what’s all around you.

  • absg

    The ghastly shrine done in poor taste. How many crosses does a shrine need? Clearly more than three. It’s the perfect example of the Disney-fication of Catholicism in the Philippines. “Hold picnics, shoot photos, sample Lucban delicacies… the shrine has it all.” LOL.

  • READMENOW2011

    What can you say about Francis of Assisi?What is your opinion about Pope John Paul II?What can you say about Mother Theresa of Calcutta?What can you say about Thomas Aquinas?What can you say about Thomas More?What can you say about John Vianne?These are only a few…

  • kayanatwo

    08apr2012

    only in the motherland where religion is used to make money at all cost. commercialism as its best. where else where faith are used just to attracts people to spent money?. pure mockery of religion with tint of blasphemy.

  • kilabot

    when man is in dire need of something, he clings to anything. otherwise, he goes and satisfies the cravings of the flesh. nothing is new under the sun.

  • quirinomayer

    What is important is how these million Catholics who visited the shrine would live the rest of their lives. If this  Holy Week and the visit to the shrine is just a religious break in their sinful lives and upon arrival from the pilgrimage they would just the same go back to their immorality and vices, all their activities during the Holy Week and the visit to the shrine  are worth nothing in the sight of God. 

  • $23257130

    mga paring katoliko, ipokrito child rapists, molesters. nakakadiri kayo nagtatago kayo sa image ni god. pweeeeee!

    • KapitanBagwis

       Hindi naman lahat…..

    • mhertz

      hahah…Honestly I don’t think your self-righteousness can bring you somewhere not even in heaven.  Yes there are Catholic priest who have gone astray but at the end of the day it is only God who have the right to judge.  You are not God, therefore you are not free from blemishes.  Also not all priest have gone astray, there are also those faithful to their vows. Judging them in general is not even just.

      • Monos Futbol

        I like these people who use “gone astray” as a euphemism for rape and child abuse. they’re like their bishops–very good at covering for the errant priests.

      • mhertz

        Honestly, prove your case factually, coz’ otherwise it is all but hearsays.  If you condemn, condemn them justly and not just from a biased media or wherever you may heared of it.  And we are all sinners and fallen short of God’s mercy.  And the church is a militant church here in earth with human being as we are.  Far from perfection so don’t expect the church on earth to be perfect. Don’t follow the preacher itself but what the preacher preach in accordance to God’s teachings.

      • Monos Futbol

        Really? What cave are you staying in that you haven’t heard of the abuses of the clergy and the church authorities reaction to these abuses? Also, don’t use the “human as we are” excuse because it just doesn’t work. Like the child molestation cases in the US and elsewhere, all the Church authorities did was to pay millions of dollars (from the LIMOS of the faithful) as settlement instead of allowing these priests to serve time in prison. We have similar cases here in the Philippines, but many remain unreported because of the power of the priests and Catholicism in our communities. Follow what the preacher preaches? HA! I’d rather concern myself with other things than your self-righteous bull$h*t.

    • READMENOW2011

      What can you say about Francis of Assisi?What is your opinion about Pope John Paul II?What can you say about Mother Theresa of Calcutta?What can you say about Thomas Aquinas?What can you say about Thomas More?What can you say about John Vianne?These are only a few…Reading  their life story maybe a good start for your journey home … to the Mother Church….

      • tekateka

         Here’s my explanation why there is NO GOD

        YOUTUBE:

        Stephen Hawking: Does God Exist?

         

  • mangtom

    Yes, I believe Pacquiao is talking to God. Anyone whose head has been like Manny’s talks to anyone God or any deity. How does one dispute that?

  • mangtom

    The word battered should be placed between the words been and like in my previous post.

    • KapitanBagwis

       you can edit your post if you need to.

  • Monos Futbol

    About a quarter of the crowd were Led Zepellin fans, wishing to ascend the stairs named after the song of this legendary rock band.

  • bisdakis

    This is the best business to venture in the Philippines right now. No tax, less capital,  and the market is strong forever!

    • mhertz

      The Catholic church pay taxes of the services rendered, and mostly the faithful already pay taxes to the corrupt government prior to voluntary donations made to the church.  IF you still tax the church, that is double  taxation.  Really I mean what the fuss, you don’t contribute but the same time you whined?

  • http://www.facebook.com/ballitocben Ben Ballitoc

    Read your Bible if this is right or wrong!!!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      you don’t understand your bible, this is what the bible say; “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.”  Its different from what you’ve post Thou shalt not make graven images of God.” Ang pinagbabawal ay gumawa ng mga rebulto ng mga nilikha ng Diyos at sambahin at gawing diyos. Si Jesus-Cristo ay Diyos kayat di kasalanan na gumawa ng imahe nya upang maalala ang pagiging tao ng Diyos. Nanliligaw ka palibhasa ligaw na ligaw kana sa paniniwala mo.

      • tekateka

         Here’s my explanation why there is NO GOD

        YOUTUBE:

        Stephen Hawking: Does God Exist?

         

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VBM5QQOMLKQS4TA5V5G73ZK42M Modeson

        Jesus is not GOD ALMIGHTY but just a man like you and me! As such he is also a creation of the One True God. Didn’t the Bible say that “No one has seen God at anytime?” Any graven image of anything is absolutely prohibited and who does that and worships the same is committing a very great sin.

      • mhertz

        Do Catholics Worship Statues?

        “Catholics worship statues!” People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: “You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them” (Ex. 20:4–5); “Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold” (Ex. 32:31). It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues. Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, “God has forbidden the use of images in worship” (281). Yet if people were to “search the scriptures” (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts! God Said To Make ThemPeople who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be” (Ex. 25:18–20). David gave Solomon the plan “for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan” (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was “by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all,” included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, “On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim.” The Religious Uses of ImagesDuring a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to “make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live” (Num. 21:8–9). One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations. Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then by using these “graven” images, they would be practicing the “idolatry” of which they accuse Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use of religious images. It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god (whom they named “Nehushtan”), the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4). What About Bowing?Sometimes anti-Catholics cite Deuteronomy 5:9, where God said concerning idols, “You shall not bow down to them.” Since many Catholics sometimes bow or kneel in front of statues of Jesus and the saints, anti-Catholics confuse the legitimate veneration of a sacred image with the sin of idolatry. Though bowing can be used as a posture in worship, not all bowing is worship. In Japan, people show respect by bowing in greeting (the equivalent of the Western handshake). Similarly, a person can kneel before a king without worshipping him as a god. In the same way, a Catholic who may kneel in front of a statue while praying isn’t worshipping the statue or even praying to it, any more than the Protestant who kneels with a Bible in his hands when praying is worshipping the Bible or praying to it. Hiding the Second Commandment?Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is that the Catholic Church “hides” the second commandment. This is because in Catholic catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3), and the second is listed as “You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain.” (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But this is false. Catholics simply group the commandments differently from most Protestants. In Exodus 20:2–17, which gives the Ten Commandments, there are actually fourteen imperative statements. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3) and “You shall not make for yourself a graven image” (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command. Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, “Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy,” though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11). When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as “You shall have no other gods before me.” This is no attempt to “hide” the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier. The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, “The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities” (CCC 2066). The Form of God?Some anti-Catholics appeal to Deuteronomy 4:15–18 in their attack on religious statues: “[S]ince you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth.” We’ve already shown that God doesn’t prohibit the making of statues or images of various creatures for religious purposes (cf. 1 Kgs. 6:29–32, 8:6–66; 2 Chr. 3:7–14). But what about statues or images that represent God? Many Protestants would say that’s wrong because Deuteronomy 4 says the Israelites did not see God under any form when he made the covenant with them, therefore we should not make symbolic representations of God either. But does Deuteronomy 4 forbid such representations? The Answer Is NoEarly in its history, Israel was forbidden to make any depictions of God because he had not revealed himself in a visible form. Given the pagan culture surrounding them, the Israelites might have been tempted to worship God in the form of an animal or some natural object (e.g., a bull or the sun). But later God did reveal himself under visible forms, such as in Daniel 7:9: “As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was Ancient of Days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire.” Protestants make depictions of the Father under this form when they do illustrations of Old Testament prophecies. The Holy Spirit revealed himself under at least two visible forms—that of a dove, at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32), and as tongues of fire, on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4). Protestants use these images when drawing or painting these biblical episodes and when they wear Holy Spirit lapel pins or place dove emblems on their cars. But, more important, in the Incarnation of Christ his Son, God showed mankind an icon of himself. Paul said, “He is the image (Greek: ikon) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” Christ is the tangible, divine “icon” of the unseen, infinite God. We read that when the magi were “going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshipped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold, frankincense, and myrrh” (Matt. 2:11). Though God did not reveal a form for himself on Mount Horeb, he did reveal one in the house in Bethlehem. The bottom line is, when God made the New Covenant with us, he did reveal himself under a visible form in Jesus Christ. For that reason, we can make representations of God in Christ. Even Protestants use all sorts of religious images: Pictures of Jesus and other biblical persons appear on a myriad of Bibles, picture books, T-shirts, jewelry, bumper stickers, greeting cards, compact discs, and manger scenes. Christ is even symbolically represented through the Icthus or “fish emblem.” Common sense tells us that, since God has revealed himself in various images, most especially in the incarnate Jesus Christ, it’s not wrong for us to use images of these forms to deepen our knowledge and love of God. That’s why God revealed himself in these visible forms, and that’s why statues and pictures are made of them. Idolatry Condemned by the ChurchSince the days of the apostles, the Catholic Church has consistently condemned the sin of idolatry. The early Church Fathers warn against this sin, and Church councils also dealt with the issue. The Second Council of Nicaea (787), which dealt largely with the question of the religious use of images and icons, said, “[T]he one who redeemed us from the darkness of idolatrous insanity, Christ our God, when he took for his bride his holy Catholic Church . . . promised he would guard her and assured his holy disciples saying, ‘I am with you every day until the consummation of this age.’ . . . To this gracious offer some people paid no attention; being hoodwinked by the treacherous foe they abandoned the true line of reasoning . . . and they failed to distinguish the holy from the profane, asserting that the icons of our Lord and of his saints were no different from the wooden images of satanic idols.” The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566) taught that idolatry is committed “by worshipping idols and images as God, or believing that they possess any divinity or virtue entitling them to our worship, by praying to, or reposing confidence in them” (374). “Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who ‘transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God’” (CCC 2114). The Church absolutely recognizes and condemns the sin of idolatry. What anti-Catholics fail to recognize is the distinction between thinking a piece of stone or plaster is a god and desiring to visually remember Christ and the saints in heaven by making statues in their honor. The making and use of religious statues is a thoroughly biblical practice. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know his Bible.

  • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

    Disgusting.  I am sure Jesus is rolling over in his grave.  For sure there is no shortage of ignorance today. 

    • KapitanBagwis

       Jesus rolling over in His grave??? I believe He was resurrected on Easter Sunday.

      • Monos Futbol

        Really, you saw Him? When you do, let us know.

      • KapitanBagwis

         Sure I will..

      • Monos Futbol

        Seriously, dude. A guy with a fake beard in the resurrection tableau by the Church is not Him. If you see the real Him and you’re alive, it only means one thing: a quick psychiatric check helps.

      • KapitanBagwis

        So you say..good for you and I’m very proud of you for being so intelligent..a genius hehehe

      • LAMBFORGOVERNOR

        mary magdalena started that rumor which eventually became a philosophy.. . we call that philosophy christanity… now it has become a billion dollar business… imagine .. the mother of christanity was a prostitute… and billions for jesus… roll over beethoven…

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        Jesus rolling over in His grave??? I believe He was resurrected on Easter Sunday. Link to comment

      • KapitanBagwis

        Thank you for your ignorance of the living God!! USA, the most powerful nation on earth, acknowledged that their nation is ONE NATION UNDER GOD…Presidents takes their oath of office touching the Word of God, the Bible..and you a mere creation mocked His existence? May God forgive you for your ignorance.

  • isalexus

    So business was roaring– I wonder how much was the collection for the lent season alone!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AMJELOIRPVHIXJ25XJDKJSJXQE Biboy Palaboy

      Wow! Bakit kaya pag simbahan dinudumog ng tao, “pera” kagad nasaisipan mo???
      Kabubuhay lang ni Kristo, naghuhusga ka kagad sa tao. Marami ding namata kaya nagpunta sa lugar na yun.

      Wag ka sanang UTAK BIYA!!!

  • tekateka

    To help these ignorant fools… watch this in youtube…

    Stephen Hawking: Does God Exist?

    • juiceko

      defining ignorant fool = You.

      • tekateka

         THERE IS NO GOD…

        Youtube:

        Curiosity with Stephen Hawking, Did God Create the Universe?

      • juiceko

         Stephen Hawking is a Scientist, but his weakness are woman. He can’t make them stay. The same mystery between Universe and Woman. That’s my Father answered him. You get what I mean Tekateka?

      • tekateka

         Yeah… see how wonderful it is to have Freedom? Back in the old ways.. I could’ve been burned already in front of these fanatics…

    • KapitanBagwis

       Who is Stephen Hawking? Another member of your church?

      • tekateka

         WOW! are you really this DUM$#????

      • KapitanBagwis

        A man without God is showing his true color ..
        all Atheist like you?? How’s your church going??

      • tekateka

         What Church? You need more education brother….

        An atheist Church defeats the purpose of being an atheist…

        Theist – someone who believes that a deity exists… that is YOU.
        Atheist – is the exact opposite…

        So bro, You are a THEIST…

      • KapitanBagwis

        Didn’t you say you will put up your own church if I will join? What education?? Didn’t I just told you just a click of my mouse I can find out what I want to know..my mouse is need to know basis only…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZHYZ3SHEDYBKIWZG5LNSXDYRZ4 cedric bryan

    Wasn’t the church advocating the faithful to detach from tradition? Or are they too desperate for followers (cash)!  The church should be taxed! All churches for that matter!!! This is the very thing that keeps the country poor!!! Dogma is the worst enemy the state can have!!!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZHYZ3SHEDYBKIWZG5LNSXDYRZ4 cedric bryan

    The catholic church in the philippines is confusing the people between dogma and spirituality! they are totally different things!

  • tekateka

    THERE IS NO GOD…

    Youtube:

    Curiosity with Stephen Hawking, Did God Create the Universe?

     

    • Monos Futbol

      If you think there’s no GOD, don’t be posting Stephen Hawking quotes. That’s as lazy as all the fundamentalists around here.

      • tekateka

        Watch the Video and tell me your thoughts.. you are lucky you have the answers… in a click of your mouse… when others die trying to find out the truth…

        Youtube:

        Curiosity with Stephen Hawking, Did God Create the Universe?

      • KapitanBagwis

         What truth?? Yours and Hawking truth????

      • tekateka

        The Truth that what this Religion is teaching is all but a Lie… they punished Galileo for saying that the earth revolves around the sun… explain me that… and now they apologized?

      • KapitanBagwis

         What Religion are you talking about? If you are talking about the Roman Catholic, pardon me I am not a Catholic.

    • juiceko

       Tell Stephen Hawking and all the best scientist in this world to gather, include yourself. Find a spaceship and roam around the universe if they can find another Earth, if your lucky enough to find one, all the unbelievers should go. Settle there and breath without the aid of oxygen suit. If you can’t find any, you are still welcome in this beautiful Earth. Are you ready to search for that answer?

      • tekateka

        Why did the church apologize to Galileo Galilei ???

        Youtube:

        Curiosity with Stephen Hawking, Did God Create the Universe?

      • juiceko

         Answer first my question, if you can find another Earth and settle for good for the unbelievers like you. The book of Life is unique in it’s own way. Tell Stephen Hawking, why woman can’t be with him forever, what a lonely man, and so are you.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VBM5QQOMLKQS4TA5V5G73ZK42M Modeson

        perhaps another challenge to that guy and all the scientists all over the world is to gather and join together to create a single living FLY. they can even call for help satan and his minions for this endeavor. That is the Almighty’s challenge! If they cannot and surely they cannot, then FEAR the Hellfire prepared for the unbelievers… 

    • KapitanBagwis

      Hawking has a motor neurone disease related to amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, a condition that has progressed over the years. He is now almost completely paralysed and communicates through a speech generating device. He has been married twice and has three children. ~ Excerpts from Stephen Hawking,,,WIKIPEDIA

      There is your idol…punished by the living God…and don’t ask me how I know…I just know. Like you said I am dumb…thank you

      • tekateka

         Well, that’s nice… did you educate yourself and watch the video? knowledge is power you know… do yourself a favor… It’s the future already… don’t hide yourself under a rock… it’s not a sin nor you should you feel guilt.. Religion is tolerated.. I still go to church just to be with my wife and child… and give donations.. don’t worry about me…

      • KapitanBagwis

        Oh!! you go to church…hypocrite, aren’t you !! I don’t need to educate myself… I can find what I need with just a click of the mouse or rat or whatever…Little knowledge is dangerous too… hehehe

      • tekateka

         I can go wherever I want, I can think of whatever subject I have questions with… I can say whatever I have in my mind and heart… Back in the early days of Religion… You will be Burned To Death… That’s what you call “THE INQUISITION”

        If you question if God Really Exist.. The Church will Burn You Alive…

      • KapitanBagwis

        This is a free country,but surely being a learned man that you are,you know the meaning of the simple word hypocrite.

      • tekateka

         yes, you need to learn the word hypocrite and analyze how to apply it… I say ‘just to be with my kid and wife’ nothing else, we don’t know anybody in church.. it’s just a place like a mall… so where’s hypocrisy in there? i was not on fire… or maybe you were hoping that i’ll get burned?

      • KapitanBagwis

         Hypocrisy there is denying God and  then going to His house…a wise man like you knows the difference between a church and a mall.

      • lanceseraphim

        Hahaha, indeed atheists go to church for the sake of their children. Our church always exhorts us to pass our faith to our children no matter how inadequate we feel doing it, If you are strong in your conviction as to your atheism then why dont you pass your atheistic beliefs to your children, if indeed you are certain about it for after all it might be good to them.

      • tekateka

        As I say, we are not living in the Dark Ages, we all have our Freedoms and Choices…

      • lanceseraphim

         …and do your child a favor, you must teach him to follow Christ, that would be the most precious gift you can give to your child as a father…god bless you, brother

      • Monos Futbol

        Punished by the living God? And you call yourself Christian! HA!

      • KapitanBagwis

        Yes I am and what has that got to do with his punishment? HA!!God spit him out of His mouth for denying Him. But I do not expect you to know that.

      • Monos Futbol

        HAHAHA. You self-righteous nutjob! Go to the psychiatrist fast! Take your meds! 

      • KapitanBagwis

        That all you can say now??? Resorting to insult and name calling?? Very shallow and pathetic, aren’t you? Thank you anyway…and whether you like it or not God loves you…bless your soul

      • Monos Futbol

        I am shallow and you are deep. ;P

      • KapitanBagwis

        Think what you want, that is your prerogative.

      • tamumd

        Your god is very inconsistent….he gave Stephen Hawking ALS if that is what you believe happened yet he also gave him a very smart brain to the point that he holds the highest professorship in physics at Oxford and refuses to believe in your god!!! Your god is then stupid..he should have just finished the guy or not allowed him to be born, why make him a genius and be famous and yet he would deny his creator? That’s counterintuitive!! Or maybe he doesn’t exist?

      • KapitanBagwis

        “For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength” ~ 1Corinthian 1:25

        Your idol believed he is god and with so much pride, like Lucifer, was his downfall. My God is perfect. Who can fathom His infinite wisdom? A mere creation like you? The most powerful nation on earth acknowledged that theirs is ONE NATION UNDER GOD, high government officials are sworn in touching the Bible..witnesses in court are sworn in under oath touching the Bible, and you a mere creation doubt His existence.? May God forgive you for being another doubting Thomas.

      • Monos Futbol

        kapitanBagwis, you have been struck by the most horrible punishment given by God. You are a delusional idiot.

      • KapitanBagwis

        Thank you..I think you just described yourself. Hurts to know the truth?? You have so much hate in yourself and I pity you. Your comments shows it.

      • Monos Futbol

        HAHA. You are delusional and a shame to whatever church you belong too. Your comments show that you know nothing of science or of any book for that matter and your knowledge of the Bible is based on bible comics. Read more  or go to school. It will make your brain cells work for a change!

      • KapitanBagwis

        Thank you again for your suggestion..I might just do that just to please your ego. Maybe it is you who is hard to understand my comment, nevertheless I will still pray for your enlightenment because I can strongly feel and reading between the lines of your comment that you are possessed by the devil…did you know that anger is a sin? Maybe you don’t. Bless your soul or do you have one?

      • Guest

        Tell me Futbol, why are you so obsessed with my comments..I am no longer replying to you but you keep insulting me…the bible says we will be persecuted for our faith…but we were taught to pray for those who persecute us..I will forgive you for mocking me not only 7 times but 7 X 7 times as the good book says.

      • Monos Futbol

        Yeah, do that! Go back to school so you’d learn more about the world than gods, demons, and the Bible. You can use science and knowledge for nation-building than your hate-mongering and blind faith. Calling a man with ALS like Stephen Hawking as stricken by God’s punishment is more evil and vile. You are the one that is possessed by self-righteous vanity and filth. I don’t need false prophets like you to bless me. Be gone, you evil prophet!

      • KapitanBagwis

        Before I was having second thought if you are possessed by the devil, but now I am very sure that you are possessed by a legion of demons. I am really very worried about the condition or state of your mind..tsk tsk tsk..you see, you do not even realized that the knowledge you are talking about is just a click away with my mouse. Pathetic..I will no longer waste my time with because I think you are already going insane..it shows in your post

      • Monos Futbol

        Haha. Worry about yourself, dude. Your brain has shrunk to the size of an atom because the only literature you ever read in your life is the bible comics. It’s so pathetic how you compare education with “one click of the mouse.” HAHA! In your world, anyone who disagrees with you are demons. You must be in such a terrible situation. You seriously need help. 

      • KapitanBagwis

        (*_^)

      • KapitanBagwis

        Tell me Futbol, why are you so obsessed with my comments..I am no longer replying to you but you keep insulting me…the bible says we will be persecuted for our faith…but we were taught to pray for those who persecute us..I will forgive you for mocking me not only 7 times but 7 X 7 times as the good book says.

      • KapitanBagwis

         I will pray for your healing whatever is ailing you…to release you from bondage of hatred. Again I say bless your soul.

      • UrHONOR

        That condition of  SHawking has been there for years already.  The guy is believed by some quarters to be better than Einstein and is highly respected by all…..except the deaf and dumb.

        Ss JohnPaul II, had a debilitating disease, punished by your god?  Mother Theresa died of a disease, punished by your god?  Lincoln, Kennedy, Luther King, Gandhi et al shot dead, punished by your god?  Magsaysay dies in a plane crash, punished by your god? JC nailed to the cross, punished by your god?  Your god certainly enjoys punishments

      • KapitanBagwis

        Who can fathom the infinite wisdom of God. The other personalities that you mentioned, did they deny the existence of God? Do you even know what the bible says about people who deny God? But I will not waste my time teaching you.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VE7FOU3LEDDIOOB2GN2LQF2MGE Al

      Simple reasoning of your pronouncements: You’re an abused and molested person when you’re still a kid/child.  No parents to talk to.  You don’t have any brother/s and sister/s.  No real friends.

      Pity on you bro.  Life is good for whatever situation you are now.  We are praying for you brother!  Keep on smiling.

      • tekateka

        Don’t worry about me bro.. I’m doing well.. I’m happy and tried my best to help others in need. I am free from the dogmas of the Church… Almost all of those corrupt politicians in RP and criminals in prison.. are all your brothers……  pray for them instead…

        As I say, nothing wrong with Religion… it is tolerated with respect…
        And because I am Free to Think…. I should be tolerated also with respect…

        If you say there is GOD.. okay fine, there is God…

        If I say there is No God.. are you going to kill me?

      • Monos Futbol

        Al, simple reasoning of your pronouncements too: You’re an abuser and a molester when you were still a kid/child. You have parents who abuse to talk to. You have brothers and sisters who molested you. You have real molester friends.

        Pity on you bro. Life is good for whatever situation you are now. We are praying for you brother! Keep on smiling.

    • lanceseraphim

       to controvert once and for all stephen hawking’s curiosity. and if you are fair to your fair and open mind, read and absorb thomas aquinas’ five ways to prove the existence of god. your brilliant mind might probably, i hope,find resonance in them, to ponder while you accompany or fetch your children at your church, these arguments do not appeal to emotion, to sentiments or pious inclinations, but to reason, for you call the believers ignorants.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XY4AW6ZJBAPIJ33L7KX6M3IOQI c

    nakakatawa naman mga nag-aargue sa article na eto. di ba kayo napapagod? hihihihih. matapos man ang mundo di pa kayo tapos mag-argue. kanya kanyang opinyon talaga yan pagdating sa religion. kung ano paniwala mo, fine. buhay mo yan. kung ano many opinion ng iba, buhay din nila yon. basta malinis kunsensya natin pareho-pareho at wala tayong tinatapakan na ibang tao (or hayop) :)

  • noonyan

    Million WALA PA RING PAG IISIP

    • pinoyjunk

      hehehe. isip ka ng isip … hindi mo pa rin maisip … 

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WERIBF2QR5XA54SQP6WD2JLMNI Jon

      oo nga kasi talino mo…kawawa naman kami!

      • noonyan

         hindi yan sa talino…sa pag iisip yan dre  MAG ISIP ka!!! HEHEHEHE

      • khaled mariscal

        I think you should read. The church caters to the ignorance of the laity. Siyempre naman, papaano pa sila magkakaroon ng revenue kung very learned na ang mga tao…

  • noonyan

    sariling pag iisip lang mga kabayan kung may DIYOS o WALA ..gamitin nyo utak nyo sayang lang kakalawangin lang yan hehehehe

    • nestleraisinets

      eh ano ngayon kung meron o wala sa paningin mo? Respeto respeto lang yan. Basta ang mahalaga mabuhay ka ng mabuti at hindi lang pambabastos tulad ng ginagawa mo…

  • Taiko_Kauna

    To those who adhere to a friday afternoon crucifixion and sunday dawn resurrection, can you mathematically figure out a complete 3 days & 3 nights as Jesus claimed He was in the ‘heart of the earth’ ( the grave)? His claim was: Just as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the great fish, so shall the Son of Man also, 3 days & 3 nights in the heart of the earth, Mat. 12:40. Certainly, late friday afternoon and sunday dawn can’t come up to 72 hours.

    • KapitanBagwis

       I read somewhere that the counting of days and hours at the time of the Lord is different from our calendar and time now.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

      Taiko_kauna ganito yan; On the time of Jesus they use a Jewish Calendar,  Their day start on 6pm till 6am. Jesus was dead on 3pm of friday (day one). On 6pm of friday is another day, which was day two. On the early hours of Sunday when Mary Magdalene visited the grave she found an empty tomb, day 3. Takenote that the Jewish people considers a day a whole day even if it happen on a late afternoon before 6pm.

      • khaled mariscal

        Very funny explanation. In ancient times, a day starts at sundown. Asi pues, the whole night comes first in counting the day.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/VBM5QQOMLKQS4TA5V5G73ZK42M Modeson

        Friday night, Saturday night; then where is the third night? Funny indeed!!…

  • kulittwit

    What is important is faith. 

    • pinoyjunk

      right on brother!

    • nftrading2003

      Please explain. Muslims, Jews and Hindus have faith too!

      • khaled mariscal

        Tama ka. Siguro si kulittwit ay may blind faith. He doesn’t have to explain, and he cannot explain. Can a blind man see? The word “blind” connotes “blank.”

    • UrHONOR

      RE IMPORTANT is understanding the basis/es of one’s faith.  BLIND FAITH has no value.

  • PFaurasentinel

    If only our religious devotion can also be translated into forming a Filipino nation.

    • khaled mariscal

      Meron naman “Filipino nation.” Mahirap nga lang magkaroon ng pagbabago na katulad ng Japan o South Korea. Look out for Vietnam. Unstoppable na ang economic growth and development nila. Siguro hindi relihiyon ang catalyst nila. Ano kaya…?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/VBM5QQOMLKQS4TA5V5G73ZK42M Modeson

      we are a divided nation because our own leaders are advocates of division whose main agenda is vindictiveness…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WT5ZX5O7ZBC6Z3LXFA4UIQZC3I emajega

    ang bobo ng moderator wala naman akong nasty words na ban post ko!!!

  • panhase

    - “The shrine has it all” said the 1.8-meter-tall priest –

    What is this, a religious convenience store?

    • sanjuan683

      Gawa sa bato at portland cement at Boysen paints ang materiales, gawa ng tao, tapos sasambahin ninyo ano kalokohan ba yan? Hindi na kayo natuto hanggang ngayon maraming pa rin mangmang.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/A3B5B7CAS25M3OSQSEBXPKDEIU zafirol

    Only the poor people has to go thru this things to get some kind of blessings. The rich dont even care . 

  • Banono

    @emajega:
    Blame this confusion on the majority of professing Christians who now becomes the Roman Catholic Church who in their anti-Semitism tried to wrestle everything from the Jews even the dates of biblically instituted festivals. This has been a very big issue back in the few centuries of Christianity. But this is the answer and anyone who wants to contend should do their homework first.
     
    The Passover (and following Feast of First Fruit which RCC and company now calls Easter) falls on a special Sabbath, counting 14th from the sighting of a new moon, that is, any day of the week it falls whether it becomes a special Sabbath. Thus on this occasion the special Sabbath fell on Friday, that is why the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on Thursday not on Friday as RCC and company (those who just followed RCC in their deliberate ignorance out of their hatred for the Jews) and rose early on Sunday, the day of the Feast of First Fruit (that is the day after the Sabbath in the Passover celebration.)

  • walaeh

    a million? please show us the proof or pictures or videos. Masama ang isang pari at isang pahayagan na kagaya ng inquirer na maging sinungaling pagdating sa dami the tao.

    • khaled mariscal

      Puede naman. Ang tanong, Eh ano ngayon? Ilang lang ba sa milyones na iyon ang nagbabayad ng utang o nag-iisip ng mabuti sa kapwa at sa bayan? I think “de-boto” lang mga Pinoy pagdating ng eleksiyon at ang “debosyon” ay doon lang sa dapat dumating sa ikabubuhay. Many believe because it is a part of their culture or just a respect for a mainstream religion. Millions? We have more blind followers than learned believers.

      • billy31

        and you?

    • sanjuan683

      Maraming klase pari dito sa Pilipinas, may pari takbo ng takbo na aktibista pala, may pari nagnenegosyo, may pari kunwari banal na banal pero sinungaling din pala, may pari batikos ng batikos pero palpal din, at may pari nagla-lobby para sa anti-RH. hehehehehehe

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VYH3CWIZRPRW4XHTBX7RZZNFOE THE GREAT ONE

    I contend we are all atheists.
    I just believe in one less god than you do.
    If you finally understand why you yourself dismiss other gods as false..then you would finally understand why I dismiss yours as well.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MR6DYG55ADTILVDMH7GOA6KWSU gregory

    a million,really,what does the Bible teach about a person who tell something which is not true?Starts with L……  

  • trav man

    Idolatry…. These worshipers must be the least faithful.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VBM5QQOMLKQS4TA5V5G73ZK42M Modeson

    Pitiful!!! What happened to the commandment: “Thou shalt not create an image (to be worshiped) of anything in the heavens above and the earth below…?” And you call them faithful?????

    • KapitanBagwis

       Blame the Roman Catholic church…look at all the graven images inside their churches..their priests are tolerating the people to pray in front of those images.

    • mhertz

      Do Catholics Worship Statues?
      “Catholics worship statues!” People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: “You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them” (Ex. 20:4–5); “Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold” (Ex. 32:31). It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues. Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, “God has forbidden the use of images in worship” (281). Yet if people were to “search the scriptures” (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts! God Said To Make ThemPeople who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be” (Ex. 25:18–20). David gave Solomon the plan “for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan” (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was “by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all,” included statues of angels. Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, “On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim.” The Religious Uses of ImagesDuring a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to “make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live” (Num. 21:8–9). One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations. Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then by using these “graven” images, they would be practicing the “idolatry” of which they accuse Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use of religious images. It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god (whom they named “Nehushtan”), the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4). What About Bowing?Sometimes anti-Catholics cite Deuteronomy 5:9, where God said concerning idols, “You shall not bow down to them.” Since many Catholics sometimes bow or kneel in front of statues of Jesus and the saints, anti-Catholics confuse the legitimate veneration of a sacred image with the sin of idolatry. Though bowing can be used as a posture in worship, not all bowing is worship. In Japan, people show respect by bowing in greeting (the equivalent of the Western handshake). Similarly, a person can kneel before a king without worshipping him as a god. In the same way, a Catholic who may kneel in front of a statue while praying isn’t worshipping the statue or even praying to it, any more than the Protestant who kneels with a Bible in his hands when praying is worshipping the Bible or praying to it. Hiding the Second Commandment?Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is that the Catholic Church “hides” the second commandment. This is because in Catholic catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3), and the second is listed as “You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain.” (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But this is false. Catholics simply group the commandments differently from most Protestants. In Exodus 20:2–17, which gives the Ten Commandments, there are actually fourteen imperative statements. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united—idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism—the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3) and “You shall not make for yourself a graven image” (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command. Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, “Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy,” though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8–11). When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as “You shall have no other gods before me.” This is no attempt to “hide” the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier. The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, “The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities” (CCC 2066). The Form of God?Some anti-Catholics appeal to Deuteronomy 4:15–18 in their attack on religious statues: “[S]ince you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth.” We’ve already shown that God doesn’t prohibit the making of statues or images of various creatures for religious purposes (cf. 1 Kgs. 6:29–32, 8:6–66; 2 Chr. 3:7–14). But what about statues or images that represent God? Many Protestants would say that’s wrong because Deuteronomy 4 says the Israelites did not see God under any form when he made the covenant with them, therefore we should not make symbolic representations of God either. But does Deuteronomy 4 forbid such representations? The Answer Is NoEarly in its history, Israel was forbidden to make any depictions of God because he had not revealed himself in a visible form. Given the pagan culture surrounding them, the Israelites might have been tempted to worship God in the form of an animal or some natural object (e.g., a bull or the sun). But later God did reveal himself under visible forms, such as in Daniel 7:9: “As I looked, thrones were placed and one that was Ancient of Days took his seat; his raiment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like pure wool; his throne was fiery flames, its wheels were burning fire.” Protestants make depictions of the Father under this form when they do illustrations of Old Testament prophecies. The Holy Spirit revealed himself under at least two visible forms—that of a dove, at the baptism of Jesus (Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 3:22; John 1:32), and as tongues of fire, on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4). Protestants use these images when drawing or painting these biblical episodes and when they wear Holy Spirit lapel pins or place dove emblems on their cars. But, more important, in the Incarnation of Christ his Son, God showed mankind an icon of himself. Paul said, “He is the image (Greek: ikon) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” Christ is the tangible, divine “icon” of the unseen, infinite God. We read that when the magi were “going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshipped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold, frankincense, and myrrh” (Matt. 2:11). Though God did not reveal a form for himself on Mount Horeb, he did reveal one in the house in Bethlehem. The bottom line is, when God made the New Covenant with us, he did reveal himself under a visible form in Jesus Christ. For that reason, we can make representations of God in Christ. Even Protestants use all sorts of religious images: Pictures of Jesus and other biblical persons appear on a myriad of Bibles, picture books, T-shirts, jewelry, bumper stickers, greeting cards, compact discs, and manger scenes. Christ is even symbolically represented through the Icthus or “fish emblem.” Common sense tells us that, since God has revealed himself in various images, most especially in the incarnate Jesus Christ, it’s not wrong for us to use images of these forms to deepen our knowledge and love of God. That’s why God revealed himself in these visible forms, and that’s why statues and pictures are made of them. Idolatry Condemned by the ChurchSince the days of the apostles, the Catholic Church has consistently condemned the sin of idolatry. The early Church Fathers warn against this sin, and Church councils also dealt with the issue. The Second Council of Nicaea (787), which dealt largely with the question of the religious use of images and icons, said, “[T]he one who redeemed us from the darkness of idolatrous insanity, Christ our God, when he took for his bride his holy Catholic Church . . . promised he would guard her and assured his holy disciples saying, ‘I am with you every day until the consummation of this age.’ . . . To this gracious offer some people paid no attention; being hoodwinked by the treacherous foe they abandoned the true line of reasoning . . . and they failed to distinguish the holy from the profane, asserting that the icons of our Lord and of his saints were no different from the wooden images of satanic idols.” The Catechism of the Council of Trent (1566) taught that idolatry is committed “by worshipping idols and images as God, or believing that they possess any divinity or virtue entitling them to our worship, by praying to, or reposing confidence in them” (374). “Idolatry is a perversion of man’s innate religious sense. An idolater is someone who ‘transfers his indestructible notion of God to anything other than God’” (CCC 2114). The Church absolutely recognizes and condemns the sin of idolatry. What anti-Catholics fail to recognize is the distinction between thinking a piece of stone or plaster is a god and desiring to visually remember Christ and the saints in heaven by making statues in their honor. The making and use of religious statues is a thoroughly biblical practice. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know his Bible.

      • KapitanBagwis

         You are referring to the ARK OF COVENANT OF THE LORD, not graven images like the one in Lucban or inside churches.

      • mhertz

        All of it not only the Ark of Covenant.

      • KapitanBagwis

        Surely God did not contradict Himself when He gave the commandment number 2 in Deuteronomy 5:7

      • adam_d_ant

        hey captain ..

        our politics obviously don’t jive … here wer are in one accord  …

        the “naughty” side of me still loves to irritate those that have different take re: politics ..

        blessings to you and your family …

      • KapitanBagwis

        Blessings to you and your family too Adam… ;o)

  • noonyan

    Philippines got a MILLION BLINDS  kaya inaabuso lalo na ng mga politiko

  • reddfrog

    tsk, tsk, tsk… reminds me of those old kung fu movies wherein the bida has to climb 500 flights of stairs to meet the kung fu master and learn his secrets. This is not the Christianity that Christ taught us. And this is further proof that Catholicism is FAKE Christianity.

    • KapitanBagwis

       I wish you will not make a sweeping statement about Catholics…Catholics in other countries like in the USA does not practice what the Filipino Catholics are doing. Blame the priests in the Philippines for not teaching and expounding the word of God to their followers, on the other hand they do not discourage the praying in front of graven images inside the churches.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VLO53PRSSY76BZOWLOHJDM33M jeray

    Yan kasi ang tinuro ng bibliya sa inyo ang manira ng manira ng kapwa. Ang gagaling nyo. Mag galing kayo ng isang tao ayon sa kalooban ng diyos at sya ay matutuwa sa inyo.

    • adam_d_ant

      saan ka naman nakakita sa biblia na tinuturo ang siraan ang kapwa?  napaka obvious na hindi ka man lang nakapagbasa nito ….

      pag me makita ka, i-post mo kaagad para ma prove na tama ang post mo …

  • UrHONOR

    INTERESTINGK!!!  Datirati, kapag may nasabi kang kahit na isang bagay laban kay DAMASO, pupupugin ka ng panatikong mga kabig ng mga naka-sayang puti at yong may mga suot na helmet na maraming palamuti na tila palong ng peacock.  Kaya nagdadalawang-isip bago tumipa ng kaisipan na salungat sa mga pinagbubusang maka-luma at IRRELEVANT na kaisipan ng mga naturang mga mistulang makabagong pariseos.  PERO NGAYON, ang daming nagpapalahad ng kanilang kaisipan na hindi na-aayon sa turo at kaisipan ng simbahan na naaaapakaraming sinira na buhay at kabuhayan sa bayan simula pa ng pagsalta ng mga TNL na mga KASTILANG DAMASONG malilib_g. (kaya ang daming mga mestizos at mestizas sa bansa!).  SA maiklaing pananalita, MALAKAS na ang loob at WALA ng TAKOT ang marami sa pagtuligsa ng mga kaisipang tinuturo ng mga TNL na naka-saya para sa kanilang sari-sariling kapakanan.  At yong mga ADJUNCTS na nakikinabang sa mga hokus-pokus nila ay, di nga kasi, parang mga pitbulls kung ipagtanggol ang kanilang mga POONG MAYAYAMAN na, kadalasan, ay higit pa sa kanilang ipinagtatanggol ang kanilang pinagsasabi.  ‘Ika nga, “more popish than the pope”.  GRABE ang pagka-sipsip para matawag na SANTO o SANTA na wala namang katuturan.  Buti pa si San Miguel at si Santa Klaus at napapakinabangan.

    NAKAKATUWA dahil parami-ng-parami ang unti-unting nagtatagal ng busal sa kanilang mga mata at sila ay nakakakita ng mas marami at mas malawak ngayon.  ‘Ika nga nila, “The TRUTH shall set you free”.  Harapin ang katotohanan at, tiyak yon, na matutunghayan na yong mga tinuturong mga kaisipan ng mga TNL na mga kastila noon ay pawang mga kwento lamang at pabula.  Binigyan ang tao ng kalikasan ng utak o brain o intellect…gamitin yon at hindi ang utak ng ibang tao.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2VLO53PRSSY76BZOWLOHJDM33M jeray

      tanung ko lang po anu po ba  relihiyon mo?

      • UrHONOR

        tanung ko lang po…..ano po ang trabaho ninyo? reporter ba? ang relihiyon po ay isang personal na bagay at hindi dapat pinanghihimasukan ng iba pa.

  • UrHONOR

    GRABE at TUNAY na AWESOME ang POWER ng RCCh tumabo ng PERA sa dinami-dami ng gimik nitong nalalaman para makahikayat ng mag-lilimos para sa kanilang “kaligtasan”.  (Linagay nila sa kaisipan na na sa panganib ang napapaniwala nila, tapos, may formula sila para iligtas ang linagay nila sa kaisipang na sa panganib sila.  Galing…napakagaling.  Libreng mane, tapos magbabayad ka para sa beer!)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OHOD5EA75DBBUH53UKLRXRK764 Mang Teban

    Kung papaano sinamba ang Diyos ng mga naunang tao sa mundo, hindi naman nagbabago ang mga ito dahil sa pag-ibig ng Diyos sa atin.

    Nag-alay ng hayop lalo na kung tupa ang mga Hebreo sa Israel sa Diyos na pinangalanan na Yahweh. Maraming siglo ang ganitong paraan sapagkat ang tupa o mga hayop ang pagkain na inalay sa Diyos na tanda ng kanilang sakrispiyo na ibalik sa Diyos ang bunga ng biyaya na ipinagkaloob sa tao.

    Sa kasalukuyan, ang pagbabalik sa Diyos bilang pasasalamat sa Kanya ay ang sarili sa kahit na paraan na sa palagay ng bawat isa ay nakapagdudulot sa kanya ng kapanatagan ng loob. Ang pagtatayo ng bahay-sambahan o templo o simbahan o mosque ay itinuturing na banal na lugar. Ang pagtitipon ng mga tao na nagpapahayag ng pasasalamat, pagpuri, paghingi ng tawad o maging pagbubukas ng sarili sa Diyos na Tagapagtanggol at Tagapagkalinga at Dakilang Nagbibigay ng Kanyang sarili ay mula pa sa sinaunang natural na reaksyon ng mga taong may takot sa Diyos – ang takot na kapag wala ang Diyos, walang magagawa ang tao.

    Kaya ganito ang dahilan kung bakit magpahanggang ngayon may mga nagbibigay-puri sa Diyos sa kani-kaniyang paraan. Bakit naman mamasamain ng ibang tao na hindi sang-ayon dito kung wala naman ginagawang masama ang mga gumagawa nito sa kanila?

    Kung Moises (Moses) humingi ng saklolo kay Yahweh sa mga ahas na kumalat at naging sanhi ng magkamatay ng napakaraming tao, ganoon na lamang ang sagot ni Yahweh na UMUKIT ng tungkod na gawa sa bronze sa HUGIS NG AHAS para kung sino ang makakita nito o mahipo ito ay mabubuhay muli o hindi mamamatay. Lahat ng taong natuklaw ng mga ahas at tumingala sa ginawa ni Moises ay gumaling.

    Ang pagpapatayo ng malaking Arko ni Noe (Noah) na inutos ng Diyos ay gawa sa kahoy at nailigtas ang pamilya ni Noe sa kapamahakan ng malawakang baha na nagdulot ng kamatayan sa mga nagkulang sa pananampalataya sa Diyos. Tanong- Nilabag ba ng Diyos ang kaniyang sarili na utusan si Moises at si Noe na gumawa ng simbolo ng kapangyarihan Niya sa inukit na tungkod na may larawan ng ahas at ng barko o arko na nakaliligtas?

    Hindi ang tungkod o arko at sinasamba kungdi ang nasa likod ng mga ito – ang pag-alala sa Diyos na may Kapangyarihan. Tulad ng mga simbolo na ginagawa ng mga pananampalataya sa Simbahang Katoliko, sila ay may sariling paraan. Kung ang iba ay hindi sang-ayon dito, hindi ba dapat gawin na lang ninyo ang sa inyo at huwag nang paghimasukan ang paniwala ng iba?
    Binabandera pa ang kakulangan ng pag-unawa sa Salita ng Diyos ng mga umuusig sa mga Katoliko samantalang napakaliwanag naman sa kasaysayan ng tao mula kay Abraham ang mga paraan ng iba’t ibang sibilisasyon ng dumaang siglo na nagpapatunay na bagama’t iba’t-iba ang paraan iisa lang ang pinatutungunan ng mga ito – ang pagmamahal at pagsunod sa utos ng Diyos. Batid ng Diyos ang mga taong nasa sa Kanya at ang mga taong hindi sa Kanya.

     

  • UrHONOR

    ANG ideya ng diyos ay pawang kaisipan lamang ng TAO.  Maraming uri ng diyos ang nabubuhay sa kaisipan, diwa’t damdamin ng maraming uri ng tao.  Ang tinatawag na KALIKASAN o NATURE ay ang tinuring at tinuturing na diyos ng marami.  Mayroong nagsasabi na ang diyos nila ay ang agila.  Mayroong ding naniniwala na ang diyos nila ay ang buffalo. Meron ding iba na ang diyos nila ay uri ng puno (hindi si dong o si ronnie o si rey). Ngunit dahil sa tinatawag na commercialism at media activities, higit na marami ang nagsasabi na ang diyos ay tulad din ng tao at may katawan at na sa isang magarang upisina sa itaas ng alapaap at nagmamasid ng lahat ng galaw at gawain ng bawat isa.  May tumatawag sa diyos nila ng Muhammad, Allah, Buddha, Brahman, Krisna, Yahwey, atbp.  Nang panahon ng mga Greco at Romano, meron silang mga iba’t ibang uri ng Diyos: Zeus, Athena, Apollo, Aphrodite, Jupiter, Mars, Minerva, Diana at napakarami pang iba.

    Samakatuwid, WALANG i-isang kaisipan tungkol sa ideya ng diyos.  Kung sino ang may pinaka-magaling at pina-mahusay na PR, yon ang kikilalaning lamang sa iba.  Mas diyos kaysa ibang diyos.  Ang lahat na yan ay na sa kaisipan lamang ng tao.  KUNG ano ang paniwala niya at doon siya nakakaranas ng kapayapaan sas buhay, yon ang dapat nyang sundin at hindi kung anupaman na benebenta ng kung sino-sinong mga sugo ng diyos (kuno).  WALA at HINDI dapat pinaglalandakan ang paniniwala ng isa sa iba pa.  Ang paniniwala ni Tonyo sa kanyang diyos ay PERSONAL at hindi dapat sinasaklaw ni Tebats ayon sa kanyang kaisipan.  Lahat ng tao ay may sapat na kaisipan at hindi siya dapat na pinagsasabihan kung ano ang dapat paniwalaan o hindi.

    Ang kaisipang ang diyos ay ganito o ganun at ang gusto ng diyos ay yan ay yon ay LAHAT PAWANG SAPANTAHA o SPECULATIONS lamang.  PWERA lang kung talagang nakausap ng harap-harapan ang kung sinuman ng diyos at binulungan siya ng kung ano-ano.  At kahit na sa ganung pagkakataon, UNLESS mapapatunayan na TALAGANG nangyari yong pakikipag-usap, ang lahat ay hearsay lamang.  Si Joseph Smith, Felix Manalo, Jim Jones, at marami pang mga charlatan na nagsabi na nagpakita daw sa kanila ang diyos o anghel ng diyos at kinausap sila.  

    Unang-una, KUNG GUSTO ng diyos (yong diyos na tinutukoy ng karamihan na almighty, onniscient, omnipresent, at taglay ang lahat ng iba pang hindi-pangkaraniwang katangian) na kausapin ang kanyang linalang, BAKIT kailangan pa siyang gumamit ng ahente o tagahatid ng kanyang sasabihin….wala ba siyang kapangyarihan na pagsabihan ang lahat all at the same time?  Bakit siya mamimili at paano siya mamimili ng kung sinuman ang kanyang pagsasabihan para i-report sa iba pa ang kanyng mensahe?  Pangalawa, hindi na kailangan pa ng diyos ang pagsabihan ang kung sinupaman kung ano ang gusto nyang gawin.  Alam na nya ang lahat at hindi nya kinakailangan pa ang Executive Assistants o VPs para ma-isagawa ang kung anupaman ang gusto niya.  Pangatlo, pawang mga historia de un amor lamang ang mga kinalat at kinakalat na mga kwento ng kung ano-anong uri ng religious organization o churches para sa kapakanan ng kanilang hierarchy, its preservation.

    Kung kaya, madaling mapagmasdan na ang bawat samahan ng simbahan ay may kanya-kanyang mga kwneto tungkol sa kanilang pinaniniwalaang samahan.  Sa INC lamang, ilang ulit na akong sinabihan ng isang Iglesia na sa simbahan lamang maligtas ang tao sa impierno.  “Kung wala ka sa loob ng Iglesia namin, hindi ka maliligtas”, sabi sa akin.  Ganun din ang sinasabi ng mga taga RCCh…..”outside the RCCh, your soul can not be saved form eternal damnation”.  PUTRES, sabi ko, SAAN ba ako ILILIGTAS?  Saang panganib ba ako ilinagay ng mga TNL na mga ito at ako ay kailangang maligtas?  Again, nasa  kaisipan lamang nila ang lahat ng yan….pananakot para makahakot (ng kolek$iyon).

    WALANG KASO ang paniniwala sa kahit na sino o ano. ANG MAHALAGA ay yong BATAYAN o BASE ng pinaniniwalaan.  Gamitin ang intellect para salisikin ang katotohanan ng pinaniniwalaan at hindi ang puos’t damdamin.  Alam kong hindi madali ang lumihis sa kinalakhang paniniwala na isinubo sa atin sapul pa lang sa ating pagka-sanggol.  Ngunit sa aitng pagtanda at paghasa ng ating kaisipan, dapat na paglinay-linayin ang mga nakaraan at timbangin ang napapaloob na katotohanan at pabula.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VFPFOEUIFDLDNLIN3U5SN52A5A Gelai

    The Priests will need all their strength and tears in reflecting all the evil deeds of the Catholic Church – cover up of cases involving molested young boys and girls from the 4 corners of the Planet.

    Think again of the Inquisition, the limbo that is non-existent and others.

    Dr. Jose Rizal was murdered, when the Spanish Governor-general who was also the incumbent Archbishop of Manila, ordered it.

  • UrHONOR

    BAKIT na kapag ang pinag-uusapan ay may kinalaman sa kabutihan sa kapwa BIBLE kaagad ang ginagamit na batayan at puro “AYON sa DIYOS”, o “GUSTO ng DIYOS” ang malilit na binabanggit?  Hindi ba maaaring makipagpalitan ng kuro-kuro na hindi kasali ang bible?  WALA akong problema sa bible…..nabasa ko yan ng ilang ulit na cover-t-cover.  Nangangasiwa lamang ako kapag ang isang kaisipan ay parating tinatali sa bible at ginagamit kaagad ang diyos na source of authority in a discussion.

    You can not use as an argument that which you have to PROVE TRUE first.  Parating ipinagpapalagay ng bible-quoters na ang lahat ay naniniwalang tulad nila na ang bible ay salita ng diyos. Ang bible ay unang sinulat ng mga manunulat noong mga 1200 BC (OT) AYON sa mga narinig nilang kwento at karanasan ng ibang tao.  Ang bible noon ay sinulat sa papyrus o animal hides.  Sa katagalan ang mga sinulat sa mga materiales na ito ay kumapas na dahil sa humidity at sa character ng papyrus at hides.  At dahil na din sa paulit-ulit na paggamit ng mga kasulatang bible na yon, kumupas at naluma at nasira ng lahat.  WALA…WALANG ORIG na bible ang natagpuan simula pa noon.  Ang mga kopya ay ginawa makatapos ang ilan pang siglo bago pinanganak si JC.  So, mga kopya na lang ang nababasa noon na sinulat at sinalin ng kung sino-sino sa kung ano-anong wika o translations. (hindi lahat ng kopya ay nagkakatugma-tugma). Nang panahon ni JC, ang bible na kumakalat ay lahat kopya na lang.  Matapos ang buhay ni JC, may mga sumulat ng NT bible…ang pinaka-maaga kung hindi ako nagkakamali ay 50 years matapos namatay si JC (ayon sa kwento na din). Ang NT testament ay kinopya at sinulat ng 4 na manunulat (kuno) hango sa original sources ng mga kwento tungkol kay JC.  Yong 3 lamang ang na-promote ng RCCh dahil yon lang ang naging popularly available at the time at madaling intindihin.  Gayunpaman, sa 4 na gospels na yon, mayroong mga kwneto at detalyang hindi din nagkakatugma-tugma. Kaya, 4 na gospels ang lumulutang sa NT na sinulat ng 4 na magkaka-ibang tao. Ngunit ayon sa napag-alamanan kalaunan, mahigit sa 20 pa ang gospels na nasulat ng mga iba’t ibang naniniwala kay JC, tulad ng gospels according to Mary, Judas,Peter, Matthias, Bartholomew, etc.

    SAMAKATUWID, puro mga pasali-saling mga kwento ang mga napapaloob sa bible. KWENTONG magaganda at mapagpupulutan ng maraming ginintuang aral sa buhay…kwentong walang kupas…..kwentong hinugot ng maraming-marami pang ibang kwento na isina-libro at isina-pelikula. Ang bible, ‘ika nga, ay “the greatest book written”…at idudugtong ko, “and the greatest book that will ever be written”.  Wala ng gaganda pang aklat kaysa bible.  Maganda ang mga sinulat ni Shakepeare na may pagkakahawig sa mga aral sa bible (kung susuriing mabuti), ngunit, walang tatalo na iba pang libro sa bible.  PERO, ang BIBLE IS NOT THE WORD OF GOD….at hindi dapat na ginagamit upang pagkakitaan ang ideya ng god ng mga iba’t ibang uri na mga religions.      

    • jin2012

      UrHonor – 2000 prohecies have come true over 6000 years of biblical history.  No man is capable of that. You may have read the bible, but you did not understand the words found within.  Consider this:

      Proof of God is in prophecy:

      The Book of Isaiah – the OLDEST copy mankind has is dated 300-120 years before Christ was born.

      Here are some of those prophecies:

      “Isaiah 9:6-7 (Born as a human male)
      Isaiah 7:14 (Born of a virgin)
      Isaiah 37:31 (from the House of Judah)
      Isaiah 11:1-5,10 (From the root and stump of Jesse)
      Isaiah 16:5 (from the House of David)
      Isaiah 9:1-2 (from Nazareth of Galilee)
      Isaiah 49:6, 42:1-6 (mission to include the Gentiles)
      Isaiah 29:18, 35:5-6 (ministry to include miraculous healings)
      Isaiah 61:1-2 (ministry would deliver spiritual captives)
      Isaiah 53:3 (despised and rejected by men)
      Isaiah 49:7 (hated without cause)”

      What are the odds of ALL those becoming true in one man at the right time and place when Isaiah was written way before Christ was born?

      Those were written down at least 300 years before Jesus was born. That’s why some of the Jews knew he was coming – because of prophecy.

  • pepeandres

    fanatcism and occultism at its best.

  • Petrus_Romanus

    Brother in Christ, Joey Faller, please refer to what God has already said to us.

    Isaiah 42:8″
    I am the LORD יהוה‎ , that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to graven images.”

    Exodus 20
    1 And God spoke all these words:
    2 “I am the LORD יהוה your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
    3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
    4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD יהוה your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments….

    And listen to the words Jesus said to us concerning the Law:

    Matthew 5
     17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.



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